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Does any of this argument justify what happened to these two men?
19 people killed this month, why so much attention to just these 2? Did you research the other 17, or you just paying attention to what the media wants you to know?
 

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Because Sterling was pointing his gun at a patron, he refused the police orders to get down, he was tazed, and he had an illegal fire arm in his pocket, one of the cops yelled he has a gun, we can't see his arm while he's resisting, and I still don't know if the cop was in the right, but I'm damn sure not willing to call it murder at this point.

As for the Minnesota shooting, I don't know if the cop was justified or not, it appears MUCH worse than Baton Rouge. Then again all we have is the aftermath with a lady filming while her boyfriend is dying and a child in the backseat, how quickly we forget the hands up don't shoot garbage that Brown's buddy ran, and told the media right afterwards. It was a lie, so maybe before anyone gets their panties in a wad, maybe we should let due diligence play out.


I think this explains things exactly how they happened. I thought the LA incident was very much not an open and shut case bc the offender was resisting arrest with a gun on him. Turns out the clear evidence of the gun being pulled out of his back pocket comes out today.

I agree this MN situation looks much worse. However, as a everyday CC gun carrier I have a VERY CLEAR and well thought out process of how I react and interact with a cop if pulled over. It has happened to me several times within the last couple years and you have to be INCReDIBLy careful when doing so. When you tell a cop you have a gun in your pocket their demeanor drastically changes immediately. And rightfully so. My CC instructor specifically addressed this bc as a former cop himself he had seen this happen many times.

Not saying I have any idea what happened here BEFORE the video starts. But if the passenger in the car told the cop he had a CC license and a firearm on his person then began to reach for his license that the cop may have previously requested, that is exactly how people get shot. Terribly tragic events in both LA & MN tho. Such a sad thing to see. Esp MN IMO bc the fiancé and child witnessed the man dying.

But, even as a registered democrat, whether or not I am gonna get blasted IDC. The entire BS narrative that their are these groups of white cops who are going out to hunt black people is bunk. I will never buy it. It is agenda driven BS and people that spew it have a clear agenda or have been brainwashed from the race baiting crowd. To be fair the race baiting goes on at both sides but it really takes away from the actual discussion we should be having. Are cops being excessive in their interactions with all people. I think the previous post in the thread about the militarization of the police forces is an excellent one and it is one that I have heard some compelling evidence about for quite a while. Let's have that discussion not one that portrays some kind of race war that does not exist.
 

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I don't care which side of the fence you are on politically. I have been alive for almost 40 yrs and I can never remember any time as polarizing as now. Nothing even remotely close. Didn't live thru the 60's or 70's so maybe it was worse then. I know that was a critical period of unrest in our history. But it is scary how divided this country is. Politics aside this is how things deteriorate into anarchy.
 

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I don't care which side of the fence you are on politically. I have been alive for almost 40 yrs and I can never remember any time as polarizing as now. Nothing even remotely close. Didn't live thru the 60's or 70's so maybe it was worse then. I know that was a critical period of unrest in our history. But it is scary how divided this country is. Politics aside this is how things deteriorate into anarchy.
The Purge...beginning in the Fall 2020.
 

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It is funny how some of the people who preach equality and cry foul at the slightest Non PC comment are the very first ones to jump on someone who doesn't share their opinion. Also seem that same crowd are very quick to group a whole bunch of people into a stereotypical category and label them accordingly. It would be hysterically ironic if it weren't so sad. Esp given the state of our country right now.
 

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So the Louisiana store owner says Sterling had permission to be where he was at and had been working that same spot for a long time. He says the cops were too aggressive from the very start and the gun was still in Sterling's pocket after he died which is supported by video. If some posters here are honest people they have a lot of crow to eat.
 

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So the Louisiana store owner says Sterling had permission to be where he was at and had been working that same spot for a long time. He says the cops were too aggressive from the very start and the gun was still in Sterling's pocket after he died which is supported by video. If some posters here are honest people they have a lot of crow to eat.
This is why police need to engage in what's called community policing. The same cops work the same neighborhoods at all times, therefore they know that community. Therefore a report goes from "large African American in red behaving violently in front of store front", goes to "just got a call that Sterling the guy who always sells CDs out in front Shop Mart may be causing commotion. I know him and Jim the shop mart owner know each other bc he's always there, so I better see what's up"
 

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So the Louisiana store owner says Sterling had permission to be where he was at and had been working that same spot for a long time. He says the cops were too aggressive from the very start and the gun was still in Sterling's pocket after he died which is supported by video. If some posters here are honest people they have a lot of crow to eat.

The Cops didn't show up because he was in front of the store, they were called because he had pointed a gun at a guy.
 

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So the Louisiana store owner says Sterling had permission to be where he was at and had been working that same spot for a long time. He says the cops were too aggressive from the very start and the gun was still in Sterling's pocket after he died which is supported by video. If some posters here are honest people they have a lot of crow to eat.

So you think it's unreasonable for the police to show up after they were called to the scene where a man was pointing a gun?
 

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The Cops didn't show up because he was in front of the store, they were called because he had pointed a gun at a guy.
Now who is creating a story to their liking? How do you know the call wasn't from someone who had a beef about the price of CD's. You've descended into that which in earlier threads you alleged. You simply created a story to suit your desire.
 

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Now who is creating a story to their liking? How do you know the call wasn't from someone who had a beef about the price of CD's. You've descended into that which in earlier threads you alleged. You simply created a story to suit your desire.

As did you. Now which is more likely?
 

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Now who is creating a story to their liking? How do you know the call wasn't from someone who had a beef about the price of CD's. You've descended into that which in earlier threads you alleged. You simply created a story to suit your desire.

I didn't create anything, thats why the cops were called to the scene. Are you trying to say it isn't?
 

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What did I create?

A narrative to fit your argument, that the man did nothing wrong. Saying that the cops showed up because someone didn't like the price of a CD he was selling. How is that not the same as saying the cops showed up because of a report that the man was waving a gun?

The guy had a rap sheet with 16 arrest or run-ins, including resisting arrest, assault. So which of the two scenarios is more likely?
 
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This is a useless argument. People here are trying to excuse murder. A black man is pinned to the ground by two cops after being tased then weapons are drawn and he is shot to death all caught on video and backed up by witnesses and the property owner who is not black. With such outlandish twisting of reality it's easier to see hate/racism being the source those views than to defend those two cops. I've wasted enough time here.
 
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This is a useless argument. People here are trying to excuse murder. A black man is pinned to the ground by two cops after being tased then weapons are drawn and he is shot to death all caught on video and backed up by witnesses and the property owner who is not black. With such outlandish twisting of reality it's easier to see hate/racism being the source those views than to defend those two cops. I've wasted enough time here.

Nobody is excusing murder. People here have said over and over again...wait until ALL the facts are in. We live in a society where the media releases a story and people just run with it. The stories are always updated and change. Let it play out before making a judgement. As of right now ALL parties involved in the Louisiana situation are to blame...ALL. How can people NOT understand that? If the dude had been white and the same situation, the same thing would have been said, the only difference is that it never would have been on the news and we wouldn't be discussing it.
 

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Stop being hysterical. S
This is a useless argument. People here are trying to excuse murder. A black man is pinned to the ground by two cops after being tased then weapons are drawn and he is shot to death all caught on video and backed up by witnesses and the property owner who is not black. With such outlandish twisting of reality it's easier to see hate/racism being the source those views than to defend those two cops. I've wasted enough time here.

Dude, you're the only one twisting reality. You act as if the man was in complete control of the Cops and they just pulled a gun and shot him, thats not how it happened.

The Cop was on top, but the guys arm that was clearly free and with his hand not visible just happened to be on the side the gun was on, the cop yells he has a gun. Now you have come to the conclusion the cop killed him because of racism? Whats the more likely reason, the man that we do know had a gun on him had tried to pull that gun, or the cop just didn't like blacks?
 

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The guy had a rap sheet with 16 arrest or run-ins, including resisting arrest, assault.

if he'd been beaten by cops for no real reason before, the likelihood is that he'd have been charged with resisting arrest and/or agg assault. you should keep that in mind next time you see a civilian's swollen face after a run-in with the police

pretty comical how your stance is 'oh we can't draw any conclusions', yet choose to blame sterling based on his rap sheet

literally every thread on a topic like this elicits multiple pages of despicable, archaic white supremacist nonsense
 

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if he'd been beaten by cops for no real reason before, the likelihood is that he'd have been charged with resisting arrest and/or agg assault. you should keep that in mind next time you see a civilian's swollen face after a run-in with the police

pretty comical how your stance is 'oh we can't draw any conclusions', yet choose to blame sterling based on his rap sheet

literally every thread on a topic like this elicits multiple pages of despicable, archaic white supremacist nonsense

I understand you have poor reading comprehension or you would have quoted my entire post. Try again.
 

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if he'd been beaten by cops for no real reason before, the likelihood is that he'd have been charged with resisting arrest and/or agg assault. you should keep that in mind next time you see a civilian's swollen face after a run-in with the police

pretty comical how your stance is 'oh we can't draw any conclusions', yet choose to blame sterling based on his rap sheet

literally every thread on a topic like this elicits multiple pages of despicable, archaic white supremacist nonsense[/QUOTE

What is white supremacist on here?
 

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yeah that's how reading comprehension is evaluated

Not understanding what someone wrote, yes that is a problem with reading comprehension. IF you had read and COMPREHENDED what I wrote you wouldn't have cherry picked my post, you would have quoted the entire post. So yes, that is EXACTLY how reading comprehension is evaluated.
I get that doing that doesn't fit your agenda or your desire to fan the flames, and that's OK. That's why nobody on here really listens or cares for your opinion.
I'm just trying to help you out. I won't reply to nonsense anymore. Because you will definitely beat me with experience.
 

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you actually posted 'go back to africa' and are subhuman racist detritus

I posted that if you do not like the USA, why would you stay? Nothing wrong with that. We do not want a civil war here. Many do.

I am subhuman? You support the murder of police. As far as detritus, what are my fiber percentages?

You believe criminals are innocent every time.
 
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By the way, Ed, isn't the definition of racist anyone that disagrees with you. Had I said all blacks go to Africa that would be racist. Telling some angry anti-American to leave the US and go where they can find peace is not racist.