The truth about the ACA.
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Don't care what you doubt. What there is no doubt about, is you are the a whinny little boy.
Your pattern of misspellings indicate that you're an uneducated dolt. Probably worked unskilled jobs all your life. Now you're laughing all the way to the bank as you steal from younger generations.
Sooner or later some dumbass is going to come on here with some averages that don't take into consideration the average life span of Americans. He's also going to leave out the part about the amount of people that draw off the system who have never paid one cent into it. He's going to use this argument to disparage those people who have supported the system their entire lives, regardless of their contribution. He will make no mention of the fact that SS tax is only paid on the part of salaries that encompass the common man but in no way affect those of the wealthy, or the poor. He will then attempt to denigrate a productive member of society who has paved the way for him and his mail order/street corner wife to procreate irresponsibly at the expense of working Americans.
Watch for him, he will be here.
Watch for him, he will be here.
The problem with this is that even providers often have no idea what the "sticker price" is, much less the cost of production, especially in hospital care. There's no such thing as an MSRP in medicine. Companies make hospitals and provider groups sign non-disclosure agreements once they've struck a bargain, so even if you DO know how much it'll cost your patient, you have no idea whether it's cheaper or more expensive somewhere else.
And when it comes to drug R&D, all of us are subsidizing the world's pharmaceutical choices. We pay these exorbitant prices in the US, meanwhile every other government negotiates the price down to a reasonable level.
It's filthy as hell, but no politician has the power to challenge that system. Too many billions changing hands every day.
Can't disagree with this. But why is the cost of say, an MRI, so different? If I want a brake job done on my car, it costs about the same regardless of where I choose to have the work done. Same goes for the rest of my work. If I go to the dealer, they are going to charge the most. The rest of the people charge about the same.
What if all of a sudden each place decided that the minimum price for a brake job was $1,000?
Depends on what type of profit the facility needs, exactly how new the MR machine is, etc. Most radiologists and radiology techs are gonna be paid about the same in a given city per image taken. It's all the other stuff that's so variable and so tough to predict unless you're the people writing up the bills.
All you needed to say. End of conversation.
Well. I'm definitely laughing at your sorry ***. I only wish I could actually see your tears. [roll]
Are you slow? It was the free stuff baby boomers get. Yet they think they've paid in and deserve it. But I guess you're response was "nu uh. "
If you're going to respond, at least keep up. It's difficult dealing with all you Opeys.
Right. Numbers show how much free stuff you get. That is what normal people call facts. But grats to you, for getting it. Just like the people you complain about the most. Ironic.
Nothing better than magical thinking to justify entitlement. Numbers show something different than your magical I deserve it line. All welfare recipients justify it.
Absolutely. Some one main lining diabetes straight into their veins will get more money than they paid in.
I'll give my ss up. I dont care
Don't totally agree, but I understand the frustrations of crazy and those that share his views. The problem has many components. For years, our gov. made promises that people, in good faith, based life decisions on. SS was a good idea, but somewhere along the way, the gov made it a retirement program where it was not designed as such.
When selecting a profession in 1978, I made my decision to some extent based on "promises" associated with that profession and would be in a world of hurt if the rug was pulled out from under me. Had those promises not been in place, I likely would have selected another profession. Changes are needed. In fact, changes were made that required me to pay around $ 500 per month for insurance where it had been totally free to others before me. I understand the need for the change. We can't continue to bankrupt the country and those few workers trying to support the system. At the same time, we can't renege on the promises made by our gov (us) to those who worked hard all their lives depending on those promises.
Personally, I've paid into SS over the years, yet I will never be permitted to "draw" due to having another retirement plan. Others in my position were able to double dip for years but that was put to an end. While it hurts my wallet, I understand and agree. No gripes.
When selecting a profession in 1978, I made my decision to some extent based on "promises" associated with that profession and would be in a world of hurt if the rug was pulled out from under me. Had those promises not been in place, I likely would have selected another profession. Changes are needed. In fact, changes were made that required me to pay around $ 500 per month for insurance where it had been totally free to others before me. I understand the need for the change. We can't continue to bankrupt the country and those few workers trying to support the system. At the same time, we can't renege on the promises made by our gov (us) to those who worked hard all their lives depending on those promises.
Personally, I've paid into SS over the years, yet I will never be permitted to "draw" due to having another retirement plan. Others in my position were able to double dip for years but that was put to an end. While it hurts my wallet, I understand and agree. No gripes.
Slow? You're the one calling "free stuff" the things I was forced to PAY IN TO by mostly the idiots you support!
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What exactly are these free things? I agree that if I live long enough, I will get back more than I paid it but whose fault is that? And that doesn't change the FACT that I was forced to PAY to get them. And now when it's my turn to receive the benefits, you want to change the rules.
It's ok man. Whatever you have to do to justify your free stuff. Fact is you use more than you paid in.
If you get more than you pay? That's free stuff.
I know you can get this!
Eventually, if I live long enough, I will get more than I put in but not at this time. So, it's not free yet. I didn't make the rules. I have no problem changing them for people like you that have time to adjust.
Doubt all of those numbers are true. Probably based on projected and possible payouts to some. Could be same math others were using a year or so back saying that Obama's addition to the national debt was mainly because of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. After researching the claims it came out to be just over a trillion for the whole thing including the Bush years. The people ranting about it were adding in projected and possible cost 10 years of more out. Many findings these days seem to be based on a biased thought process and so are exaggerated. But more importantly, I have seen no free stuff and continue to pay into the system. I hope some of you realize that SS is taxed as well as is my retirement so, when that happens, I will still be paying in.
Probably because they hate the older generation and don't want them to have what they think they now deserve just because they exist. Couple that with the point that they know if the baby boomers get what they paid in and don't die off, some one will have to work in order to pay for the free stuff they get/want now. What will happen when the 51% become the 49% or lower? It is coming.
There is no doubt boomers hit the peak of our economy and got the most of any generation. On top of entitlements, private pensions are pretty much gone and the vast majority of public ones are grossly underfunded. Not really blaming them but they do like being pandered to by pols who are very eager to pander to them.
This is the human condition. If it's free, take it. I have a brother-in-law who, I know, is worth over a million dollars. Bitched about people taking welfare his entire life. He needed a wheelchair. Medicare would provide him with a free one. He wanted a better one so he paid $6K for a custom-built one. And, yep, he also took the free one from Medicare "for a spare." After he got them he uses neither one of them.
I understand why people may not be happy with others collecting SS and Medicare - getting back more than they paid in. But what gets me is them implying that, when it comes their time to cash in what they paid for their entire working life, they won't do it because they don't want younger generations bearing that burden.
Guess what? At 8 AM on the day they qualify, crazy and LEK (and everyone else) will be at the door of the SS office to sign up for all the "free stuff" they are entitled to get.
Nobility goes out the door at crunch time.
There's a famous saying for what you guys have been arguing about the last two days.
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game".
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game".
Warrior, you put your life on the line for me and everyone in this country. We can not give you and other vets enough. You have paid more than enough.
Look, I'm just citing numbers over all. There are obviously exceptions to every thing. But saying that since another study was wrong means this is wrong is silly.
I just think it's funny seeing so many people claiming they've paid in and earned it, when essentially half their income coming in is subsidized by me. They ***** about others getting subsidies, but I pay those too. They don't. It's ridiculous.
Glad we both agree you get free stuff. Difference, is a lot ***** at others for doing same. And it's not always earned.
Simply Stating it could be misleading to a degree. The statement that we would get about 1/3rd more than we put in was highballing it. 2/3rds of 966 is 644 not 722. Not saying that we would not get more back but I think the way things are going that will hold true for every generation. I understand the sentiment that it may not be there when the younger generation gets there but, that has been said for a long time now. It does look bad but, the government has been stealing from Peter to pay Paul for such a long time now that it will make it hard to recover enough to cover it down the line. Something has to change in order to be able sustain the current trend for retirement payments (that is what it is). I would be willing to take the lump sum of what I put in and it be tax free if they would do that. There for, no extra payments would go my way. I fear however, the way things are going, there will not be enough people paying in later on to compensate for anything.
Thank you for the sentiment about vets but, as for me, I live a pretty good life now and have no real injuries other than a 59 year old body. There are those however who do deserve more for their sacrifices and I agree, they have done enough.
Democratic Socialism is great until it impacts someone's self interest.
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I'm 72 now. Been paying in since I was 17. Still am I guess, in the sense that I pay taxes on some of my SS earnings. When a couple earns over $36K in retirement, your SS earnings start becoming taxable. I don't think I'm getting free stuff yet. Maybe I'll live long enough to get there later. Since all the guys in my family checked out in their early 70s I may not make it though.
What the **** are you talking about? You've made an absurd leap from people WANTING entitlement reform also support Obama.
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
I got prescribed a drug that was going to be $694 for a MONTHLY supply. Then they give me a magic cars to reduce it to $10.
Eveything about what I just typed is so beyond ****** up, people should be rioting in the streets to stop this system. Yet 99% of our society just shovels in another chalupa and races home to make sure their dvr is catching thr bachelor.