The number is $17.898 million

[Orionorl]

Okay. 40 years ago we won 10 games while on probation. What was I thinking about? BTW Curci was 47-51-2 for his career.

You said you couldn't remember a winning UK team. I said I could, and did. Now 'you mad'? And you ignore the Florida team not winning a game...hmmm. Gator much?

Happy about the time I spent at UK after the service. Our teams won, girls were smoking and my bong was too! Sorry your memories weren't better. Let's get Bearfart and his Culture of Losing outta there!

 

[WildCard]

The UKAA has or has access to the money. Don't let anybody tell you differently. But the questions are: "Is it really worth it and, more importantly, where do we go from here"?

I'm afraid MB has to let this one play out for another year and hope for the best.

Peace

 

[CatsCats78]

One thing that's lost in all of this imo is why there was even a buyout included in the new deal at all. The pay raise (after only two seasons) was a good enough sign of faith. A buyout really isn't necessary for this job at the moment if you think about it. If you want to give someone a pay raise to keep them, so be it. But if MB was really that worried about someone taking Stoops, did he really think 12 mil would stop a big time program from taking him? It honestly wouldn't even give them pause. Instead it's backed this program in a corner. But, hey he won 5 games, we better lock him up for eternity.

 

[Big John Stud]

Sheep, SMH.

 

[RackOps]

One thing that's lost in all of this imo is why there was even a buyout included in the new deal at all. The pay raise (after only two seasons) was a good enough sign of faith. A buyout really isn't necessary for this job at the moment if you think about it. If you want to give someone a pay raise to keep them, so be it. But if MB was really that worried about someone taking Stoops, did he really think 12 mil would stop a big time program from taking him? It honestly wouldn't even give them pause. Instead it's backed this program in a corner. But, hey he won 5 games, we better lock him up for eternity.

The buyout didn't apply to Stoops's side.

He could take a job tomorrow and walk away not owning the school a dime.

The school, on the other hand, owes him money whether he goes 12-0 or 0-12. It's one of the worst contracts I have ever heard of. Even the big Stoops supporters on here (and I was one) were pointing that out when contract was announced.

 

[Beatle Bum]

It was good to see Mark Story be honest about how most people perceived the contract extension at the time (I know UL fans bashed UK, but most thought it was a smart move to lock in the coach). Mitch and Stoops live in a world of arm chair QBs. They know they will get added heat when things go wrong. It is part of the job for which they are paid well.

 

[fuzz77]

Concessions money is pennies...UK gets literally virtually nothing in concessions money. Most concessions money goes to the organizations that work the concessions stands.

 

[fuzz77]

I do. When I was at UK we also dominated in football. Of course, the NCAA didn't like it, and because we were on probation, we didn't get to play a bowl game, and we ended up 6th anyway. Many forget that great Florida season in 1979, WHEN THEY DID NOT WIN A SINGLE GAME. You youngsters think this mess had gone on forever. It has not, and it doesn't have to go on forever. You cannot win unless an AD makes good hires AND fires. The biggest tool an AD has is the ability to terminate. You can't motivate if there is no threat of losing the job. Barnfart has given that away. He made himself as useless as tits on a bull. .

Dude, picking out one year doesn't tell us much. After winning 10 games in 77 the next 4 years were 4, 5, 3 and 3 wins...and we were only playing 6 conference games. Brooks won 5 more games his last 4 years than did Curci did so in his last 5 seasons.

 

[UKGrad93]

Who the F*** authorized Barhart to give away so much money? That head should roll as well.

Get rid of Barny.
Keep Stoops.
Get a new Director of Football Operations (new coach).
Make Stoops work as a bathroom attendant for all home games (no tips allowed).
Make Stoops cleanout the port-o-johns before and after the game.

In other words, you get your money Stoops, but you are an indentured servant of Big Blue Nation. If he quits, he can take his dignity and walk away with no money.

 

[TBCat]

That's a good thought. Some (most?) incoming head coaches wouldn't stand for it, but some who would ... at least for a guy like Marrow (who would probably get hired away immediately anyway).

The majority of that money is likely tied up in Gran, Morrow and Hinshaw. I wouldn't make it mandatory for an incoming coach to hire them but it would be a good idea. Most coaches I know of would hire Morrow in a heartbeat. Harbaugh tried to.

 

[BIGBLUEQ]

Plus you get the people that like where they sit and like the people around them. They will renew their tickets no matter what. Concessions is what gets hurt and I'm not sure what UK gets from them.

The thing about concessions getting hurt is that those aren't UK employees running the concession stands. Most of the concessions are being manned by non-profits and youth sports leagues, church youth groups, etc. that get a % of the take from that concession stand for working them during the games.

 

[Orionorl]

Dude, picking out one year doesn't tell us much. After winning 10 games in 77 the next 4 years were 4, 5, 3 and 3 wins...and we were only playing 6 conference games. Brooks won 5 more games his last 4 years than did Curci did so in his last 5 seasons.

Reading issues, also, I guess. I remember a winning program at UK. He said he didn't. I left school in May of 78. What is your issue? That I should remove those memories because you are an angry bird?. Naw.

Do the math. I am 66 years old. Not your 'dude'. More like your grandfather, only I'd be out looking for a switch about now.

 

[Your worst nightmare]

That's......pretty much.....chickenfeed. UK pretty much has unlimited funds. I know to a working class fan that seems like a huge number but to the high roller boosters (and ESPN) behind UK athletics that's really not much.

I think Mitch will look at the program at the end of the season and make a decision one way or the other. The "huge buyout" won't even be a grain of sand on the scales as to if a change is made or not. Fans should not even talk about it, its just not a factor at all.

 

[zcats]

I believe Mitch is incapable of hiring a better coach. This messing going anywhere

 

[DACats86]

That's......pretty much.....chickenfeed. UK pretty much has unlimited funds. I know to a working class fan that seems like a huge number but to the high roller boosters (and ESPN) behind UK athletics that's really not much.

I think Mitch will look at the program at the end of the season and make a decision one way or the other. The "huge buyout" won't even be a grain of sand on the scales as to if a change is made or not. Fans should not even talk about it, its just not a factor at all.

You're delusional.

 

[Ugoff]

If I had to choose between Stoops and Barnhart, I'd say keep stoops and cut Barnhart. MB has had his chances and look at the results. Bring in a new AD, with a fresh culture who respects the fans, and let Stoops have another year or two. It's silly to keep letting the same guy repeat his mistakes. Only caveat is that someone is going to look pretty bad firing MB after just extending his contract.

I would seriously consider getting my tickets back if they chose this path.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Barnhart is going no where. He is signed until 2022.

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article88620362.html

Just food for thought: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article47216100.html

 

[Big John Stud]

From what I could find online, getting rid of Stoops this year would be the 2nd largest buyout in college football. Charlie Weiss alone got $18 million from Notre Dame, not sure about his assistants. Even at a $12 million just for Stoops, it's still the 2nd largest. It just won't happen, UK is stuck with Stoops for at least another year. Any coaching wants for this year, is just internet fodder.

4% of the yearly budget but it just wont happen. Lol, OK.

 

[BlueBallz_rivals30790]

4% of the yearly budget but it just wont happen. Lol, OK.

It's not that they can't pay it, Mitch won't pay it.

 

[Big John Stud]

It's not that they can't pay it, Mitch won't pay it.

And you know this how? Because of the whole 2 3/4 years Joker got or the whole 2 years that Giilispie got? What is your reasoning for saying he won't pay it?

 

[Woodrow24]

In most professions if you cost your company or business over 17 million dollars your getting fired. I think that warrants being replaced but it's not my decision. I've seen some posters question our fan base on their football intelligence over what has taken place so far this season. Mind boggling that those same people want to defend the product we have seen so far this season by attacking other fans.

 

[Gene1864]

In most professions if you cost your company or business over 17 million dollars your getting fired. I think that warrants being replaced but it's not my decision. I've seen some posters question our fan base on their football intelligence over what has taken place so far this season. Mind boggling that those same people want to defend the product we have seen so far this season by attacking other fans.

Most of these people have disappeared...for now. These are some of the same guys who have been posting on these boards for a decade and a half. They always question others football IQ or refer to them as "baskybawl" fans to belittle them.

The jokes actually been on those guys for a long, long time.

 

[Woodrow24]

Most of these people have disappeared...for now. These are some of the same guys who have been posting on these boards for a decade and a half. They always question others football IQ or refer to them as "baskybawl" fans to belittle them.

The jokes actually been on those guys for a long, long time.

Its interesting to see how some of those guys respond to others. They wanna belittle fellow posters when their is nothing in my eyes that can make up for what we have seen at the end of last season and in the current one. You're right the joke is on them for sure when they make themselves look like complete idiots when they grasp at straws like they have been.

 

[Orionorl]

Its interesting to see how some of those guys respond to others. They wanna belittle fellow posters when their is nothing in my eyes that can make up for what we have seen at the end of last season and in the current one. You're right the joke is on them for sure when they make themselves look like complete idiots when they grasp at straws like they have been.

Like football is limited to people with a high IQ....Not like they are playing tackle chess.

 

[Woodrow24]

Like football is limited to people with a high IQ....Not like they are playing tackle chess.

It would be different if we had seen some good football recently. Commentators are bashing the program after the games. Statistically we are ranked terribly. Any website ranking coaches on the hot seat has stoops ranked very highly on the lists. Barnhart gave Stoops an unwarranted contract extension. So many negatives out there. Then you have people questioning our fan base for being negative when they have every right to be. Some of the "sunshine pumpers" are over looking facts. How good does it help the program when a commentator says " Kentucky is the biggest junior college in the state"? That was said because everyone sees we have been terrible all across the board except for some of the stoops troops roaming this board.

 

[dgtatu01]

You said you couldn't remember a winning UK team. I said I could, and did. Now 'you mad'? And you ignore the Florida team not winning a game...hmmm. Gator much?

Happy about the time I spent at UK after the service. Our teams won, girls were smoking and my bong was too! Sorry your memories weren't better. Let's get Bearfart and his Culture of Losing outta there!

What's the net though? If we have to pay all those guys $7 or $8 million next year then the real cost this year is $9-$10 million not $17-$18. Stoops still gets $6 million if we fire him in 2017 so his net cost this year is really $6 million.

What I'm saying is it makes more sense to wait if the $17 million becomes 0 next year, but it doesn't. All those coaches are under contract through 2018 & 2019. Stoops is in line for at least $6 million next year so the number at the end of next year is $6 million plus whatever we still owe all the assistants.

The real question is do we want to pay 2 staffs for 2 whole years (2017 & 2018) or 1 whole year (2018)?

 

[bratboy]

Plus you get the people that like where they sit and like the people around them. They will renew their tickets no matter what. Concessions is what gets hurt and I'm not sure what UK gets from them.

No we won't!
I don't care how much you love the people around you, if your a true fan of football the pain and frustration of the product on the field is unbearable!

 

[Big John Stud]

What's the net though? If we have to pay all those guys $7 or $8 million next year then the real cost this year is $9-$10 million not $17-$18. Stoops still gets $6 million if we fire him in 2017 so his net cost this year is really $6 million.

What I'm saying is it makes more sense to wait if the $17 million becomes 0 next year, but it doesn't. All those coaches are under contract through 2018 & 2019. Stoops is in line for at least $6 million next year so the number at the end of next year is $6 million plus whatever we still owe all the assistants.

The real question is do we want to pay 2 staffs for 2 whole years (2017 & 2018) or 1 whole year (2018)?

You do realize almost all of them would get other jobs and UK wouldn't pay anything near 7 or 8 million?

 

[irishcat1965]

It was good to see Mark Story be honest about how most people perceived the contract extension at the time (I know UL fans bashed UK, but most thought it was a smart move to lock in the coach). Mitch and Stoops live in a world of arm chair QBs. They know they will get added heat when things go wrong. It is part of the job for which they are paid well.

Thanks for the input Mrs. Barnhart.

 

[Deeeefense]

Does anyone know if Mitch unilaterally had the authority to sign this extension or did it require approval form the Board of Trustees, and/or the President? IMO it would be a huge mistake to give an AD that kind of signature authority so if others signed off on this, there's some blame to be spread around.

 

[WildCard]

Does anyone know if Mitch unilaterally had the authority to sign this extension or did it require approval form the Board of Trustees, and/or the President? IMO it would be a huge mistake to give an AD that kind of signature authority so if others signed off on this, there's some blame to be spread around.

Wasn't the contract extension signed before the old UKAA Board was dissolved and subsequently replaced by a University BOT Subcommittee?

Peace

 

[BlueBallz_rivals30790]

And you know this how? Because of the whole 2 3/4 years Joker got or the whole 2 years that Giilispie got? What is your reasoning for saying he won't pay it?

Apparently you have more faith in Barnhart than I do.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Thanks for the input Mrs. Barnhart.

You're welcome Mrs. Petrino

 

[Deeeefense]

Wasn't the contract extension signed before the old UKAA Board was dissolved and subsequently replaced by a University BOT Subcommittee?

Peace

I don't know the answer to that but I would like to know if he made this $12M decision unilaterally or if there was some internal accountability, and an approval process that took place first. If the former I'm shocked, not because it's Mitch, but because no AD should have that kind of signature authority.

 

[Xception]

Strange contradiction that we would have kept Petrino here by a big buyout but it's no problem for UK to pay a big buyout to Stoops . Meaning any school could have bought Petrino away , destroying any argument about his job hopping or it would put a strain on UK .

 

[mdlUK.1]

In most professions if you cost your company or business over 17 million dollars your getting fired. I think that warrants being replaced but it's not my decision. I've seen some posters question our fan base on their football intelligence over what has taken place so far this season. Mind boggling that those same people want to defend the product we have seen so far this season by attacking other fans.

Wells Fargo CEO begs to differ.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/13/investing/wells-fargo-ceo-not-resigning/index.html

 

[WildCard]

I don't know the answer to that but I would like to know if he made this $12M decision unilaterally or if there was some internal accountability, and an approval process that took place first. If the former I'm shocked, not because it's Mitch, but because no AD should have that kind of signature authority.

I bring up the timing because the old UKAA Board was essentially a rubber stamp of whatever the AD put in front of them. I THINK ??? there was a hiring "approval" process but, as I said, a rubber stamp process.

With "athletic oversight" now conducted by a school BoT sub-committee I think that ridiculous contract buyout clause for a coach on training wheels might have been "challenged" if they had a say. But maybe not, OTOH, the University is getting a big hunk of the SECN windfall so maybe they don't really care.

The only thing I know is Stoops' agent was the smartest guy in the room. [winking]

Peace