The State of State colleges....

[Anon1754760634]

Again this will not turn in to a political debate because if it does I will remove....but damn.

SIUE is cutting sports programs, EIU is laying off nearly 200 full time employees WIU is having people take unpaid furloughs...SIU could have 40 million cut from it's budget.

My son (senior at NIU will graduate in May) is in the middle of grad school application process and was told by several in his field that "If I was you I would apply to all out of state grad schools since we are hearing that the most in-state school grad school programs will either be severely cut or eliminated."

Damn.

 

[ClownBaby]

I attended a private college and every year they send out the a financial statement so that you can see the health of the school. They work within a budget and regularly adjust it while adding new programs and updating the campus this is how these colleges should have been doing things all along and they would have never gotten in this mess where they are dependent on the state to fund them.

With my job I work regularly with University's in the Chicago area and I can just tell you the amount of waste in the state university system is sickening.

 

[GMAN81]

I am SO happy my kids are done with college. From what I have been reading, several future students are looking to other states to attend Colleges and Universities because of this. So, Edgy, your son should take the advice he is being given. What a mess.

But honestly...are there actually people out there who didn't see this coming? I find it hard to believe there are so many people who are being blindsided by this. This has been coming for years. This state is crippled financially and the problems we face HAVE to be solved and tough decisions have to be made. And changes in Springfield have to be made as well or the problem will only get worse.

 

[GMAN81]

I attended a private college and every year they send out the a financial statement so that you can see the health of the school. They work within a budget and regularly adjust it while adding new programs and updating the campus this is how these colleges should have been doing things all along and they would have never gotten in this mess where they are dependent on the state to fund them.

With my job I work regularly with University's in the Chicago area and I can just tell you the amount of waste in the state university system is sickening.

BINGO!!!

 

[biglatte]

My son is a Sr. in high he only applied to one state school and he will be going to school out of state.

 

[CCIce10]

The current state of Illinois higher education is scandalous. The state subsidizes each student on average $6000 more than does our neighboring states yet tuitions in Illinois remain twenty to thirty per cent higher than these other state schools. The recent kerfuffle at COD is just the tip of the iceberg of the corruption and mismanagement of these institutions. If I go any further I'll put this in the realm of politics so I'm done.

 

[mc140]

Chicago St also has to pay out millions for firing a whistle blower.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Chicago St also has to pay out millions for firing a whistle blower.

Seems the only ones doing decent are U of Illinois and Illinois St... SIU, SIUE, EIU, WIU and NIU are a mess.. Chicago St??? Just frickin close the place..

 

[eireog]

Seems the only ones doing decent are U of Illinois and Illinois St... SIU, SIUE, EIU, WIU and NIU are a mess.. Chicago St??? Just frickin close the place..

Edgy,
It's hard to have this discussion without politics being involved. As Don Corleone said though, " I will not be the one to break the peace made here today" at the sit down with the heads of the five families.

As the father of children smack dab in the middle of the college years I can tell you that I've never seen the amount of young people leaving the state for an education as I do right now. It's cheaper in many cases to send your kid out of state (private or public), than to educate them in state. Financial aid is almost nonexistent to Illinois public schools save for the truly needy. Things have gotten so bad that the crown jewel of the Illinois colleges , the U of I- Urbana, would rather take foreign students than in state students. The current sophomore class at Uof I was made up of 10 percent Chinese nationals when they arrived on campus in the fall of 2014.

Something is certainly rotten in Denmark or Champaign-Urbana or Springfield !!

 

[HHSTigerFan]

At Herscher HS... I bet close to half the kids going to 4 year schools are choosing out of state.. And it's for quality of education, purely financial..

 

[PowerI66_]

U of I the crown jewel? Really? 3rd best, tops.

 

[eireog]

U of I the crown jewel? Really? 3rd best, tops.

State schools.

 

[jwarigaku]

Eireog,

Just to be clear the influx of foreign nationals to schools around the country is a growing trend at the undergrad level. They add size to the class as well as pay a premium tuition to the school which is redistributed(in theory) to subsidize the in-state/in-country student population. This has been used very effectively at some schools to build a cash reserve as well.

The rest of the nonsense and mismanagement in an entitlement state is just sickening!

Edgy,
It's hard to have this discussion without politics being involved. As Don Corleone said though, " I will not be the one to break the peace made here today" at the sit down with the heads of the five families.

As the father of children smack dab in the middle of the college years I can tell you that I've never seen the amount of young people leaving the state for an education as I do right now. It's cheaper in many cases to send your kid out of state (private or public), than to educate them in state. Financial aid is almost nonexistent to Illinois public schools save for the truly needy. Things have gotten so bad that the crown jewel of the Illinois colleges , the U of I- Urbana, would rather take foreign students than in state students. The current sophomore class at Uof I was made up of 10 percent Chinese nationals when they arrived on campus in the fall of 2014.

Something is certainly rotten in Denmark or Champaign-Urbana or Springfield !!

 

[Jiggs]

Edgy,
It's hard to have this discussion without politics being involved. As Don Corleone said though, " I will not be the one to break the peace made here today" at the sit down with the heads of the five families.

As the father of children smack dab in the middle of the college years I can tell you that I've never seen the amount of young people leaving the state for an education as I do right now. It's cheaper in many cases to send your kid out of state (private or public), than to educate them in state. Financial aid is almost nonexistent to Illinois public schools save for the truly needy. Things have gotten so bad that the crown jewel of the Illinois colleges , the U of I- Urbana, would rather take foreign students than in state students. The current sophomore class at Uof I was made up of 10 percent Chinese nationals when they arrived on campus in the fall of 2014.

Something is certainly rotten in Denmark or Champaign-Urbana or Springfield !!

I was recently at the Univ. of Minn Math Dept. in January. I was amazed at the amount of Chinese nationals enrolled. I looked up the numbers and close to 2800 Chinese students are enrolled at Minn. I am going to guess that they are largely enrolled in STEM courses. As long as they are willing to pay full price, and they are qualified, the Universities either public or private are going enroll them.

 

[eireog]

Eireog,

Just to be clear the influx of foreign nationals to schools around the country is a growing trend at the undergrad level. They add size to the class as well as pay a premium tuition to the school which is redistributed(in theory) to subsidize the in-state/in-country student population. This has been used very effectively at some schools to build a cash reserve as well.

The rest of the nonsense and mismanagement in an entitlement state is just sickening!

I agree other schools are doing it but if this state was financially sound we might not need to gain cash influx from China. I too am leery of redistribution of wealth in any form and particularly in this case. I think it's more to stay afloat. I agree also that the (mis)management of these schools and the waste is issue number 1 .

 

[eireog]

I was recently at the Univ. of Minn Math Dept. in January. I was amazed at the amount of Chinese nationals enrolled. I looked up the numbers and close to 2800 Chinese students are enrolled at Minn. I am going to guess that they are largely enrolled in STEM courses. As long as they are willing to pay full price, and they are qualified, the Universities either public or private are going enroll them.

I think these numbers are greatly inflated because schools need the money. No doubt some would be admitted for the purpose of diversity. Many more are being admitted now because of the schools need for money.

 

[ignazio]

I thought the solution was to make college free.

 

[GMAN81]

Actually erieog, this is impossible to discuss without involving politics because politicians have caused the problem. If we want to tip toe around that fact we aren't going to get to any answers where this problem is concerned. The answer as to how and why it was caused and who caused it is right in front of the faces of everyone here. Why ignore it? I can't speak for anyone else, but I know the way to solve any problem is to honestly identify the cause of it first. We know all of those things with this problem.

The problem is that some people here and throughout this state want to stick their heads in the sand and hope it goes away without a real tough fight, real changes and sometimes real painful sacrifices. The fact is, we need a new direction in this state. What has been happening for decades has gotten us here. The warning signs were there too. Too many people ignored them and here we are.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Actually erieog, this is impossible to discuss without involving politics because politicians have caused the problem. If we want to tip toe around that fact we aren't going to get to any answers where this problem is concerned. The answer as to how and why it was caused and who caused it is right in front of the faces of everyone here. Why ignore it? I can't speak for anyone else, but I know the way to solve any problem is to honestly identify the cause of it first. We know all of those things with this problem.

The problem is that some people here and throughout this state want to stick their heads in the sand and hope it goes away without a real tough fight, real changes and sometimes real painful sacrifices. The fact is, we need a new direction in this state. What has been happening for decades has gotten us here. The warning signs were there too. Too many people ignored them and here we are.

The problem isn't just the politicians, It's the mindset of the entire state... Everyone can agree that the state needs to spend less, but when Rauner attempts to make the cuts, people that it affects go crazy and whine..

 

[GMAN81]

The problem isn't just the politicians, It's the mindset of the entire state... Everyone can agree that the state needs to spend less, but when Rauner attempts to make the cuts, people that it affects go crazy and whine..

I wrote a long reply to your post. Mostly I agree with you. I gave a long opinion as to what I think is going on in Illinois, the whiners and what's gong on in the country itself. As far as the whiners goes. That problem is easily solved. You make cuts everywhere. We are broke and there shouldn't be any sacred cows. But, I also deleted that long post. When I was asked why I was deleting it I replied "because it just falls on deaf ears." I am not going to waste anymore of my time on this subject. Anyone who has read what I have written knows how I feel about it. Not going to repeat it.

 

[Thedoctor50]

U of I has become unaffordable for most. Many of the other state schools are accepting kids who should not be attending college.

 

[BretEpic]

Again this will not turn in to a political debate because if it does I will remove....but damn.

SIUE is cutting sports programs, EIU is laying off nearly 200 full time employees WIU is having people take unpaid furloughs...SIU could have 40 million cut from it's budget.

My son (senior at NIU will graduate in May) is in the middle of grad school application process and was told by several in his field that "If I was you I would apply to all out of state grad schools since we are hearing that the most in-state school grad school programs will either be severely cut or eliminated."

Damn.

What degree is he seeking?

 

[mc140]

The problem isn't just the politicians, It's the mindset of the entire state... Everyone can agree that the state needs to spend less, but when Rauner attempts to make the cuts, people that it affects go crazy and whine..

Do you still get the farm subsidies?

 

[chief1968]

Seems the only ones doing decent are U of Illinois and Illinois St... SIU, SIUE, EIU, WIU and NIU are a mess.. Chicago St??? Just frickin close the place..

U of I and ISU holding their own for now because they had large reserves... once they start to deplete the reserves, you will see same types of changes at both schools.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

U of I and ISU holding their own for now because they had large reserves... once they start to deplete the reserves, you will see same types of changes at both schools.

Maybe... Difference being is that those two schools don't have declining enrollment that's adding to the problem.. ISU Prez also said that when the state suggested that made cuts at a certain level, they actually cut more which has put them at a better spot now..

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Do you still get the farm subsidies?

My honest answer to that is that I have no idea.. What a few idiots on the other board got all bent out of shape about, that land is in a trust and I do nothing with it other than get a few checks a year..

 

[ignazio]

When compared to their conference peers, Illinois universities are 30-60% more expensive for the students.
That's because our state just doesn't support our students. Not enough revenue, right?
Nope.
Illinois spends $12,293 per full time student - compared to the national average of $6,552 per student.

 

[Anon1754760634]

What degree is he seeking?

BS in nutrition and dietetics and now getting ready for grad school

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Went to our graduation yesterday.. Of the top 10 in that class, only 1 is going to an instate school ( Illinois)...

 

[mullin17]

Went to our graduation yesterday.. Of the top 10 in that class, only 1 is going to an instate school ( Illinois)...

Because the rest could not get in, Mac diplomas have more pull.

 

[Thedoctor50]

Because the rest could not get in, Mac diplomas have more pull.

I know people like to rip on certain HS's, but for many of the state U's in Illinois, being able to print your name is qualification enough.

You will find throughout the state that HS'ers are avoiding the state schools like a plague.

 

[GMAN81]

Just read this in today's paper. Interesting.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/stat...cle_9f53de86-e4e8-54ed-8a6a-0a7084babea1.html

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Because the rest could not get in, Mac diplomas have more pull.

Yes, which is why they are barely keeping the doors open

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Just read this in today's paper. Interesting.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/stat...cle_9f53de86-e4e8-54ed-8a6a-0a7084babea1.html

What is Illinois St doing that the directionals are not?

 

[jwarigaku]

Placing Graduates in real meaningful jobs in their majors. Bloomington/Normal is a bit of an anomaly in the state as unemployment is very low and they have the infrastuucture to be self supporting with the employers in the immediate area. Otherwise the state's inhabitants are departing at an alarming rate!

K

What is Illinois St doing that the directionals are not?

 

[jwarigaku]

So let's pivot this discussion slightly to public High schools in Illinois since this board is about sports and the current state budget funding of said schools is going to get a bit interesting.

The reality of the situation is that high school athletics in the state of Illinois will appear different within 24 months.

As an example from an internal memo to district 204 IPSD staff, "the state of Illinois is in arrears $36 million dollars to district 204. The district will be required to borrow $24 million to operate in 2016/2017. If the situation has not resolved itself with the state all extra-curricular activities and related stipends will be removed until the budget is met. Core education will not be endangered."

In other words bye to sports and clubs

 

[Anon1754760634]

Illinois State? Nice area not too far from Chicagoland but far enough for Daddy's to send daughters to (still majority female at ISU). Strong business education and health programs and adding serious infrastructure (new rec center is incredible) tons of curb appeal. Also investing serious $$$ into winning programs like nursing and once the they are done ISU could easily see even larger enrollment.

Son is doing grad degree at ISU was his top choice over NIU/Iowa/Mich St and others claimed program strength and stability of the school main reasons.

 

[privatone]

When I said this several weeks ago, one reply was, "Privateone sounds like a north suburban parent circa 1990".

 

[ignazio]

The University of Illinois has 44,000 students and over 25,000 employees.

Gee, I wonder why tuition is so high?

 

[mc140]

In other words bye to sports and clubs

Scare tactic. Just like Cahokia was cutting all sports programs.