The Rise And Fall Of Subway

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Pretty simple. Their product never kept up with the times. Similar chains were offering better quality meats/ingredients. Similar chains were offering better hot/cold offerings. Bread makes the sandwich and their roll is by far the worst.
 
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The struggles of subway and McDonald's are actually a good thing imo. People are getting smarter about what they eat. It's forcing alot of fast food to adjust, or fail.

About two years ago iirc subway made a pledge to start using only real meat by year 2025 or something crazy. Of course, that's their way of trying to do damage control and hope everyone forgets about it in a few years.
 
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The struggles of subway and McDonald's are actually a good thing imo. People are getting smarter about what they eat. It's forcing alot of fast food to adjust, or fail.

About two years ago iirc subway made a pledge to start using only real meat by year 2025 or something crazy. Of course, that's their way of trying to do damage control and hope everyone forgets about it in a few years.

Subway is already significantly healthier than McDonalds.
 
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I agree. Which says more about McDonalds than subway.

If people do research into what we were eating all those years, it's shocking and explains alot about our general poor health.

Meh... I'm sort of on the fence on that stuff. I kinda think the quantities we eat are more pressing of a concern than the quality. And I say that as a guy with an overeating problem. I work out hard (both cardio and weights) and consistently have for years (e.g., ran 7.25 miles yesterday), but there is 20 lbs I need to lose that's 100% caused by over-eating. And most of that is over-eating healthy stuff.
 

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Meh... I'm sort of on the fence on that stuff. I kinda think the quantities we eat are more pressing of a concern than the quality. And I say that as a guy with an overeating problem. I work out hard (both cardio and weights) and consistently have for years (e.g., ran 7.25 miles yesterday), but there is 20 lbs I need to lose that's 100% caused by over-eating. And most of that is over-eating healthy stuff.
Cardio makes me eat like a starving horse... so much so, it's actually counter-productive for weight loss for me, but I have ti have the cardio, so it's a constant battle. There's a McDonalds on my way home from the gym, right-hand side of the road, so easy to duck in and out of there. It usually wins at least once/week.

It's a damned crime that a tiny little breakfast burrito is nearly 300 calories...

Oh, the point of this was to mention Cheddar's. We got a gift card for Christmas and used it a few weeks back. My goodness, reading that menu was staggering. The caloric values were nothing short of laughable.
 
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Good lord. Penn State restaurant style. smh

It’s weird. Zero people would’ve put blame on subway if they fired him after they initially knew. There was no way they would’ve know, but once they became aware and tried to hide it...it disgusts me to even see one of their restaurants.
 

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It’s weird. Zero people would’ve put blame on subway if they fired him after they initially knew. There was no way they would’ve know, but once they became aware and tried to hide it...it disgusts me to even see one of their restaurants.
Yep. That initial clip didn’t even discuss it. Surprised totally at this
 

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My kids would rather eat at Subway than any other restaurant. And compared to other sub shops it’s not even close. I don’t get it.

How old are they?

I remember having a plain, dull palate until about 25. There were times in my youth I passed up big thick homemade burgers for McDonalds and turned down steak for a Subway meatball. WTF was I thinking?

To the topic, Subway is the McDonalds of subs. Most well known, possibly the cheapest, but hardly worth eating.
 

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Saw the other day that a Subway franchise averages $400k in revenue. By the time you pay royalties, employees, payroll taxes, supplies, etc., I don't see any way that an owner could clear more than about $30-40k in a Subway franchise (average profits for fast food is about 6%). IIRC, they also require owners to work in the store. While I might be interested, one day, in some franchises, a Subway would pretty close to last on the list. Not a fan of McD's, but average revenue per store is about $2.7 million, IIRC, with profits ~ $150k/store.
 
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Meh... I'm sort of on the fence on that stuff. I kinda think the quantities we eat are more pressing of a concern than the quality. And I say that as a guy with an overeating problem. I work out hard (both cardio and weights) and consistently have for years (e.g., ran 7.25 miles yesterday), but there is 20 lbs I need to lose that's 100% caused by over-eating. And most of that is over-eating healthy stuff.

I am the same. At least now we have the information available to know what's going in our bodies. So even if we make a bad choice, we do so knowingly.

For a long time these companies hid how bad their food was.
 
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Saw the other day that a Subway franchise averages $400k in revenue. By the time you pay royalties, employees, payroll taxes, supplies, etc., I don't see any way that an owner could clear more than about $30-40k in a Subway franchise (average profits for fast food is about 6%). IIRC, they also require owners to work in the store. While I might be interested, one day, in some franchises, a Subway would pretty close to last on the list. Not a fan of McD's, but average revenue per store is about $2.7 million, IIRC, with profits ~ $150k/store.
Read somewhere once that the goal of Subway was to sell franchises - not sandwiches. That sounds about right.
 

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I don't see any way that an owner could clear more than about $30-40k in a Subway franchise (average profits for fast food is about 6%). IIRC, they also require owners to work in the store


I know someone who owns 3-4 Subways in small towns in western Kentucky...I can guarantee you he hasn't worked one minute in any of the stores.

I can't speak for every store but I do know as of 4 or 5 years ago...one of his Subways was making him 6 figures every year...every situation is different obviously, the towns where he owns them...they don't have competition from other sub places and they are the only quick option that is 'healthy'. He has one that is right off an exit from the parkway which does really well.
 
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I know someone who owns 3-4 Subways in small towns in western Kentucky...I can guarantee you he hasn't worked one minute in any of the stores.

I can't speak for every store but I do know as of 4 or 5 years ago...one of his Subways was making him 6 figures every year...every situation is different obviously, the towns where he owns them...they don't have competition from other sub places and they are the only quick option that is 'healthy'. He has one that is right off an exit from the parkway which does really well.

Location, location, location. Good for him. He must have stores that average >> $400k national average. Wonder if he's still seeing the same revenue he was 4-5 years ago. Lots of better competition, imo, now than even that short time ago.
 

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Wonder if he's still seeing the same revenue he was 4-5 years ago.

Not sure about currently...my info is from a few years back...the reason I know he never worked in any of them...is that guy owns or has his hands in so many different businesses there would be no way he had time. Plus he has his profession.

But....Subways, apartment complexes, I think at one time a few Papa John's and so on...filthy rich so I guess it is worth it...I'm assuming he has business partners in some of these business ventures but I could be wrong.
 

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Not sure about currently...my info is from a few years back...the reason I know he never worked in any of them...is that guy owns or has his hands in so many different businesses there would be no way he had time. Plus he has his profession.

But....Subways, apartment complexes, I think at one time a few Papa John's and so on...filthy rich so I guess it is worth it...I'm assuming he has business partners in some of these business ventures but I could be wrong.
An acquaintance of mine here in Louisville had a masonry business.....he opened a couple of Subway franchises and then a couple more and then some pizza outlets....he turned his masonry business over to his family.........he never worked a minute in any of those franchises....
 
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Meatball Marinara subs have gone in a downward spiral fast within the last 5 years and it is getting progressively worse that I have now stopped ordering them. They were my favorite and could eat them all of the time. My Grandmother in her final years in the 90's when she could not get around anymore would love for us to bring her one when we came to visit.

Anymore, the taste is just indescribable. The meatball is like it's still frozen on the inside but burned to a crisp on the outside, really salty like. Doesn't matter where they're made it seems as I've tried them from various locations in different states. I believe it has a lot to do with the effort that goes into prepping them.

You may still be fortunate enough every now and then to get a decently prepared one in the smaller towns with less competition having to cook new ones more often than sitting in a pan for hours with locations on every corner.

Other issues with Subway are definitely the cleanliness. Can't count how many times I've walked out of franchises with flies blowing all over the food. Definitely not an issue exclusive to Subway in that regard.
 

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Blimpie Subs used to be here in Kentucky and would get the meatball sub catered to school for lunch in the 90's. Always loved lunch that day. That would never happen these days, even if Blimpie was still in business here. Subway is all over the place in military bases including one in a hospital I was at. They'd bring in 6 inch subs with the basic selections to choose from for lunch at MEPS since you're they're all day and then ship your *** off shortly there after.
 

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Subway was great when they first were introduced. The quality has declined every year since then to the point that the food is some of the lowest quality crap you can find. Winning the race to the bottom.
 

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Meh... I'm sort of on the fence on that stuff. I kinda think the quantities we eat are more pressing of a concern than the quality. And I say that as a guy with an overeating problem. I work out hard (both cardio and weights) and consistently have for years (e.g., ran 7.25 miles yesterday), but there is 20 lbs I need to lose that's 100% caused by over-eating. And most of that is over-eating healthy stuff.
This is spot on: it's all about portion control.

If you do any overseas travel you'll immediately notice the much smaller portions... like half of an American meal.
 
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This is spot on: it's all about portion control.

If you do any overseas travel you'll immediately notice the much smaller portions... like half of an American meal.

You ever been to the Netherlands? Portions are the same plus they add French Fries to every meal. Then again, they're all 6'5 and they walk/bike everywhere.
 

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Eating right is 85% of being in shape. Maintain a calorie deficit and you will lose weight, guaranteed. The easiest way to do that is to eat less, or eat food with less calories. Avoid sugar like the plague.
 

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Eating right is 85% of being in shape. Maintain a calorie deficit and you will lose weight, guaranteed. The easiest way to do that is to eat less, or eat food with less calories. Avoid sugar like the plague.


Lose weight in the kitchen, get fit in the gym.

Most Americans don’t need anywhere near the 2,000 calories the USDA sets as a guideline and could get by on far less than that when trying to lose weight. Just a bunch of fatties sitting in desk chairs all day then home to the couch to watch reality tv.
 

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Lose weight in the kitchen, get fit in the gym.

Most Americans don’t need anywhere near the 2,000 calories the USDA sets as a guideline and could get by on far less than that when trying to lose weight. Just a bunch of fatties sitting in desk chairs all day then home to the couch to watch reality tv.

Yup. All about good choices. Instead of eating 9 rolls at Tx Roadhouse before swallowing a 16 oz steak and mountain of fries, stay home and eat some chicken or salmon.
 

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I ate a good pickle at the renfaire last weekend past. It came out of a watercooler. Crispy, crunchy. Guy was selling a boat load of 'em.
 

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We will occasionally get a Subway if we need something quick on an interstate gas stop. Otherwise, Jersey Mike's, Far (Fire) House, and Penn Station have them beat, and local sub shops here like Meeter's Deli and Dagwood's Deli crush all of them.