These kids are going to college on pot

JohnnyBlade99

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WV Pols are too worried about supressing gays, hurting businesses, and stifling job growth to care about legal marijuana
 

DvlDog4WVU

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WV Pols are too worried about supressing gays, hurting businesses, and stifling job growth to care about legal marijuana
Well, you gotta contain them gays, that **** spreads the AIDS, it's contagious too. Brother Bobby Earl down at the Glen Morgan Pentecostal church told me so. They don't call it the gay cancer for no reason ya moran!
 

Mdeer

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You could build a lot of roads and bridges with that kind of cash. We can't even balance a budget here and we use the rainy day fund to rob Peter and pay Paul. Good times.
WV needs to legalize and tax it like Colorado . Would really help the economy
 

Fingon

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We could choose to lead. Given our location and access to essentially the entire eastern seaboard, we could have been bold and made a move to be the Colorado of the east. We could have scaled up production, initiated research and extension programs for growers, put together and incubated a production and distribution infrastructure that would have put us ahead of everyone else east of the Mississippi river.

What am I saying? I lost myself at "we could choose to lead." Not in this state. Not now, not ever.
 

HSVMountie

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WV needs to legalize and tax it like Colorado . Would really help the economy
I'm all for legalizing, if for no other reason that we spend way too much money on it. As for directly helping the economy, I am not so sure. At work we do the five panel drug test for pre-employment and after certain work incidents such as accidents. We lose most of our offender for weed. I am advocating dropping weed from the list. In HSV we can't find entry level employees and this would open up the candidate pool. Pot affects the work place in one place almost exclusively - absentism and we already have a policy for that. Unless someone smokes in the parking lot before work, they won't be impaired. FTR - I don't smoke.
 

bornaneer

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Its the number one cash crop in the state and has been for years. We need to legalize it and reap the profits.
 

BigLickMountee

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We could choose to lead. Given our location and access to essentially the entire eastern seaboard, we could have been bold and made a move to be the Colorado of the east. We could have scaled up production, initiated research and extension programs for growers, put together and incubated a production and distribution infrastructure that would have put us ahead of everyone else east of the Mississippi river.

What am I saying? I lost myself at "we could choose to lead." Not in this state. Not now, not ever.
oh the irony of WV turning to wanting to get high to impact its economy when the high from other drugs crushes its economy even more.

I support the legalization of pot. I just find it humorous folks would turn to pot as some sort of economic machine just waiting for a political leader to usher it into the state. Dope sales in Colorado brought in between $65 to $112 million in 2014. This is between .6 and 1.2 of expected general revenue. It is better than nothing for a state like WV, however, there is another price to pay. Colorado had 100 percent increase in traffic fatalities from 2007-2012 testing positive for MJ, youth increased their use to 39% where the national average in 7, school expulsion increased to 32% (vast majority where MJ related), adult use in CO is 42% higher than the national average of 18%, 57% ER visits related to MJ, 82% increase in hospitalizations involving MJ, Denver had a 45% increase in ER visits over the rest of CO related to MJ, MJ exposure to children 0-5 years old increased 268%, over the last 11 years MJ was one of the top three reasons for treatment admissions (ETOH, MJ, and Amphetamines), diversion of MJ from CO to 40 others states exploded to 397%, the average pounds of MJ diverted increased 33%, US mail seizure increased to 1280%, crime increased 6.7%, pet poisoning increased 4 fold, and potency increased 3.9%.

I'd be interested in studies of other states as well.

So for the amount of economic gain to the state it likely was absorbed by the cost of care, deaths, etc. related to its use. It is not a benign drug but neither is alcohol. People want to get high and should be allowed to with the understanding of the toll it takes on society (and their bodies) or even if WV became the Colorado of the east.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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oh the irony of WV turning to wanting to get high to impact its economy when the high from other drugs crushes its economy even more.

I support the legalization of pot. I just find it humorous folks would turn to pot as some sort of economic machine just waiting for a political leader to usher it into the state. Dope sales in Colorado brought in between $65 to $112 million in 2014. This is between .6 and 1.2 of expected general revenue. It is better than nothing for a state like WV, however, there is another price to pay. Colorado had 100 percent increase in traffic fatalities from 2007-2012 testing positive for MJ, youth increased their use to 39% where the national average in 7, school expulsion increased to 32% (vast majority where MJ related), adult use in CO is 42% higher than the national average of 18%, 57% ER visits related to MJ, 82% increase in hospitalizations involving MJ, Denver had a 45% increase in ER visits over the rest of CO related to MJ, MJ exposure to children 0-5 years old increased 268%, over the last 11 years MJ was one of the top three reasons for treatment admissions (ETOH, MJ, and Amphetamines), diversion of MJ from CO to 40 others states exploded to 397%, the average pounds of MJ diverted increased 33%, US mail seizure increased to 1280%, crime increased 6.7%, pet poisoning increased 4 fold, and potency increased 3.9%.

I'd be interested in studies of other states as well.

So for the amount of economic gain to the state it likely was absorbed by the cost of care, deaths, etc. related to its use. It is not a benign drug but neither is alcohol. People want to get high and should be allowed to with the understanding of the toll it takes on society (and their bodies) or even if WV became the Colorado of the east.
Why is someone going to the ER while on pot? It's not like they can overdose.
 

moe

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oh the irony of WV turning to wanting to get high to impact its economy when the high from other drugs crushes its economy even more.

I support the legalization of pot. I just find it humorous folks would turn to pot as some sort of economic machine just waiting for a political leader to usher it into the state. Dope sales in Colorado brought in between $65 to $112 million in 2014. This is between .6 and 1.2 of expected general revenue. It is better than nothing for a state like WV, however, there is another price to pay. Colorado had 100 percent increase in traffic fatalities from 2007-2012 testing positive for MJ, youth increased their use to 39% where the national average in 7, school expulsion increased to 32% (vast majority where MJ related), adult use in CO is 42% higher than the national average of 18%, 57% ER visits related to MJ, 82% increase in hospitalizations involving MJ, Denver had a 45% increase in ER visits over the rest of CO related to MJ, MJ exposure to children 0-5 years old increased 268%, over the last 11 years MJ was one of the top three reasons for treatment admissions (ETOH, MJ, and Amphetamines), diversion of MJ from CO to 40 others states exploded to 397%, the average pounds of MJ diverted increased 33%, US mail seizure increased to 1280%, crime increased 6.7%, pet poisoning increased 4 fold, and potency increased 3.9%.

I'd be interested in studies of other states as well.

So for the amount of economic gain to the state it likely was absorbed by the cost of care, deaths, etc. related to its use. It is not a benign drug but neither is alcohol. People want to get high and should be allowed to with the understanding of the toll it takes on society (and their bodies) or even if WV became the Colorado of the east.
I have a question or comment on about every stat you present, they seem sketchy, massaged and dated, no idea what your source is. Obviously you can have cannabis in your system and not be under the influence. Anyways, people are already smoking it, this is a matter of who you buy it from and the legality of the transaction. WV being a much smaller state with lower population couldn't produce the revenue and taxes from the legal sale that CO does but the money numbers are higher than what you indicate (see link above). None of this really matters particularly now with an even more conservative legislature in charge, we struggle to even get industrial hemp going.
 

moe

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Hoppy's Commentary | May 18, 2016 at 12:34AM

It’s a mere coincidence, but just as West Virginia lawmakers are struggling through a special session to figure out how to plug a $270 million hole in next year’s budget, the non-partisan Tax Foundation has released a study showing where states can find millions of dollars in new revenue—legalized marijuana sales for recreational and/or medicinal purposes.

“A mature marijuana industry could generate up to $28 billion in tax revenues for federal, state, and local governments,” the Foundation reports.

Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and the District of Columbia have all legalized pot sales and more states are thinking about it because of the money and the changing mores about marijuana. The Tax Foundation reports tax collections in Washington and Colorado—the only two states that have had legalized sales for an extended period of time–have exceeded expectations.

Colorado taxes pot three ways: a 2.9 percent general sales tax, a special 10 percent tax on marijuana sales and a 15 percent excise tax on marijuana at the wholesale level, and the money has been pouring in. Colorado now collects more taxes from pot than alcohol.

The Denver Post reported that Colorado collected $135 million in taxes and fees from nearly $1 billion in marijuana sales in 2015. “These are amazing numbers, especially on the revenue side,” Steve Fox, who helped draft the pot-legalization amendment, told the Post.

Washington state collected nearly $70 million in taxes from pot sales last fiscal year, nearly twice what was projected. However, sales have started to slow since neighboring Oregon began legalized pot sales last fall. That’s reminiscent of when West Virginia legalized additional forms of gambling before surrounding states, providing a revenue windfall that is now declining.

Citizens Against Legalizing Marijuana (CALM) argues states should not be tempted by the money, even if a portion of the revenue is dedicated to popular services such as public education.

“The idea of drugging for education certainly is a provocative one for any pot smoker: every joint you smoke is helping some poor kids in school,” said CALM in a recent post on its website. “Sadly, this is a deluded idea that has no basis in reality.”

It’s difficult to imagine the West Virginia Legislature giving any serious thought to pot legalization. The more conservative House of Delegates would only pass the “brunch bill” legalizing Sunday morning alcohol sales if a county referendum provision was attached.

But other states are not so squeamish. At least 20 states will have some form of marijuana legalization measure on the November ballot. The Tax Foundation estimates that “If all states legalized and taxed marijuana, states could collectively expect to raise between $5 billion and $18 billion per year.”

That’s a temptingly large pot of money for states that are hard up for another steady stream of revenue.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Hoppy's Commentary | May 18, 2016 at 12:34AM

It’s a mere coincidence, but just as West Virginia lawmakers are struggling through a special session to figure out how to plug a $270 million hole in next year’s budget, the non-partisan Tax Foundation has released a study showing where states can find millions of dollars in new revenue—legalized marijuana sales for recreational and/or medicinal purposes.

“A mature marijuana industry could generate up to $28 billion in tax revenues for federal, state, and local governments,” the Foundation reports.

Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and the District of Columbia have all legalized pot sales and more states are thinking about it because of the money and the changing mores about marijuana. The Tax Foundation reports tax collections in Washington and Colorado—the only two states that have had legalized sales for an extended period of time–have exceeded expectations.

Colorado taxes pot three ways: a 2.9 percent general sales tax, a special 10 percent tax on marijuana sales and a 15 percent excise tax on marijuana at the wholesale level, and the money has been pouring in. Colorado now collects more taxes from pot than alcohol.

The Denver Post reported that Colorado collected $135 million in taxes and fees from nearly $1 billion in marijuana sales in 2015. “These are amazing numbers, especially on the revenue side,” Steve Fox, who helped draft the pot-legalization amendment, told the Post.

Washington state collected nearly $70 million in taxes from pot sales last fiscal year, nearly twice what was projected. However, sales have started to slow since neighboring Oregon began legalized pot sales last fall. That’s reminiscent of when West Virginia legalized additional forms of gambling before surrounding states, providing a revenue windfall that is now declining.

Citizens Against Legalizing Marijuana (CALM) argues states should not be tempted by the money, even if a portion of the revenue is dedicated to popular services such as public education.

“The idea of drugging for education certainly is a provocative one for any pot smoker: every joint you smoke is helping some poor kids in school,” said CALM in a recent post on its website. “Sadly, this is a deluded idea that has no basis in reality.”

It’s difficult to imagine the West Virginia Legislature giving any serious thought to pot legalization. The more conservative House of Delegates would only pass the “brunch bill” legalizing Sunday morning alcohol sales if a county referendum provision was attached.

But other states are not so squeamish. At least 20 states will have some form of marijuana legalization measure on the November ballot. The Tax Foundation estimates that “If all states legalized and taxed marijuana, states could collectively expect to raise between $5 billion and $18 billion per year.”

That’s a temptingly large pot of money for states that are hard up for another steady stream of revenue.
Anyone against pot but has no issue with the litany of prescription drugs on the market is a disingenuous ***.
 

WVUBRU

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Anyone against pot but has no issue with the litany of prescription drugs on the market is a disingenuous ***.
I'm against pot being legal and have big problems with the abuse of prescription drugs. I'm not sure who doesn't except for those breaking the law.
 

mneilmont

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In my 75 years, I have never smoked pot. But, stealing a line from Winston, I have drank enough to float a battleship. Is there a difference?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I'm against pot being legal and have big problems with the abuse of prescription drugs. I'm not sure who doesn't except for those breaking the law.
At least you are consistent, on this issue anyway.

I've yet to see the compelling argument for why pot is bad, but alcohol is ok.
 

BigLickMountee

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I have a question or comment on about every stat you present, they seem sketchy, massaged and dated, no idea what your source is. Obviously you can have cannabis in your system and not be under the influence. Anyways, people are already smoking it, this is a matter of who you buy it from and the legality of the transaction. WV being a much smaller state with lower population couldn't produce the revenue and taxes from the legal sale that CO does but the money numbers are higher than what you indicate (see link above). None of this really matters particularly now with an even more conservative legislature in charge, we struggle to even get industrial hemp going.

The perception of sketchy, massaged, and dated stats presented came from the PDF "The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado. The Impact" at http://www.rmhidta.org/html/august 2014 legalization of mj in colorado the impact.pdf. It has other interesting information. So as much as they appear sketchy, massaged, and dated, the author of the PDF did all that if they really are. As far as the money WV would bring in, let me say it again, I support legalizing pot in spite of even what the National Institutes on Drug Abuse says about ER visits, etc. at their web site https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/drug-related-hospital-emergency-room-visits where money brought in covers ER visits of the uninsured, etc.

I treat effects of pot on the body or society no different than I treat alcohol, driving, tobacco use, helmet use for motorcyclists, etc. There are going to be people who abuse things and I will try to treat the outcome. There will be people who will not abuse things and I will not treat as much. I treat liver disease, dementia, neuropathy, and erection difficulties caused by alcohol abuse. I don't treat these things where alcohol is not abused. I treat COPD, heart disease, stoke, and erectile dysfunction from tobacco use. Very rare have I not treated these things in people who smoke occasionally. Tobacco is bad in any amount. I have yet to treat someone not using a helmet. I respect the law stating they don't have to use one, at least here in TX.

It does matter. We can and will legalize pot in WV. People want to get high. We just have to accept the outcome of abuse or other behaviors, such as exporting it to other states, which isn't really different than alcohol's history. There are other parallel comparisons justifying legalizing pot. Pot isn't benign nor is alcohol, tobacco, or obesity for that matter and if all of those are legal pot should be too.

Not sure if the links work because I am on a computer that at one time wouldn't support Rivals.
 

moe

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The perception of sketchy, massaged, and dated stats presented came from the PDF "The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado. The Impact" at http://www.rmhidta.org/html/august 2014 legalization of mj in colorado the impact.pdf. It has other interesting information. So as much as they appear sketchy, massaged, and dated, the author of the PDF did all that if they really are. As far as the money WV would bring in, let me say it again, I support legalizing pot in spite of even what the National Institutes on Drug Abuse says about ER visits, etc. at their web site https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/drug-related-hospital-emergency-room-visits where money brought in covers ER visits of the uninsured, etc.

I treat effects of pot on the body or society no different than I treat alcohol, driving, tobacco use, helmet use for motorcyclists, etc. There are going to be people who abuse things and I will try to treat the outcome. There will be people who will not abuse things and I will not treat as much. I treat liver disease, dementia, neuropathy, and erection difficulties caused by alcohol abuse. I don't treat these things where alcohol is not abused. I treat COPD, heart disease, stoke, and erectile dysfunction from tobacco use. Very rare have I not treated these things in people who smoke occasionally. Tobacco is bad in any amount. I have yet to treat someone not using a helmet. I respect the law stating they don't have to use one, at least here in TX.

It does matter. We can and will legalize pot in WV. People want to get high. We just have to accept the outcome of abuse or other behaviors, such as exporting it to other states, which isn't really different than alcohol's history. There are other parallel comparisons justifying legalizing pot. Pot isn't benign nor is alcohol, tobacco, or obesity for that matter and if all of those are legal pot should be too.

Not sure if the links work because I am on a computer that at one time wouldn't support Rivals.
The links work. My primary interest and the time frame (2015) of the linked article is the period since it was legalized in CO in Jan. 2014. Your shorthand version of the summary notes caused some things to be lost in translation so I'm ok with my earlier description of your original linkless post but your sources are fine. None of the stats that you provided from the Colorado specific link were collected prior to CO legalization and the NIH link was updated in 2011. The info is all very interesting and may show trends, etc. but it doesn't cover the time period since legalization which I think is an important demarcation.
 

BigLickMountee

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not sure what your point at me is regarding the information linked. The information covers 2006 to 2013 and discussed the impact of MJ on CO. The executive summary also discusses the period of data since MJ was legalized, first as medical MJ up to recreational era. The NIH link was only used to highlight ER visits do occur involving MJ.

My point is legalize MJ to satisfy the greater desire to get high but expect societal changes from legalizing it, which the article outlines.