There is one major advantage to the GOP for the Trump candidacy

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CNN drew its largest audience in its history last evening. A rating of 14.7 or 1 in 7 U.S. households watched. That is NFL territory, unheard of in political debates like this. Fox did even better.
 

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CNN drew its largest audience in its history last evening. A rating of 14.7 or 1 in 7 U.S. households watched. That is NFL territory, unheard of in political debates like this. Fox did even better.

I can see how that's an advantage for the cable news channels but I don't see how it's an advantage for the GOP.
 

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I can see how that's an advantage for the cable news channels but I don't see how it's an advantage for the GOP.

If you can't see how huge audiences will help the GOP then I can't help you.
 

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A large number of viewers doesn't mean they will get a large number of votes. Good lord. Face palm.

Viewers mean interest and a chance for candidates to make a huge impression. You're ideology seemingly won't enable you to see the obvious.

Mika is a devoted liberal. You likely would never vote for Carly, but was startled by her performance. Less ideological people could easily be swayed.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...have-never-seen-anything-like-her-ever-video/
 

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If you can't see how huge audiences will help the GOP then I can't help you.

Do you think Trump would win a general election? Do you think the chances of another Republican winning a general election are enhanced by Trump being in the race? I think "no" to both.

Remember, although he's bringing eyeballs to the TVs, lots of people aren't watching him because they think he's great or anything. What do you think swing voters, who actually decide elections, think about the fact that Trump is leading? Do you think that impresses them in a good way? I don't.
 

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CNN drew its largest audience in its history last evening. A rating of 14.7 or 1 in 7 U.S. households watched. That is NFL territory, unheard of in political debates like this. Fox did even better.
It's a freak show and what will the GOP do when Trump drops out?
 

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Do you think Trump would win a general election? Do you think the chances of another Republican winning a general election are enhanced by Trump being in the race? I think "no" to both.

Remember, although he's bringing eyeballs to the TVs, lots of people aren't watching him because they think he's great or anything. What do you think swing voters, who actually decide elections, think about the fact that Trump is leading? Do you think that impresses them in a good way? I don't.

Again, you're blinded by your ideology. The more eyes that watch the debates gives the candidate an opportunity to impress the audience. Clearly Fiorina has done just that, for example. I suspect large chunks of women now know they have an alternative to Hillary if they are focused on electing the first woman.

BTW, Trump is running even with Hillary as flawed a candidate as he is. He is getting a much larger share of the black vote than any Republican before him, at least since the 50's. I think Trump is an idiot but people tune in and it will absolutely benefit the party, imo.
 

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It's a freak show and what will the GOP do when Trump drops out?

LMAO. The Dems are old and tired and very white. Hillary is liar and a felon. Sanders is a sexist socialist. If Biden gets in, he might be the dumbest candidate in history. Jerry Brown, who is 110 years old is even thinking about entering the race. And you call the Republicans a freak show?
 

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LMAO. The Dems are old and tired and very white. Hillary is liar and a felon. Sanders is a sexist socialist. If Biden gets in, he might be the dumbest candidate in history. Jerry Brown, who is 110 years old is even thinking about entering the race. And you call the Republicans a freak show?
Yes, of course I do. Trump is a freak and people tune in to watch him and watch the others react to him. I don't blame you for dodging the question.
 

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Yes, of course I do. Trump is a freak and people tune in to watch him and watch the others react to him. I don't blame you for dodging the question.

You actually believe Trump will drop out? My God, he is leading in the polls. I don't like him a bit, but he's not gonna drop out. I pray he doesn't win it but I see him staying until the end or near the very end.

The Republican field is so much stronger and far more diverse than the Dem field. Dems are old and tired and yesterday's news.
 

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You actually believe Trump will drop out? My God, he is leading in the polls. I don't like him a bit, but he's not gonna drop out. I pray he doesn't win it but I see him staying until the end or near the very end.

The Republican field is so much stronger and far more diverse than the Dem field. Dems are old and tired and yesterday's news.
Okey dokey.
 

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A large number of viewers doesn't mean they will get a large number of votes. Good lord. Face palm.
Keep telling yourself that sparky. I'm on travel right now and all people were talking about in the hotel was the debate this morning at breakfast. A whole table of women were discussing how great Carly looked last night and that they are happy they have an alternative to Hillary. 2 of them talked about how wrong they were about believing in OBama.

Another table was discussing how good Carson came across. And still yet another was discussing Rubio and how good he looked. So I'm either staying at the most unknown Republican stronghold or these debates are generating interest in a positive way.
 

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Again, you're blinded by your ideology. The more eyes that watch the debates gives the candidate an opportunity to impress the audience. Clearly Fiorina has done just that, for example. I suspect large chunks of women now know they have an alternative to Hillary if they are focused on electing the first woman.

BTW, Trump is running even with Hillary as flawed a candidate as he is. He is getting a much larger share of the black vote than any Republican before him, at least since the 50's. I think Trump is an idiot but people tune in and it will absolutely benefit the party, imo.
Ya'll thought Mitt would win too, and then you threw away the outreach playbook. My ideology has nothing to do with the fact that the demographics are going to be worse for you than last time. Can't win with just the white vote, that isn't ideology that is statistics.
 

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Ya'll thought Mitt would win too, and then you threw away the outreach playbook. My ideology has nothing to do with the fact that the demographics are going to be worse for you than last time. Can't win with just the white vote, that isn't ideology that is statistics.

I made the statement that these large audiences are a help to the GOP. Libs then posted claims that they weren't. That is being blinded by ideology.
 
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I made the statement that these large audiences are a help to the GOP. Libs then posted claims that they weren't. That is being blinded by ideology.

Interest does not equal agreement. The Donald is helping with the interest. Do you really think he'll win the GOP nomination. Hell, I think it is interesting but I'll never vote Republican as long as I live. :)
 

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Interest does not equal agreement. The Donald is helping with the interest. Do you really think he'll win the GOP nomination. Hell, I think it is interesting but I'll never vote Republican as long as I live. :)
I think that sort of mentality is ignorant - a belief that party has to dictate. I've voted D and R at the presidential level in the past, based on what I believed were teh qualifications of the individual candidates as well as their stances on issues that were most important to me. I've even voted third party below the presidential level, sometimes both mainstream parties were not represented in those races though.
 

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Ya'll thought Mitt would win too, and then you threw away the outreach playbook. My ideology has nothing to do with the fact that the demographics are going to be worse for you than last time. Can't win with just the white vote, that isn't ideology that is statistics.

I never thought Mitt would win. I picked Obama to win. Since 1968, I have never been wrong. If its Hillary vs. Trump, Trump wins. If Biden gets in vs. Trump, I may have to go with Biden, I am not ready to make that call.
 

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I think that sort of mentality is ignorant - a belief that party has to dictate. I've voted D and R at the presidential level in the past, based on what I believed were teh qualifications of the individual candidates as well as their stances on issues that were most important to me. I've even voted third party below the presidential level, sometimes both mainstream parties were not represented in those races though.
I believe I have you beat on this one. I have voted Republican since Ike. I crossed over to vote for Carter(dem) and that turned out to be the dumbest thing ever. and then I voted for that weird looking little fellow with big ears from Texas(I). I think the country was wrong for not following me, and I would do it again.
 

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I believe I have you beat on this one. I have voted Republican since Ike. I crossed over to vote for Carter(dem) and that turned out to be the dumbest thing ever. and then I voted for that weird looking little fellow with big ears from Texas(I). I think the country was wrong for not following me, and I would do it again.
I was on the fence in '92, and I was almost ready to vote for Perot. I do think that he changed the conversation in the country with respect to the debt, and I think that was something that would not have been discussed much if he were not there. That was valuable.
 

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I think that sort of mentality is ignorant - a belief that party has to dictate. I've voted D and R at the presidential level in the past, based on what I believed were teh qualifications of the individual candidates as well as their stances on issues that were most important to me. I've even voted third party below the presidential level, sometimes both mainstream parties were not represented in those races though.
Go easy on him. At least he is proudly proclaiming his ignorance.

How's that saying go? Better to keep quiet and let people think you're an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 

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Interest does not equal agreement. The Donald is helping with the interest. Do you really think he'll win the GOP nomination. Hell, I think it is interesting but I'll never vote Republican as long as I live. :)
Do you have a reason for having such strong feeling? Just because is not an acceptable answer. Do you have a debatable point/reason to share with us as to why you are so firm?
 

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Do you have a reason for having such strong feeling? Just because is not an acceptable answer. Do you have a debatable point/reason to share with us as to why you are so firm?
Well for one, he collects his white collar welfare check twice a month. He's part of the problem why would he vote himself out of a job?
 
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Do you have a reason for having such strong feeling? Just because is not an acceptable answer. Do you have a debatable point/reason to share with us as to why you are so firm?

Do I have a reason for having a strong feeling about what? Believing that a lot of interest doesn't necessarily correlate to a lot of votes or I'll never vote Republican again?
 
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"Vote Repub as long as I live" was the one

Just personal reasons that I would rather not share. I really hate the "I hate government" mentality that comes with the Republican party. The last government shutdown was just a game to them and it had some pretty serious negative affects on people and the entire economy and a Republican member of Congress had the balls to berate a federal employee on the mall during the shutdown. The Tea Party is full of lunatics. Jade Helm. Clive Bundy. Oath Keepers. Westboro Baptist Church. I could "literally" go on for hours listing stupid ****. I'm not saying Democrats are perfect either.
 

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Just personal reasons that I would rather not share. I really hate the "I hate government" mentality that comes with the Republican party. The last government shutdown was just a game to them and it had some pretty serious negative affects on people and the entire economy and a Republican member of Congress had the balls to berate a federal employee on the mall during the shutdown. The Tea Party is full of lunatics. Jade Helm. Clive Bundy. Oath Keepers. Westboro Baptist Church. I could "literally" go on for hours listing stupid ****. I'm not saying Democrats are perfect either.
It's like they do all they can to make Government not work so they can point and say look how it doesn't work.
 

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Just personal reasons that I would rather not share. I really hate the "I hate government" mentality that comes with the Republican party. The last government shutdown was just a game to them and it had some pretty serious negative affects on people and the entire economy and a Republican member of Congress had the balls to berate a federal employee on the mall during the shutdown. The Tea Party is full of lunatics. Jade Helm. Clive Bundy. Oath Keepers. Westboro Baptist Church. I could "literally" go on for hours listing stupid ****. I'm not saying Democrats are perfect either.
What is your legitimate source of TP affiliation to Westboro? I question that. I doubt the TP recognizes any of those radicals that you offer as supporters or TP or their principals. Actually did find WBC affiliation with Dems via the organization leader Fred. He was Dem and ran as a member of the party.

I understand your desire to keep personal feeling to yourself. You have never shared any of your feelings with the board previously. Right?

And, what is your basis "Repub party hates govt"? I am a card carrying member, and I do not hate government as defined by our Constitution. I do hate what government has defined itself as the keeper of the people. I will definitely drop my affiliation if you can substantiate your claims of what Republicans subscribe to.

And, what/who enjoyed the last time the govt was shut down. If you can help me find what you offer as being factual, I will immediately drop support for TP and Repub Party.

Can you offer any legitimate guidance?
 

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It's like they do all they can to make Government not work so they can point and say look how it doesn't work.
What do they do that tells you "they do all the can to make govt not work. Help me understand what would suggest that to you. I have got to get away from Repubs if any of this is true. I may believe the way you do if only I can get some verification on your perception of the political world.
 

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What do they do that tells you "they do all the can to make govt not work. Help me understand what would suggest that to you. I have got to get away from Repubs if any of this is true. I may believe the way you do if only I can get some verification on your perception of the political world.
How about a day after Obama was elected the "first" time and Mitch Mconnell said that the GOP would do everything in it's power to stop any of his initiatives, or something to that effect. Or when they let the Government be shut down the "first" time by not doing their duty to provide a budget. Or voting over and over and over and over again to repeal Obamacare knowing they couldn't actually do that but wasting their time anyway.
 
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What is your legitimate source of TP affiliation to Westboro? I question that. I doubt the TP recognizes any of those radicals that you offer as supporters or TP or their principals. Actually did find WBC affiliation with Dems via the organization leader Fred. He was Dem and ran as a member of the party.

I understand your desire to keep personal feeling to yourself. You have never shared any of your feelings with the board previously. Right?

And, what is your basis "Repub party hates govt"? I am a card carrying member, and I do not hate government as defined by our Constitution. I do hate what government has defined itself as the keeper of the people. I will definitely drop my affiliation if you can substantiate your claims of what Republicans subscribe to.

And, what/who enjoyed the last time the govt was shut down. If you can help me find what you offer as being factual, I will immediately drop support for TP and Repub Party.

Can you offer any legitimate guidance?

Sorry for the confusion. I need to write longer posts. I tend to talk very little in person and try to write as little as possible to convey my message/thought. I didn't mean to suggest the TP was associated with Westboro. I suspect most members of Westboro are registered Republicans. Surely to goodness you recognize one of the Republican party platforms is for as small as government as possible. It has eroded to a hatred of government. Ted Cruz wants to abolish the IRS. Waht a dumbass. Surely to God you remember ole Ted Cruz trying to blame the shutdown last year on the Dems and eventually, McConnell, McCain and Boehner all three admitted that it was a Republican strategy and they wished they had never allowed it and admitted it was a very stupid tactic?

And I also recognize your sarcasm and troll attempt.

And while I'm at it, I also hate the *******'ish attitude of Republicans looking down their noses at everyone utilizing government assistance. Just remember that Ben Carson benefited greatly from many of those programs.
 

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How about a day after Obama was elected the "first" time and Mitch Mconnell said that the GOP would do everything in it's power to stop any of his initiatives, or something to that effect. Or when they let the Government be shut down the "first" time by not doing their duty to provide a budget. Or voting over and over and over and over again to repeal Obamacare knowing they couldn't actually do that but wasting their time anyway.
Are you referring to Mitch saying that his first obligation is to make sure that he only serves one term? That should have been every Republicans goal. And, do you remember how Pelosi and Reid did GWB in his last term. They would not even put it on the agenda. Repubs can do the same thing now and block all, but they don't have Dem leadership qualities and will to do the deed to shut progress down.

As to the budget, it is not a requirement that the Repubs agree with Dem level of spending to pass a budget. But, that is what Repubs have cowardly done under the threat that govt will shut down and the Repubs will be given credit for govt shut down. That makes Dems happy and has given rise to T-Party who want Repubs to get some backbone or they will assist in their removal. TP has probably impacted more Repub seats than Dem seats and the libs scream about the TP without ever defining what their ***** is.
 

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Are you referring to Mitch saying that his first obligation is to make sure that he only serves one term? That should have been every Republicans goal. And, do you remember how Pelosi and Reid did GWB in his last term. They would not even put it on the agenda. Repubs can do the same thing now and block all, but they don't have Dem leadership qualities and will to do the deed to shut progress down.

As to the budget, it is not a requirement that the Repubs agree with Dem level of spending to pass a budget. But, that is what Repubs have cowardly done under the threat that govt will shut down and the Repubs will be given credit for govt shut down. That makes Dems happy and has given rise to T-Party who want Repubs to get some backbone or they will assist in their removal. TP has probably impacted more Repub seats than Dem seats and the libs scream about the TP without ever defining what their ***** is.
With respect to McConnell, his first obligation is work for the good of the nation in his role as a U.S. Senator. He can campaign, he can comment about disagreements to the press, but his ultimate job is to try to work, key word, to move forward legislation that is in the best interests of his constituents and the nation as a whole. The way your comment reads, his obligation is party before country. I don't ever feel like that should be the case, ever. My opinion on that doesn't change based on the party affiliation of the person in question either.
 

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The last government shutdown was just a game to them and it had some pretty serious negative affects on people and the entire economy and a Republican member of Congress had the balls to berate a federal employee on the mall during the shutdown.
Would you cite one please. Only nonessential agencies were shut down and the effected federal employees were on payed furlow. Just give one example. Without looking, I'd wager that the government spent less during the last 2 shutdowns. Sometimes I think these shut downs may be scripted events to pull a fast one on the people so that some silly **** goes right under our noses in the guise of "we compromised for the good of the Country."
 

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It's like they do all they can to make Government not work so they can point and say look how it doesn't work.

LMAO. They have no power. Obama is the President. Did the GOP create Obamacare? Did the GOP create this disaster of a foreign policy? O
With respect to McConnell, his first obligation is work for the good of the nation in his role as a U.S. Senator. He can campaign, he can comment about disagreements to the press, but his ultimate job is to try to work, key word, to move forward legislation that is in the best interests of his constituents and the nation as a whole. The way your comment reads, his obligation is party before country. I don't ever feel like that should be the case, ever. My opinion on that doesn't change based on the party affiliation of the person in question either.

So the Dems filibuster of the Iran deal is good for the country? I could go on and on. Both sides stymie things they don't like.
 

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LMAO. They have no power. Obama is the President. Did the GOP create Obamacare? Did the GOP create this disaster of a foreign policy? O


So the Dems filibuster of the Iran deal is good for the country? I could go on and on. Both sides stymie things they don't like.
The filibuster worked, your side ain't stymied anything, just wasted time. And yeah, I think the multinational Iran deal is good for America.
 

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The filibuster worked, your side ain't stymied anything, just wasted time. And yeah, I think the multinational Iran deal is good for America.

You're an incredible hypocrite. Republicans filibuster is bad, Dem filibuster is good.
 

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You're an incredible hypocrite. Republicans filibuster is bad, Dem filibuster is good.
Filibuster vs. meaningless votes on things or causing the Government to shutdown are not the same. The Dems use proper legal procedures and even in the face of opposition get things done. The Republicans have passed on getting even a little of what they want by refusing to compromise on anything. Nothing hypocritical about it at all, what the GOP has been doing isn't bad it's just a stupid waste of time,
 

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Filibuster vs. meaningless votes on things or causing the Government to shutdown are not the same. The Dems use proper legal procedures and even in the face of opposition get things done. The Republicans have passed on getting even a little of what they want by refusing to compromise on anything. Nothing hypocritical about it at all, what the GOP has been doing isn't bad it's just a stupid waste of time,

It takes two to cause a shutdown. Both parties are responsible. Proper legal procedures? What the heck does that mean? The Dems passed a very unpopular Obamacare through back room deals and reconciliation, which was never intended for that purpose. Was that good for the country? Obamacare is still hugely unpopular. They filibustered Keystone. Is that good for the country? They filibustered the Iran vote, is no debate on Iran good for the country? You're a hypocrite for not acknowledging that both sides stymie things they don't agree with.