I'm not going to start anything, but many have tried it and had their experience with COVID shortened.
This is mostly celebrities.
I wouldn't post what I have to say, if I didn't find it true, nor constructive.
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This is mostly celebrities.
I wouldn't post what I have to say, if I didn't find it true, nor constructive.
Why wouldn't we have the same response then as we are now? Why wouldn't we just shut everything down again and shelter in place since it is working so well?
Several different news sources reporting the same thing. Linked to a pro-business site
Increased mortality
Increased mortality
We are kinda half-a$$ing it so far and people are already tired of it is the impression I get.
Serology tests are more helpful for using in a societal situation than a virus test.
Doctors use virus testing to identify and then treat a patient if they have the virus.
Doctors use serology testing to possibly use the serum of those testing positive for the antibody for a therapeutic helps of that serum to a critical patient.
However, society can use the serology tests to find out who is immune, total numbers of those immune as the overall percentage of people in an area to watch herd effect take effect.
It also lets people go to work,breathe easy
For society, the virus test has little value, it can tell you you've got the virus, and find you are now quarantined.
But, testing and then tracing is foolish. If someone tests positive, tracing back may work out, likely not.
How many potential could a person infect? If they're in their car, not many, on a subway, too many to actually trace, so, common sense tells us, tracing will rarely help, as those few who might get traced, they too get tested, then actually get the virus getting groceries.later after being tested the same day.
We need the serology tests to open up our economy faster and stronger, for our peace of mind.
Doctors use virus testing to identify and then treat a patient if they have the virus.
Doctors use serology testing to possibly use the serum of those testing positive for the antibody for a therapeutic helps of that serum to a critical patient.
However, society can use the serology tests to find out who is immune, total numbers of those immune as the overall percentage of people in an area to watch herd effect take effect.
It also lets people go to work,breathe easy
For society, the virus test has little value, it can tell you you've got the virus, and find you are now quarantined.
But, testing and then tracing is foolish. If someone tests positive, tracing back may work out, likely not.
How many potential could a person infect? If they're in their car, not many, on a subway, too many to actually trace, so, common sense tells us, tracing will rarely help, as those few who might get traced, they too get tested, then actually get the virus getting groceries.later after being tested the same day.
We need the serology tests to open up our economy faster and stronger, for our peace of mind.
If this works, I say the NCAA should restore Louisville's 2013 National Championship.
Unfortunately, the trials for this will likely take months if not years.
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Did you look at the paper?
Who would have guessed that the group with the highest Smoker %, Congestive Heart Failure %, Vascular Disease % (by a significant percentage), Chronic Pulmonary Disease %, Diabetic % would end up having the highest morbitity rate?
That's the problem with a lot of these study's. The doctors that made the treatment decisions made them with each patient in mind. The people that didnt get either of the drug combination were deemed to not need them.
Not saying that the drugs in question the best path forward, but stuff like this paper can be terribly misleading. IMO.
Serology tests aren't ready for prime time yet. Their numbers will be about as reliable as the Chinese government figures for now.
several of the largest health systems in the country either disagree or are willingly wasting their employees' precious, patient-facing time by exposing them to tests that 'aren't ready for prime time'.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...830d1e-7ccd-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html
I guess we'll just have to wait and see!
Yep, read that and others. It's not fully conclusive and more extensive testing is under way but this is the largest and best available study to date. And there have been other small studies that haven't shown any positive results. In fact, they even stopped a few due to increased mortality rate. There isn't a lot out there to endorse it other than a couple doctors giving it to some barely-sick patients and they survived. Who would have guessed?
Of course the study isn't definitive, and every report I've read about it clearly makes that point. But more favorable results wouldn't have been definitive either, and yet there would have been enough wood here to build everyone a house.
I'm just saying there are a lot of those test kits on the market that aren't approved and their accuracy can't be counted on. I expect a hospital like this to have the connections and resources to run their testing properly with the right kits. But I'm saying it's probably going to be several few weeks before this can get ramped up for the kind of mass testing needed throughout the entire country. Some people think that we have this capability right now. We simply don't.
Since the FDA issued the policy, over 70 test developers have notified the agency that they have serological tests available for use. However, some firms are falsely claiming that their serological tests are FDA approved or authorized, or falsely claiming that they can diagnose COVID-19. The FDA will take appropriate action against firms making false claims or marketing tests that are not accurate and reliable.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-serological-tests
Right from the fda. So, a business dies and potential other crimes likely charged as well.
It's a myth, some are afraid of the serology testing.
There is one fda test approved, but lab only, theyre testing before they open it all up.
I susoect by the end of the week or so.
https://www.fda.gov/media/136622/download
Aren’t farmers and truckers, expendable? If the really wanted a true shutdown the government should have made it so everyone and I mean everyone stay home.
Question on testing:
In nursing homes, testing for the virus, will more testing help?
The tests are somewhat inaccurate in that it takes a certain amount of virus built up in someone before it can be detected.
So, I guess my real question is, what is the time before detection and shedding?
Anyone have a study on this?
My point of the question is, if someones already shedding near the time it becomes detectable through testing, arent we simply chasing our tail by needing all this testing?
Also, I would, if anyone has one, like to see a study as to how much testing helps in keeping us safe, which is related to my other question.
I hope my questions get people to think about these things. Science are facts,studies,numbers,observations.
If people have any links to this,it would be helpful.
We know people are asymptomatic for days,how long before detection? How long before shedding? Is there overlap?
If there is overlap, we can't keep people safe, no matter what we do.
In nursing homes, testing for the virus, will more testing help?
The tests are somewhat inaccurate in that it takes a certain amount of virus built up in someone before it can be detected.
So, I guess my real question is, what is the time before detection and shedding?
Anyone have a study on this?
My point of the question is, if someones already shedding near the time it becomes detectable through testing, arent we simply chasing our tail by needing all this testing?
Also, I would, if anyone has one, like to see a study as to how much testing helps in keeping us safe, which is related to my other question.
I hope my questions get people to think about these things. Science are facts,studies,numbers,observations.
If people have any links to this,it would be helpful.
We know people are asymptomatic for days,how long before detection? How long before shedding? Is there overlap?
If there is overlap, we can't keep people safe, no matter what we do.
So far, I have found nothing on how soon a person can show positive on a test after likely first exposure to the virus.
So shelter in place orders were killling people. Basically stay at home and wait for the paddle wagon. Was in retrospect a bad decision. Well at least Cuomo wasn’t boarding people up in their Homes and burning them alive Like the people’s Republic of China. But his decisions to continue subway and mass transit and force his population to shelter at home both of which were the most contagious locations, for New Yorkers .wasn’t helpful. Hopefully going forward high density city’s like New York will be re built to prevent Pandemics like the Wuhan Flu. Future governors of that city must be very aware of the short comings of that City and make sure local taxes and any federal money goes into fixing these issues And as as a country we should no longer have these one size fit all policies in dealing with pandemics
A couple of interesting studies I read today. The first found that out of 318 outbreaks, only 1 occurred outdoors. All outbreaks of 3 or more people occurred indoors, and almost all of them occurred at home or public transportation.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1
However, another study of Super-Spreader events found transmission occurred in crowded, socially animated spaces - where people are in each other's faces, laughing, shouting, cheering, singing, etc.
https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/co...n-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/
So major sporting events would definitely be super-spreader events. It's hard to see sports being played with crowds anytime soon, unless you have everyone wear masks and maintain 6 feet of distance. I can't see stadiums packed with 90,000 people until we have some kind of proven treatment. I definitely can't see indoor sporting events with big crowds.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1
However, another study of Super-Spreader events found transmission occurred in crowded, socially animated spaces - where people are in each other's faces, laughing, shouting, cheering, singing, etc.
https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/co...n-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/
So major sporting events would definitely be super-spreader events. It's hard to see sports being played with crowds anytime soon, unless you have everyone wear masks and maintain 6 feet of distance. I can't see stadiums packed with 90,000 people until we have some kind of proven treatment. I definitely can't see indoor sporting events with big crowds.
If our best and brightest are on the virus, why taboo for our best and brightest in business?
Cdc botched first test roll out, likely businesses will botch some things too.
But, getting a few great ideas that can be applied accross varying businesses are out there, to keep us all safe.
Lets hope our brightest come up with something really good. On both counts.
Cdc botched first test roll out, likely businesses will botch some things too.
But, getting a few great ideas that can be applied accross varying businesses are out there, to keep us all safe.
Lets hope our brightest come up with something really good. On both counts.
Open the country back up. Shelter in place the folks that have underlying health issues and elderly. Spend the stimulus money helping those folks out. At some point what will have more of an impact on people... Shutting the economy down or the virus. Millions of people's lives are being ruined or turned upside down.
Rock and a hard place.
People without a job, with dependents , I think of them second.
The elderly and those with morbidities are first, and they need to shut down until a virus or a very effective therapy drug comes along.
The rest of us, until you're hurting, you aren't. Some of us see the hurt coming in their lives, others see it building up in our society because of the threats to our economy. Some are plain scared, and only think of being closed down, but they also aren't looking at the above mentioned, other than the aged .
As time goes along, before some who aren't hurting now, by the time they're truly hurting, great damage, unfixable damage may have occurred.
I wish I was as aware to to start things going, like the guy with the starting pistol in a dash race.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure everyones hurting is being told fairly and evenly.
I do know states will soon be laying off state workers, and the things they bring, like permits, licensing etc will have impact, as well as those living paycheck to paycheck who have those jobs, so hopefully the hurting will become more visable to some.
Might want to re-read this article. Says they had too few patients and that used in early stages of the virus had positive outcomes. They also had to terminate the study. That’s what I got from it anyways.
Try this
https://thermogenesis.com/rapid-covid-19-point-of-care-diagnostic-test/
As pink floyd said, just a little pinprick
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