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I am pulling 100% for North to win 1AA. They were seeded properly. The Comets got the short end of the stick. I think the second round game on the road is just as unfair as having Tarboro in round three.

Much respect to you btango but in order to win State you have to play the teams that are in front of you. With all that talent North Stanly has it shouldn't be any problem for them to go on the road and play anyone. West Montgomery made it to the third round last year in the East without a first round bye. And went on the road to do so. AND they didn't have 6 potential college signees. North will be lucky to get past their 2nd round game. If they do....well, let's just say they'll have 3 playoff wins in school history to brag about moving forward. And yes, North Stanly's history definitely played into their seed. All kidding aside, had it been a "real" school as opposed to one that brought in players the seeding would have been better. Respect is earned, not recruited. Like it or not that had to have played a part in their placement.
 

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The NCHSAA determines the initial conferences but they take proposals from the member schools, especially in the appeals phase. I remember when Carter proposed the mega conference. If I remember correctly, he asked for a mega conference with something like 14-16 teams from the area, both 1A and 2A. Regular season would have featured conference games against both 1A and 2A teams but there would have been separate conference tournaments for 1A and 2A in all sports except football. When that idea was shot down MA/ES proposed a 1A conference with the 1As from the MVAC along with ES & MA and a 2A conference with the 2As from MVAC along with Forbush, SCentral, and NSurry. The MVAC schools wanted to stay in their split conference instead. I can’t say that I blame them. The current setup allows them to take advantage of getting a “1 seed” in many sports without winning their conference. Why go to a straight 1A where you only have 1 shot at a 1seed when you can stay in a split conference and have 2shots at it (either win the conference outright or just be the top 1A team). I think even you’d agree that the state is wrong to allow a team from a split conference with a sub .500 overall record to get the #2 OVERALL seed in the region over teams with 9-2 and 8-3 overall records who are ranked higher.
Who has a sub .500 over all record with a #2 seed? 1AA has 4 sub .500 teams and 1A has 6 all are low seeded.
 

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Who has a sub .500 over all record with a #2 seed? 1AA has 4 sub .500 teams and 1A has 6 all are low seeded.
Look at the brackets. Starmount got the #2 overall seed for the West in the 1AA bracket with a record of 5-6. They didn’t win their conference but they get their conferences “1 seed” because they are in a split conference and were the top 1A team.
 

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And yes, North Stanly's history definitely played into their seed. All kidding aside, had it been a "real" school as opposed to one that brought in players the seeding would have been better. Respect is earned, not recruited. Like it or not that had to have played a part in their placement.

You either have zero knowledge about how seedings work or you are just having a go at North fans. That is fine but when you post non factual info people will believe that, so don’t.

This is all numbers. Nothing to do with last year or who is on the team or who the coach is. Seen crazy scenarios play out before and they will happen again.
 
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Yeah my bad NWWatchdog I for some reason didn't click on them when I was looking. I agree it doesn't make sense. But also for some reason Maxprep rankings both the one on thier site and the adjusted had Starmount ranked above teams with better records. They must think they play in a tough conference or something because they were 5-2 in their conference and they give them one of the best strength of schedule numbers. But it seems to go against thier own rules unless I'm just reading it wrong....
NOTE: The highest finishing team in its half of a split conference must finish in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place overall and/or have an overall winning percentage of .500 or higher in order to be seeded as a #1. Otherwise, the team will be seeded with all other at-large teams. I mean to me "at-large" is a reference to the lower seed teams that just go in.
 
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You either have zero knowledge about how seedings work or you are just having a go at North fans. That is fine but when you post non factual info people will believe that, so don’t.

This is all numbers. Nothing to do with last year or who is on the team or who the coach is. Seen crazy scenarios play out before and they will happen again.
You either have zero knowledge about how seedings work or you are just having a go at North fans. That is fine but when you post non factual info people will believe that, so don’t.

This is all numbers. Nothing to do with last year or who is on the team or who the coach is. Seen crazy scenarios play out before and they will happen again.


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You are correct he has issues with NS. He has been crying all season because there best player in the history of west mont transferred to NS. He never has facts,only trying to push neg comments!on to NS. Every time he text a message he is trying to Talk like he has a clue. Hahaha. He doesn’t have a clue
 

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I agree with you watchdog, the old blue ridge 1A teams do not want any part of being in the same conference as mount airy and east surry. By and large get thumped by them in every sport on a year to year basis. Why subject yourself to that when the current setup is more advantageous.
 
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You are correct he has issues with NS. He has been crying all season because there best player in the history of west mont transferred to NS. He never has facts,only trying to push neg comments!on to NS. Every time he text a message he is trying to Talk like he has a clue. Hahaha. He doesn’t have a clue

Best player in West Montgomery history? Not even in the top 20. The other thread was locked for some reason or another. He's a good athlete. We will see how that translates to the next level if it does. Between your lack of grammar and lack of football knowledge you don't have a clue. And yes, btango, I know how the seeding is done and I was having a go at North Stanly. It's a message board. Last time the fun police took over this board was a ghost town. Not sure banning everyone that throws jabs at opponents or rivals worked out so good in the past. But whatever. North Stanly will be lucky to get past the second round. Now that's a FACT.
 

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Best player in West Montgomery history? Not even in the top 20. The other thread was locked for some reason or another. He's a good athlete. We will see how that translates to the next level if it does. Between your lack of grammar and lack of football knowledge you don't have a clue. And yes, btango, I know how the seeding is done and I was having a go at North Stanly. It's a message board. Last time the fun police took over this board was a ghost town. Not sure banning everyone that throws jabs at opponents or rivals worked out so good in the past. But whatever. North Stanly will be lucky to get past the second round. Now that's a FACT.
 

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Best player in West Montgomery history? Not even in the top 20. The other thread was locked for some reason or another. He's a good athlete. We will see how that translates to the next level if it does. Between your lack of grammar and lack of football knowledge you don't have a clue. And yes, btango, I know how the seeding is done and I was having a go at North Stanly. It's a message board. Last time the fun police took over this board was a ghost town. Not sure banning everyone that throws jabs at opponents or rivals worked out so good in the past. But whatever. North Stanly will be lucky to get past the second round. Now that's a FACT.


Good talk Dead Pool. NS might not get out of 1st or 2nd round. But at least we in the dance. Please tell me again what time you guys play this week. And the way you act about DJ Rhône I believe he is the Best West Mont has ever produced. If there is better they should be a long list of them in college. Where is that list. You judge a good coaching staff by how the players do after high school and how you taught them To be men. That’s the message NS coaches try to send
 
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Here's what you can do since you'll soon have plenty of free time. Come over to West Montgomery and look at the Trophy Room. Not shelf. Room. You will see dozens and dozens of players that went onto play college football and one that played in the NFL. Several that played in Canada and one that played professional baseball and has memorabilia from an AA All Star Game in the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Maybe when they close the school they'll let you help move the Trophies to another location since that's the only way you'll ever have your hands on any. But, I can honestly say that in the 57 year history of West Montgomery I don't believe they ever had so many potential Division 1 players on the roster at the same time. Damn shame if that juggernaut North Stanly team doesn't win State this year. It's their ONLY chance. Ever. Best of Luck!! As far as West Montgomery not making the playoffs, let's just say it's a feeling that we aren't used to and one that you had most of the history of your school. Two playoff wins in the history of your school and you are clamoring like you are the freaking Green Bay Packers of old. Make sure you are on here next week or the week after. I'll be on here to let you know all the recruiting done meant nothing.
 

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Btango
You are correct he has issues with NS. He has been crying all season because there best player in the history of west mont transferred to NS. He never has facts,only trying to push neg comments!on to NS. Every time he text a message he is trying to Talk like he has a clue. Hahaha. He doesn’t have a clue
I was told by the parent of a close friend and former teammate at WM, that Rhone left WM because of his dislike of the coaching ( the same coaching deadpool refers to as a clown show) philosophy of basically direct snapping to Rhone in a wildcat scheme every play. He chose to live with his father and play at North Stanly where a more favorable opportunity existed. Obviously legal under the rules , just as it was legal when WM benefited from a very good player/kid Williams left NS and played linebacker the previous 2 seasons. This is all 2nd hand information , so I wont say it is "FACT", but most likely true. DPX is just taking a go at NS and it definitely makes the boards more popular, but as Im sure btango and mitchell county mountie can attest , they have seen this act before on the other board until the 2nd "retirement"/sign off.
 

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Same kid and still waiting on that top 20 list from DeadpoolX.
I’m no fan of DPX and his tactics of hyperbole and half - truths , but he could most likely get a top 20 list ( that I agree with ) and I’m an EM guy. There have been many , many great players at WM.
 

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Not being from West Montgomery I really would like to see DeadpoolX’s list. Other than the Capel kid who played at App the only other one on the list that I’m sure of would be an old friend of mine Eddie Poole.
 

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Not being from West Montgomery I really would like to see DeadpoolX’s list. Other than the Capel kid who played at App the only other one on the list that I’m sure of would be an old friend of mine Eddie Poole.
Capel, Poole, Tyrone Horne , Drake , Horne/Leake, Jordan , Little , right off the top of my head and I’m in a parking lot and on the other side of county , so there are most likely many many more that I don't know of or can think of , I’m sure he can .
 

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Same kid and still waiting on that top 20 list from DeadpoolX.

To start off with you'd have to include former NFL player Dwaine Carpenter. That's where I'd start. To fill in the list of 20 better players it took about 5 seconds of thinking to come up with it. Many of these players have had their sons play as well.

I'll start with the last names of families that have had multiple players play make Conf. POY, All Conference, some All State and some have played in college or currently are.

Gooch, Swan, Callicutt, Dozier.

Ray Charles Young
Benny Baldwin
KT Young
Jackie Baldwin
JJ Little
Lewis Tyson
Ricky Gethers
David Allsbrook
Marquis Powell
Brad Absher
Steve Hammonds
Yancey Vanhoy
Chad Tedder
Tony Steele
Terrence Horne

That's just off the top of my head. These are players that played college, won Conference POY or multiple All Conference awards. West Montgomery has a rich and storied history. By saying that player that left is the best player to come through West Montgomery was an asinine statement. He'd be in the top 50 maybe. This isn't North Stanly. Winning has been a tradition West Montgomery. Not an anomaly
 
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To start off with you'd have to include former NFL player Dwaine Carpenter. That's where I'd start. To fill in the list of 20 better players it took about 5 seconds of thinking to come up with it. Many of these players have had their sons play as well.

I'll start with the last names of families that have had multiple players play make Conf. POY, All Conference, some All State and some have played in college or currently are.

Gooch, Swan, Callicutt, Dozier.

Ray Charles Little
Benny Baldwin
KT Young
Jackie Baldwin
JJ Little
Lewis Tyson
Ricky Gethers
David Allsbrook
Marquis Powell
Brad Absher
Steve Hammonds
Yancey Vanhoy
Chad Tedder
Tony Steele
Terrence Horne

That's just off the top of my head. These are players that played college, won Conference POY or multiple All Conference awards. West Montgomery has a rich and storied history. By saying that player that left is the best player to come through West Montgomery was an asinine statement. He'd be in the top 50 maybe. This isn't North Stanly. Winning has been a tradition West Montgomery. Not an anomaly
To start off with you'd have to include former NFL player Dwaine Carpenter. That's where I'd start. To fill in the list of 20 better players it took about 5 seconds of thinking to come up with it. Many of these players have had their sons play as well.

I'll start with the last names of families that have had multiple players play make Conf. POY, All Conference, some All State and some have played in college or currently are.

Gooch, Swan, Callicutt, Dozier.

Ray Charles Little
Benny Baldwin
KT Young
Jackie Baldwin
JJ Little
Lewis Tyson
Ricky Gethers
David Allsbrook
Marquis Powell
Brad Absher
Steve Hammonds
Yancey Vanhoy
Chad Tedder
Tony Steele
Terrence Horne

That's just off the top of my head. These are players that played college, won Conference POY or multiple All Conference awards. West Montgomery has a rich and storied history. By saying that player that left is the best player to come through West Montgomery was an asinine statement. He'd be in the top 50 maybe. This isn't North Stanly. Winning has been a tradition West Montgomery. Not an anomaly


Ray Charles Young, not Little
 

fringe1

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2013 WM squad had 6 players go on to play in college. Two at D-1 level and both still playing as redshirt seniors.
 

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I agree with you watchdog, the old blue ridge 1A teams do not want any part of being in the same conference as mount airy and east surry. By and large get thumped by them in every sport on a year to year basis. Why subject yourself to that when the current setup is more advantageous.

There isn’t anyone at or affiliated with Starmount that is scared or avoiding East Surry or Mt Airy in any sport. Have they had 2 or 3 rough years in football? Yes. Will they go toe to toe in any sport with those two self proclaimed “powerhouses” all day? You bet.

Deana already said the AD at Starmount wanted to go back to a version of the old NW1a. They would rather play ES and MA than have to play Ashe and WC. The travel and gate money aren’t even close. Not only that, but look how many more conference titles they won while in the same conference as those two big scary teams.
 
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There isn’t anyone at or affiliated with Starmount that is scared or avoiding East Surry or Mt Airy in any sport. Have they had 2 or 3 rough years in football? Yes. Will they go toe to toe in any sport with those two self proclaimed “powerhouses” all day? You bet.

Deana already said the AD at Starmount wanted to go back to a version of the old NW1a. They would rather play ES and MA than have to play Ashe and WC. The travel and gate money aren’t even close. Not only that, but look how many more conference titles they won while in the same conference as those two big scary teams.
Definitely not scared seeing how we still schedule each other in non conference
 

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Definitely not scared seeing how we still schedule each other in non conference

And the money difference between games that actually matter vs preseason non conference games is probably huge. Conference games with Elkin, ES, MA and Starmount have packed houses. Those crowds for W-S Prep and West Wilkes just aren’t bringing the same cash.
 

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Eddie Swan looks like he could suit up today. Eddie Poole was special.

T. Horne hit for the home run cycle in minor league baseball. Never replicated in professional baseball as far as I know.
 

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Eddie Swan looks like he could suit up today. Eddie Poole was special.

T. Horne hit for the home run cycle in minor league baseball. Never replicated in professional baseball as far as I know.

It was in a AA All Star Game if I recall. And...it's never been done. Yes, Eddie is a beast still today. 4yds started a discussion about big boy football and that's a conversation that no one affiliated with North Stanly has any business being in. Much less commenting on who the best player to ever come through West Montgomery was. Enjoy the playoffs this year 4yds. You go back to being bottom feeders again next season.
 

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The only teams in the NW conference that would win against the old blue rdge teams is East Surry and Mt.Airy..and in some years they would lose some as well as they have before in the past. Evryone else in the NW conference is garbage...and I mean everyone. Lets not forget there were years when East Surry and Mt.Airy couldn't match up with Starmount and Elkin...hence look at all the Elkin titles..not taking a thing away from Mt.Airy and East Surry..but top to bottom the conference is every bit as weak as the MVAC..probably weaker honestly. East Surry and Mt.Airy make up for everyone else in that horrid conference...MVAC is mad weak as well though.
 
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But they are good team deserving of the seed they got. Mitchell is where they should be, Murphy and TJ should be flipped IMO...
Question, under the old system of seeding teams for the playoffs, would TJ have not been the #1 seed? Undefeated, conference champs. Murphy at 9-1, dropping 1 non-conference loss making them 9-0, would still leave them 2 games short of TJ, and make them the #2 seed with Mitchell the #3 seed.

An undefeated, 11-0, team should be ranked 1st, when there isn't any other team with an equal or better record in 1A football, whether or not some personally think that Mitchell and Murphy are better...That will likely be truly decided in the playoffs...Or maybe Robbinsville will upset TJ...But either way, TJ is seeded where they should be given their record.
 

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Question, under the old system of seeding teams for the playoffs, would TJ have not been the #1 seed? Undefeated, conference champs. Murphy at 9-1, dropping 1 non-conference loss making them 9-0, would still leave them 2 games short of TJ, and make them the #2 seed with Mitchell the #3 seed.

An undefeated, 11-0, team should be ranked 1st, when there isn't any other team with an equal or better record in 1A football, whether or not some personally think that Mitchell and Murphy are better...That will likely be truly decided in the playoffs...Or maybe Robbinsville will upset TJ...But either way, TJ is seeded where they should be given their record.
Well with the rules as they are TJ being#1 is a little confusing but then again the whole thing is confusing. But in the nchsaa rules TJ won thier conference automatic bid, and so did Murphy and like it or not Mitchell while 2nd in the conference won the 1a in a split conference which is still an automatic bid. Now you get into the rankings for seeding and like it or not strength of schedule plays a big role in rankings. But here's the confusing part this year Maxprep last rankings had Mitchell 5 Murphy 7 TJ 8 while no one know Maxprep computer formula they list str which was Mitchell -2.7 Murphy -13.1 TJ -15.9. But for some reason when it went to the nchsaa adjusted Maxprep rankings TJ 5 Mitchell 7 Murphy 8. But end of the day you got to play the games your dealt and I'm just glad that if Mitchell & Murphy both make it to the 3rd round I don't have to drive 6 hours round trip lol.
 

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The only teams in the NW conference that would win against the old blue rdge teams is East Surry and Mt.Airy..and in some years they would lose some as well as they have before in the past. Evryone else in the NW conference is garbage...and I mean everyone. Lets not forget there were years when East Surry and Mt.Airy couldn't match up with Starmount and Elkin...hence look at all the Elkin titles..not taking a thing away from Mt.Airy and East Surry..but top to bottom the conference is every bit as weak as the MVAC..probably weaker honestly. East Surry and Mt.Airy make up for everyone else in that horrid conference...MVAC is mad weak as well though.

One thing is incorrect in your statement here Print. During the Elkin state titles Mt Airy was down for them which was still 8 or 9 Win seasons and East Surry was the conference champions during two of those Elkin titles in the early 2000’s. As a matter of fact in 2003 I think Elkin was third in the conference behind East Surry and Starmount. I do agree that the NW 1A is very weak and the MVAC and WPC may be even worse. Like you said the only thing that keeps the NW conference above water is East Surry and Mt Airy.
 
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It was in a AA All Star Game if I recall. And...it's never been done. Yes, Eddie is a beast still today. 4yds started a discussion about big boy football and that's a conversation that no one affiliated with North Stanly has any business being in. Much less commenting on who the best player to ever come through West Montgomery was. Enjoy the playoffs this year 4yds. You go back to being bottom feeders again next season.


It was a regular season Double A game. He was in the Cardinals organization. He won the home run derby in their all star game that season.

I am pretty sure his name is Tyrone not Terrence as was written but I may be wrong. I always called him coach or T. Several years ago he was hitting fungo in a JV game and missed the ball. A couple of the opposing players laughed (and he did a bit). The opposing coach called his kids over and lit into them informing them there was not a single one of them that could tote his jockstrap to the cleaners. When he told them about his accomplishments they were a bit dumbfounded. Good man!
 

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Now you get into the rankings for seeding and like it or not strength of schedule plays a big role in rankings. But here's the confusing part this year Maxprep last rankings had Mitchell 5 Murphy 7 TJ 8 while no one know Maxprep computer formula they list str which was Mitchell -2.7 Murphy -13.1 TJ -15.9. But for some reason when it went to the nchsaa adjusted Maxprep rankings TJ 5 Mitchell 7 Murphy 8. But end of the day you got to play the games your dealt and I'm just glad that if Mitchell & Murphy both make it to the 3rd round I don't have to drive 6 hours round trip lol.

When the point differential is removed across the board for every team it will make a difference as it multiplies itself. It is not only a negative for a team that rolls others but if they are beating a lot of good teams that have strong winning margins it is a double negative.
 

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An undefeated, 11-0, team should be ranked 1st, when there isn't any other team with an equal or better record in 1A football, whether or not some personally think that Mitchell and Murphy are better...That will likely be truly decided in the playoffs...Or maybe Robbinsville will upset TJ...But either way, TJ is seeded where they should be given their record.

Let's say there was a 1A team that played Mallard Creek, Wake Forest, and Dutch Fork. Lost all three but competed very well. Should they be ranked behind TJ and their schedule. That was the whole reason to look for a power poll option. Teams were refusing to play competitive non conference games as much as they wanted to pad the results to get the best possible seeds. The state even allowed the one game drop to try to improve this (if they played and 11th game). I want them to use the poll next year and use a 21 maximum point differential instead of one.
 

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The problem is, and will always be now, no one wants WS Prep or Bishop in the conference, and the NCHSAA has no where else to put them but in the NW1A with East Surry & Mount Airy.
 

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When the point differential is removed across the board for every team it will make a difference as it multiplies itself. It is not only a negative for a team that rolls others but if they are beating a lot of good teams that have strong winning margins it is a double negative.
After I posted my last comment I got to wondering about points scored even though supposedly this system now supposed to have taken that equation out so you wouldn't have teams running up scores but that wouldn't answer the rankings results ether because while TJ did score more points than Murphy, Murphy scored more than Mitchell.
 

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Let's say there was a 1A team that played Mallard Creek, Wake Forest, and Dutch Fork. Lost all three but competed very well. Should they be ranked behind TJ and their schedule. That was the whole reason to look for a power poll option. Teams were refusing to play competitive non conference games as much as they wanted to pad the results to get the best possible seeds. The state even allowed the one game drop to try to improve this (if they played and 11th game). I want them to use the poll next year and use a 21 maximum point differential instead of one.
Teams still generally shy away from playing teams above them in classifications because of the injury risk...Coaches don't want players to get injured, or put players at "more risk" of getting injured before conference play...At least I know that is one of the reasons Coach Cash chooses to play the teams out of conference that he does. And to those that complain about TJ because of their conference schedule, TJ doesn't exactly have a say in the conference they are in...Nor does any team.

And also, I think the main reason TJ is ranked above Mitchell and Murphy, is because of their win over 2AA North Lincoln in week 1 of the regular season. If they had lost the game, or just played a push over 1A team, they would very likely have been ranked below Murphy and Mitchell imho
 
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Youre wrong..Elkin dominated everyone in 2003...they had absolutely no close games and went 16-0 with one of the best defenses in the state ppg wise...Justin Billups had nearly 3000 yds rushing...They dominated East Surry and Starmount.