There is a big difference

[robEERt]

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over." Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA." The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!" The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the conservative side of the fence." If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it..
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have
a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

Well, I forwarded it to you.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over." Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA." The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!" The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the conservative side of the fence." If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it..
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have
a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

Well, I forwarded it to you.

2004 called, they want their email chain back.

 

[WVPATX]

2004 called, they want their email chain back.

Still relevant today. Perhaps even more so.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Still relevant today. Perhaps even more so.

True. You can see it in action on this board.

 

[op2]

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over." Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA." The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!" The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the conservative side of the fence." If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it..
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have
a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

Well, I forwarded it to you.

From this post I take it you're in favor of a 100% inheritance tax.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

From this post I take it you're in favor of a 100% inheritance tax.

Not surprising post is not surprising.

 

[WVPATX]

From this post I take it you're in favor of a 100% inheritance tax.

You're reading comprehension must be near zero, lol.

 

[op2]

You're reading comprehension must be near zero, lol.

"I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree."

Sounds to me like it's saying how much you get should be strongly related to how much you worked for it.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

"I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree."

Sounds to me like it's saying how much you get should be strongly related to how much you worked for it.

I work to provide a better life for my kids. Not for it to go to some hill jack to lazy to leave their single wide.

 

[WVPATX]

"I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree."

Sounds to me like it's saying how much you get should be strongly related to how much you worked for it.

It's the exact opposite. A 0% inheritance tax. But more importantly, it's exactly why socialism never works.

 

[op2]

It's the exact opposite. A 0% inheritance tax. But more importantly, it's exactly why socialism never works.

How Orwellian of you. It says that the people that do the work ought to get the reward, not the people that don't do the work.

 

[PriddyBoy]

How Orwellian of you. It says that the people that do the work ought to get the reward, not the people that don't do the work.

Hence 0% Tax. I don't know if you don't know the definition TAX or have 100 confused with zero. You seem to have yourself 180'd. Don't panic, it happens. You might try thinking about it for a while. If that doesn't help then we can try something else. Hang in there.

 

[op2]

Hence 0% Tax. I don't know if you don't know the definition TAX or have 100 confused with zero. You seem to have yourself 180'd. Don't panic, it happens. You might try thinking about it for a while. If that doesn't help then we can try something else. Hang in there.

Here's the quote from the OP.

"I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree."

It means that people should only get rewarded for hard work. OTOH the people that inherit money in the absence of an inheritance are having money given to them, and taxed at 0%.

 

[WVPATX]

Here's the quote from the OP.

"I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree."

It means that people should only get rewarded for hard work. OTOH the people that inherit money in the absence of an inheritance are having money given to them, and taxed at 0%.

A person works hard and saves their money for their family. A person loafs all their life. You want to take the money away from the estate of the person who worked and saved to give to the person who doesn't work? Again, the exact opposite of the OP. But I will admit that's exactly what libs want yo do.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Here's the quote from the OP.

"I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree."

It means that people should only get rewarded for hard work. OTOH the people that inherit money in the absence of an inheritance are having money given to them, and taxed at 0%.

The deceased should be able to leave their belongings to anyone they want to, imo. If that's the Federal Government, fine. Medical research, Sharpton's crack fund, the Clinton Foundation, Willie Nelson..so be it. One thing I've noticed over the years is that when a person dies, the hands of Avarice come from many directions (including the government). Sometimes even when the decedent's wishes are documented.

 

[op2]

A person works hard and saves their money for their family. A person loafs all their life. You want to take the money away from the estate of the person who worked and saved to give to the person who doesn't work? Again, the exact opposite of the OP. But I will admit that's exactly what libs want yo do.

And you were scolding my on reading comprehension? The OP talks about people working for what they get and the clear context (college students and grades) was of everyone starting out even (at the beginning of the college course) and then ending up with grades based on how much they worked. That is pretty much the antithesis of people getting money from an inheritance.

ETA: If the OP had mentioned something like, the father saying that he went to that university years ago and got good grades and as a result the child should start the semester with more consideration from the professor than someone whose father went there years ago and got lousy grades, then it would be analogous to inheriting money.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

And you were scolding my on reading comprehension? The OP talks about people working for what they get and the clear context (college students and grades) was of everyone starting out even (at the beginning of the college course) and then ending up with grades based on how much they worked. That is pretty much the antithesis of people getting money from an inheritance.

ETA: If the OP had mentioned something like, the father saying that he went to that university years ago and got good grades and as a result the child should start the semester with more consideration from the professor than someone whose father went there years ago and got lousy grades, then it would be analogous to inheriting money.

Let's just cut the ********. What do you think should happen to an inheritance?

 

[op2]

Let's just cut the ********. What do you think should happen to an inheritance?

My point in posting in this thread isn't to give my opinion on what should happen to an inheritance but rather to note that moral given in the OP is that people should work for what they get rather than having it given to them,, and getting an inheritance ain't working.

 

[WVPATX]

And you were scolding my on reading comprehension? The OP talks about people working for what they get and the clear context (college students and grades) was of everyone starting out even (at the beginning of the college course) and then ending up with grades based on how much they worked. That is pretty much the antithesis of people getting money from an inheritance.

ETA: If the OP had mentioned something like, the father saying that he went to that university years ago and got good grades and as a result the child should start the semester with more consideration from the professor than someone whose father went there years ago and got lousy grades, then it would be analogous to inheriting money.

Again, you have it exactly backward. A person who works hard and saves should be in control of his assets, not have them redistributed by the government to someone else.

Btw, how do you know the heirs didn't work to help build their parent's estate? Even with your incorrect analysis, you're making questionable assumptions.

 

[bornaneer]

The law should be ZERO taxes on inherited assets. Who CARES if the receiving persons "worked hard" . That decision should be left to the assets giver. I would also bet that most assets have ALREADY been taxed and most likely more than once. I bet you are a very conflicted person if you REALLY cared about the "Moral" aspect in every way you conducted yourself. Maybe you only like to choose which "Moral" issues to get conflicted about.

 

[op2]

Again, you have it exactly backward. A person who works hard and saves should be in control of his assets, not have them redistributed by the government to someone else.

Btw, how do you know the heirs didn't work to help build their parent's estate? Even with your incorrect analysis, you're making questionable assumptions.

A person who works hard and saves IS in control of his assets. That's a given that's not under debate.

If the son or daughter or anyone else helps a person build an estate then they should be paid for it as they do the work.

Personally I believe there should be some kind of inheritance tax but at the same time people should be able to pass on some of their estate to their heirs tax free. That's a separate issue though. My main point for posting in this thread is to note that if you use the ethic stated in the OP of this thread nobody should be allowed to inherit anything tax-free.

 

[WVPATX]

A person who works hard and saves IS in control of his assets. That's a given that's not under debate.

If the son or daughter or anyone else helps a person build an estate then they should be paid for it as they do the work.

Personally I believe there should be some kind of inheritance tax but at the same time people should be able to pass on some of their estate to their heirs tax free. That's a separate issue though. My main point for posting in this thread is to note that if you use the ethic stated in the OP of this thread nobody should be allowed to inherit anything tax-free.

That is the opposite of the OP. The OP is all about someone in power (professor or government) taking something away from you to give to someone else. That power should rest with the individual not the person or group in power. Thus, the student keeps their grade and is not forced to "share" it with another. Thus a taxpayer that saves should be in control of their estate, not the government redistributing it to someone else. Very consistent with the OP.

A student may work their butt off and still have a D. Another student may not work hard and have an A. The grade should still not be shared. The issue is control. Who decides? Not who works or doesn't work.

 

[op2]

That is the opposite of the OP. The OP is all about someone in power (professor or government) taking something away from you to give to someone else. That power should rest with the individual not the person or group in power. Thus, the student keeps their grade and is not forced to "share" it with another. Thus a taxpayer that saves should be in control of their estate, not the government redistributing it to someone else. Very consistent with the OP.

A student may work their butt off and still have a D. Another student may not work hard and have an A. The grade should still not be shared. The issue is control. Who decides? Not who works or doesn't work.

The OP said you should get something only if you work for it. Someone gets an inheritance because another person dies, not because they worked for it.

Of course, a wealthy person could give their son or daughter money while they're alive, either as a gift or else because the son or daughter are working for it, but in both instances taxes are involved.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

The OP said you should get something only if you work for it.

I think there are two parts to the story to be fair with both you and PATX being correct. I see inheritance in a different light than you though. I don't understand how something that has already been taxed should be taxed again. If I didn't have heirs, I would require on my death that my money be liquidated and start a fire with half of my money in the parking lot of the welfare office and the other half in the parking lot of the IRS

 

[op2]

Money is taxed when it moves. You earned your money and you paid taxes on it. Then you go to the story and buy something and there's a sales tax. And then the owner of the store takes that money and pays his employees with it but the employees have to pay tax on the money they get. And if the owner of the store makes a profit he has to pay tax on that. Etc.

If you give money to somebody it's taxable above a certain amount, $12,000 or so to the person that receives it.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Money is taxed when it moves. You earned your money and you paid taxes on it. Then you go to the story and buy something and there's a sales tax. And then the owner of the store takes that money and pays his employees with it but the employees have to pay tax on the money they get. And if the owner of the store makes a profit he has to pay tax on that. Etc.

If you give money to somebody it's taxable above a certain amount, $12,000 or so to the person that receives it.

Funny stuff. The U.S. was set up so we didn't have double taxation. No problem, 3 tax minimum.

I was wondering how much a hamburger was taxed during its' "movement" from the ranch to out myass. Tax on the cattle property, feed, transportation related taxes (fuel, maintenance, labor, unemployment for former labor), slaughter houses, back on the road to a chain of franchises, thrown on a grill by some genius who thinks this service is worth 15.00/hr., then out myass. But it doesn't stop there. The waste water goes to the treatment plant. The only break (subject to change) in the tax cycle of the hamburger is the rain to grow feed.

We should all work at MickyDs and pay our rain tax. Let the robots do the rest.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Funny stuff. The U.S. was set up so we didn't have double taxation. No problem, 3 tax minimum.

I was wondering how much a hamburger was taxed during its' "movement" from the ranch to out myass. Tax on the cattle property, feed, transportation related taxes (fuel, maintenance, labor, unemployment for former labor), slaughter houses, back on the road to a chain of franchises, thrown on a grill by some genius who thinks this service is worth 15.00/hr., then out myass. But it doesn't stop there. The waste water goes to the treatment plant. The only break (subject to change) in the tax cycle of the hamburger is the rain to grow feed.

We should all work at MickyDs and pay our rain tax. Let the robots do the rest.

Rain is taxed in MD. No ****. O'Malley D Maryland. Also running for President.

 

[op2]

Funny stuff. The U.S. was set up so we didn't have double taxation. No problem, 3 tax minimum.

I was wondering how much a hamburger was taxed during its' "movement" from the ranch to out myass. Tax on the cattle property, feed, transportation related taxes (fuel, maintenance, labor, unemployment for former labor), slaughter houses, back on the road to a chain of franchises, thrown on a grill by some genius who thinks this service is worth 15.00/hr., then out myass. But it doesn't stop there. The waste water goes to the treatment plant. The only break (subject to change) in the tax cycle of the hamburger is the rain to grow feed.

We should all work at MickyDs and pay our rain tax. Let the robots do the rest.

I don't think a hamburger is a good example because considering all the energy, etc, that goes into that there are so many interests that I bet they are subsidized left, right and center. The waste water going into a waste water treatment plant isn't an example of a cost put on the beef producer but rather an example of a cost the rest of society has to pay and that the beef producer reaps the benefit of. Waste water needs to be treated and waste water treatment plants cost money to build.

I love burgers, chicken wings, beef tacos, steaks, etc but at the same time I recognize that it takes a huge amount of energy to produce that stuff because it involves raising and keeping a live a huge animal. Eventually they're going to figure out a way to do it while bypassing the animal and it will be a lot better then but from what I read they're still decades away from perfecting it.