Things that stood out to me at today's press conference

Rhavic

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Just wanted to go through a few things that stood out while listening to Stoops, Gran, and Hinshaw at today's presser:

Both coaches are very high on CJ Conrad:

This is important. If you under-utilize your tight ends, your offense can become barren, and Kentucky was prone to that last season. When asked which players have stood out immediately, both coaches couldn't help but let CJ Conrad's name slip out before saying the all resumes will be clean and everybody will get their shot if they earn it.
Conrad will become one of the premier tight ends in the country, probably next year. Terrific athlete, good size, very good blocker, regardless of where you put him, and catches the ball well. In a TE friendly offense that could see him coming off the LOS, or out of the backfield at the fullback position, Conrad should be excited about that.

Gran would describe our new, incoming offense as "pro-style":

Thank goodness, goodbye Air Raid. I've not been huge on that air raid mentality. To me, it's like living and dying by the 3 (We're Kentucky, never pass on the basketball terminology when it's applicable). I feel like the Air Raid would make it incredibly difficult for our offense to ever maintain any sort of consistency. Some days our QB and receivers will be hot, some days they won't. If you take away Baylor's running game (and it's very potent, and very underrated), I'm not convinced that they would be able to put up the passing numbers that they put up. That's the case with any great offense. We have the playmakers, we have the threats all over the field, they just have to be utilized appropriately. We need balance.

The offense will be balanced:

Gran started by saying some years, your offense will be 60% run, 40% pass, sometimes it will be 60% pass, 40% run, but you have to do what you can to make it 50-50. At Cincinnati, he did a good job of that, used Houston as an example of that. Houston had the tendency to play their safeties roughly 7 yards from the LOS, made it difficult to run the ball, so the QB had a big day. Wasn't the case for the significantly more talented Florida State during bowl season, despite having one of the best running backs in the country in Dalvin Cook. Gotta take what the defense gives you.

Hinshaw was very high on Drew Barker:

Recruited him while he was at Cincinnati. He said he's aware of the accolades that Barker has had, and they were all well deserved. When Barker did some QB exercises for Hinshaw, he loved everything about Barker as a quarterback. I'm really glad that Hinshaw knows exactly what he's getting out of Barker and is that excited. He knows what it takes for QB's to be good in the SEC. Coached a darn good one at Tennessee, despite Dooley being very unsuccessful overall at Tennesee, I don't think we can say that it was for lack of passing offense. This is all while starting a true freshman QB whenever he got there.

Despite staff being high on Barker, Kentucky is still pursuing a QB that can immediately challenge Barker as starting QB:

Enter Stephen Johnson II --- Is he highly ranked? Nah. 3 star QB per 247sports Composite. Hinshaw relayed to sources close to Johnson that he has evaluated 17 different QB's in the JUCO ranks alone. We as fans are already aware that Johnson is the one with the scholarship offer. I find the kid to have impressive film. He may not have as big of an arm as Barker, but he appears to have very solid accuracy on his intermediate throws, in the pocket, or on the run. Good enough to make him the #6 dual-threat QB out of JUCO, at least. Having a QB with his speed (Some have mentioned it's actually closer to 4.5 [rather than the 4.78 listed on his Hudl account], and they cite Rowland, which makes me believe it) in case your QB is going to run the ball.

Our QB will run the ball:

Gran and Hinshaw made this abundantly clear. The QB will run the ball from time to time. It'll be by design the full way through the play, or it will be by read-option. Obviously if Stephen Johnson comes to Kentucky, the edge will go to him in this department, but this is not a dynamic that we've taken advantage of in the past couple of seasons. If you have a team with speed, the read-option is an amazing tool, and we've had some good speed out of our backfield, with Patrick Towles, and Boom WIlliams. It will be a welcomed addition to our offense, I can't stress it enough. I also think this will help us defensively. We have coaches that genuinely know how to run the read-option correctly. If we bring in Stephen Johnson, we'll have a legitimate read-option QB, and that take our defense a long way in learning how to scheme for, and stop the read-option, which has easily been UK's biggest weakness on defense (and it isn't close).

We're retaining Derrick Ansley!:

Outstanding news. He got a promotion to Co-DC, and will get a raise. Some people cringe at the word "raise" for Kentucky, but shelling out money is the only way to become great in the SEC, and he's every bit of an SEC quality coach. He'll also be groomed into a defensive coordinator along the way. This move could help UK in a big way somewhere down the line in more ways than it immediately helps by just retaining him. He's proven to be an outstanding DB coach for us.

What are some of the things that stood out to you all? I'd love to hear any opinions that you all have!
 

JPFisher

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If what Stoops said is true that Eliot got HC offers, the Ansley promotion may be bigger than we realize here in a few years. I agree with you on that.
 
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docholiday51

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Gran is comfortable enough to poke fun at himself, you can see he has confidence in what he's doing. He believes it will work anywhere.

Hinshaw thinks he could make a QB out someone that has never even seen a football.

They work well together and enjoy working together.

They believe they can improve things here and understand this is the SEC and understand what that means.
 
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Comebakatz3

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I am too busy to look it up at the moment, can anyone give me a list of the quarterbacks that Hinshaw has worked with? I know Tyler Bray was one of them.
 

Rhavic

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Good stuff. Works for me.

In a nutshell, we've basically gone in the same direction Vanderbilt did after last season (defensive minded HC turning the keys over to an experienced and successful pro-style OC in Andy Ludwig) and going all in with a couple of young QBs.

We just need to see results a little faster than Vanderbilt did this year.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/spo...l-andy-ludwig-takes-control-offense/23635381/

More or less, Kentucky is definitely the more talented team offensively though, so theoretically, we should see better results much faster.
 
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JasonS.

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More or less, Kentucky is definitely the more talented team offensively though, so theoretically, we should see better results much faster.

Agreed, though Ralph Webb as good as an RB in the conference not named Henry, Fournette or Chubb and I really like the Shurmur kid at QB.
 

JPFisher

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Stoops does not get involved with the offense.

Uh, wait, that cannot be correct. So many here have said otherwise. WHat the what!

Maybe not offense directly, but game management. Ahead by a few scores and wanting to power run it to eat up clock when you don't plan for it and the offense is going to suffer. Calling plays? I doubt it as of now. Asking his OC to do a certain function that the OC may or may not be good at or prepared for is another thing entirely.

That's what I've meant all along when I feel like Stoops affected the offense. It's his job as HC to ask his OC to perform a certain function like slow down, speed up, eat up clock, and consult. Stoops even alluded to this, IMO, by saying (in the presser) that he does not do offense, but it is his job to run the team as a whole and consult with how to best manage the game.

Overall, regardless of how Stoops and Dawson worked out, I don't think we can expect the same relationship between Stoops and Gran. Should be much more in sync and enjoyable to watch.
 

Beatle Bum

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I think Stoops involvement with the offense was low and not the cause of the many 3-and-out ruts we experienced.
 
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Thanks for the write up OP. Calmed my nerves a bit . I think Gran's steady hand and prior working relationship with CMS is going to make this the most successful OC weve had under CMS. Having Ansley promoted as well makes me feel like we're going to have a cohesive and organized plan this coming season. Really hope Barker puts in the work this offseason and steps up to the next level!
 

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I personal think it's a mistake to go away from the Air Raid but since we never really ran it, I am okay with it
 

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Very impressed with both, coach Gran, and coach Hinshaw, they have a plan, and mold the offense to , the players talent, very Impressed, think coach Stoops was not involved in the offense like I thought ge was....call me a homer, but I'm excited about our team, and think we are gonna, do better than expected, not saying we are gonna win ,8 or 9 games!,but a bowl games is a very good possibility.
 
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Very impressed with both, coach Gran, and coach Hinshaw, they have a plan, and mold the offense to , the players talent, very Impressed, think coach Stoops was not involved in the offense like I thought ge was....call me a homer, but I'm excited about our team, and think we are gonna, do better than expected, not saying we are gonna win ,8 or 9 games!,but a bowl games is a very good possibility.
The fact that they have an actual plan rather than a gimmicky catch phrase may be what UK has needed all along.
 
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My fear is that it will take more than a season to implement the offense. We need better results in 2016 if the recruiting is going to continue to improve.
 
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The other tidbit from the press conference that OP mentioned but I want to emphasize: They will take what the defense gives them. Hallelujah! They will build the offense using their talent rather than a system that relies on a scheme whether we have the personnel to run it or not. Hallelujah! 10, 11, 12, 21 (not sure which number is used for what, but they will use 3 wide receivers and a tight end, two wide receivers and 2 tight ends, 1 wide receiver 2 tight ends and a running back or 1 running back and a fullback. I sensed they will run a lot of 2 tight end sets because they have 2 good ones (plus a promising transfer from Nebraska and a promising commitment) and we know the OT position is the Achilles heel of the offense.
 
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I feel good about the hire after watching the presser. Both guys seem to know what the H they're doing and will get the offense fixed. I just don't expect to see it come to fruition until 2017.
 
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There's no reason why the offensive guys can't 'get it' before the season starts. These aren't freshmen now, these are juniors and sophomores, with a couple seniors sprinkled in. Think the offense starts improving from game 1...which is not hard compared to where we ended up last year. What a cluster that was.
 
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i agree it will be better, but it likely won't be firing on all cylinders until 2017. One comment Gran made that was telling (I'm paraphrasing): this offense will be physical and fast. It's the only offense we'll be running so if you don't like it, well...." I expect Baker and a few other guys that dogged it too often to get better attitudes or we won't see them on the field much.
 

3kidsandme

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There's no reason why the offensive guys can't 'get it' before the season starts. These aren't freshmen now, these are juniors and sophomores, with a couple seniors sprinkled in. Think the offense starts improving from game 1...which is not hard compared to where we ended up last year. What a cluster that was.
We averaged 24 ppg which was down from 30 ppg the year before. I would be shocked if we average less than 30 ppg next year. We have alot of talent that Dawson just could not use properly
 
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... 10, 11, 12, 21 (not sure which number is used for what, but they will use 3 wide receivers and a tight end, two wide receivers and 2 tight ends, 1 wide receiver 2 tight ends and a running back or 1 running back and a fullback...

12 - the first number is the how many RB's (1) are in the personnel grouping. The second number is how many TE's (2) are in the grouping. Since there must be 5 O-linemen and almost always 1 QB in any given formation that leaves 5 positions for the RB,TE, WR personnel. 12 personnel is 1 RB & 2 TE so that leaves 2 WR in the personnel grouping. 10 is 1 + 0 = 1 subtracted from 5 = 4 WR plus the 1 RB.
 
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12 - the first number is the how many RB's (1) are in the personnel grouping. The second number is how many TE's (2) are in the grouping. Since there must be 5 O-linemen and almost always 1 QB in any given formation that leaves 5 positions for the RB,TE, WR personnel. 12 personnel is 1 RB & 2 TE so that leaves 2 WR in the personnel grouping. 10 is 1 + 0 = 1 subtracted from 5 = 4 WR plus the 1 RB.

Thanks RV for the info.
 

Poetax

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Just wanted to go through a few things that stood out while listening to Stoops, Gran, and Hinshaw at today's presser:

Both coaches are very high on CJ Conrad:

This is important. If you under-utilize your tight ends, your offense can become barren, and Kentucky was prone to that last season. When asked which players have stood out immediately, both coaches couldn't help but let CJ Conrad's name slip out before saying the all resumes will be clean and everybody will get their shot if they earn it.
Conrad will become one of the premier tight ends in the country, probably next year. Terrific athlete, good size, very good blocker, regardless of where you put him, and catches the ball well. In a TE friendly offense that could see him coming off the LOS, or out of the backfield at the fullback position, Conrad should be excited about that.

Gran would describe our new, incoming offense as "pro-style":

Thank goodness, goodbye Air Raid. I've not been huge on that air raid mentality. To me, it's like living and dying by the 3 (We're Kentucky, never pass on the basketball terminology when it's applicable). I feel like the Air Raid would make it incredibly difficult for our offense to ever maintain any sort of consistency. Some days our QB and receivers will be hot, some days they won't. If you take away Baylor's running game (and it's very potent, and very underrated), I'm not convinced that they would be able to put up the passing numbers that they put up. That's the case with any great offense. We have the playmakers, we have the threats all over the field, they just have to be utilized appropriately. We need balance.

The offense will be balanced:

Gran started by saying some years, your offense will be 60% run, 40% pass, sometimes it will be 60% pass, 40% run, but you have to do what you can to make it 50-50. At Cincinnati, he did a good job of that, used Houston as an example of that. Houston had the tendency to play their safeties roughly 7 yards from the LOS, made it difficult to run the ball, so the QB had a big day. Wasn't the case for the significantly more talented Florida State during bowl season, despite having one of the best running backs in the country in Dalvin Cook. Gotta take what the defense gives you.

Hinshaw was very high on Drew Barker:

Recruited him while he was at Cincinnati. He said he's aware of the accolades that Barker has had, and they were all well deserved. When Barker did some QB exercises for Hinshaw, he loved everything about Barker as a quarterback. I'm really glad that Hinshaw knows exactly what he's getting out of Barker and is that excited. He knows what it takes for QB's to be good in the SEC. Coached a darn good one at Tennessee, despite Dooley being very unsuccessful overall at Tennesee, I don't think we can say that it was for lack of passing offense. This is all while starting a true freshman QB whenever he got there.

Despite staff being high on Barker, Kentucky is still pursuing a QB that can immediately challenge Barker as starting QB:

Enter Stephen Johnson II --- Is he highly ranked? Nah. 3 star QB per 247sports Composite. Hinshaw relayed to sources close to Johnson that he has evaluated 17 different QB's in the JUCO ranks alone. We as fans are already aware that Johnson is the one with the scholarship offer. I find the kid to have impressive film. He may not have as big of an arm as Barker, but he appears to have very solid accuracy on his intermediate throws, in the pocket, or on the run. Good enough to make him the #6 dual-threat QB out of JUCO, at least. Having a QB with his speed (Some have mentioned it's actually closer to 4.5 [rather than the 4.78 listed on his Hudl account], and they cite Rowland, which makes me believe it) in case your QB is going to run the ball.

Our QB will run the ball:

Gran and Hinshaw made this abundantly clear. The QB will run the ball from time to time. It'll be by design the full way through the play, or it will be by read-option. Obviously if Stephen Johnson comes to Kentucky, the edge will go to him in this department, but this is not a dynamic that we've taken advantage of in the past couple of seasons. If you have a team with speed, the read-option is an amazing tool, and we've had some good speed out of our backfield, with Patrick Towles, and Boom WIlliams. It will be a welcomed addition to our offense, I can't stress it enough. I also think this will help us defensively. We have coaches that genuinely know how to run the read-option correctly. If we bring in Stephen Johnson, we'll have a legitimate read-option QB, and that take our defense a long way in learning how to scheme for, and stop the read-option, which has easily been UK's biggest weakness on defense (and it isn't close).

We're retaining Derrick Ansley!:

Outstanding news. He got a promotion to Co-DC, and will get a raise. Some people cringe at the word "raise" for Kentucky, but shelling out money is the only way to become great in the SEC, and he's every bit of an SEC quality coach. He'll also be groomed into a defensive coordinator along the way. This move could help UK in a big way somewhere down the line in more ways than it immediately helps by just retaining him. He's proven to be an outstanding DB coach for us.

Rhavicc, if we look back in time, the best times that we have had is when we had a TE that gave us as much production as any wide receiver did. This is big, just because it opens up the middle of the field and doesn't allow the linebackers to stay in the box. Second, having someone in Drew's ear that can focus on HIS play will help all of the QBs. Third, and it been mentioned but worth remembering again. They will take what the defense gives them and they will build around the players that they have. No use in trying something that is doomed from the get go, yet it seems we have been doing that for years. Last, and I know coaches say this but Gran really seemed to be pleased to be here and be in this situation. He was probably at Cincinnati looking south and saying, "boy, I could do wonders for that team." Its only a guess.
 

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Think gran will have an effect on much more than just the offense...stoops talk extensively about his leadership an experience with ST at fsu.. I really like the fact that stoops addressed several of the issues i have seen on game day with one hire.. Leadership discipline accountability along with a multiple pro style oc is a big upgrade.. Don't want to dog dawson but i think his inexperience in preparing a offense to getting execution on the field to adjusting against sec defenses on a young inexperienced team exposed the worst in him.. His sarcastic attitude probably didn't bring out the best with these young players with attitudes themselves..
This is where i feel much better with these two hires. They have been at this level before and i believe will be much better equipped at handling different players and attitudes through out the year!!
Did i mention that i like that stoops added a veteran coach to help him on game day..
P.S. I have always thought that the key to a successful football coach is that he evaluate's his strength and weaknesses and hires a staff that builds on each others strength.. Football has to many people for a head coach to just be a great x o coach..its more about getting the right people in place so you have quality leaders discipline and teachers to go along with being great recruiters.
I think stoops made a good hire. As good as we could expect with how the season ended.. Imo this team will look completely different next year.. Little things make big differences. And in stoops gran little thing will be addressed.. And i really look forward to see how hinshaw and barker work and develope. I sort of got the idea that hinshaw had a big part in developing this offense. Think he could be a oc in a few years if gran would be offered a bigger job... On the other hand i get the idea that they think they are better together than on there own,so it remains to be seen how loyal and long they work together... As you can see i feel much better about this staff..
 

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Also im no football expert.. But how does there offense compare to petrinos offense.. When i heard them talking about it i thought it sounded like they might be similiar..
 

CatsFanGG24

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I am too busy to look it up at the moment, can anyone give me a list of the quarterbacks that Hinshaw has worked with? I know Tyler Bray was one of them.
The EKU QB that tore us up this year was coached by Hinshaw...Bennie Coney

Munchie Lagaux
Gunner Kiel
 

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To add to OP, I think the best thing I heard was that their system is flexible and that they can and will adapt it towards what players we have at any given time. No more trying to fill a hole with a square peg ;)
 
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12 - the first number is the how many RB's (1) are in the personnel grouping. The second number is how many TE's (2) are in the grouping. Since there must be 5 O-linemen and almost always 1 QB in any given formation that leaves 5 positions for the RB,TE, WR personnel. 12 personnel is 1 RB & 2 TE so that leaves 2 WR in the personnel grouping. 10 is 1 + 0 = 1 subtracted from 5 = 4 WR plus the 1 RB.

Good stuff! Thanks for explaining it. Now I understand it.
 

vhcat70

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My fear is that it will take more than a season to implement the offense. We need better results in 2016 if the recruiting is going to continue to improve.
Well, something needed to be done. Think it would have been better in 2016 had Dawson stayed? If not, your comment would apply to whomever Stoops brought in.
 

JHB4UK

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We won 5 games with the offensive side of the ball completely melting down the last half of the season. With just a little more consistency and smarter playcalling it is more than reasonable to expect an improvement to being a bowl participant in 2016.

Still, UK fans should exercise some patience and thinking long term. This will be Gran's first year as our OC, with a first year starting QB, and an entire offense learning a new system/terminology. Some bumps in the road should not be a surprise nor a call for the entire program to be thrown into a burning tire pit. We just need to avoid the total plane crash destruction disasters that have ended our seasons the last 2 years.

Lets play better, lets look better, lets not have a losing season, lets not be blown out and be noncompetitive, lets participate in the bowl exhibition season. Then in '17 we could roll in with one of the most experienced talented offenses in UK history. Barker (if he wins the starting job) a jr with a year+ starting under his belt, Leavitt will be a sr LT, our super talented Kentucky O linemen will be in their 2nd years after hopefully redshirting in '16 (probably unavoidable with Young), senior skill players will be everywhere on the roster.
 
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Conrad really should be a focal point. He really jumped out at me last season vs USC when Towles threw an ill advised pass to Conrad in the end zone; and Conrad went WAY up to battle for it. Then....he barely got any targets the rest of the year; and was relegated to his weird Hback/FB position.

Gran's impact will also be felt on ST. Something sorely needed.

Keeping Ansley was crucial. Clearly a really good coach. His young DB's really impressed.

This almost certainly is the best recruiting staff in UK history. If we put some results on the field, we will see the fruits of it on the recruiting trail.

Next years schedule is brutal. So we may see improvement in the team, but not in the wins/losses
 

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Think gran will have an effect on much more than just the offense...stoops talk extensively about his leadership an experience with ST at fsu.. I really like the fact that stoops addressed several of the issues i have seen on game day with one hire.. Leadership discipline accountability along with a multiple pro style oc is a big upgrade.. Don't want to dog dawson but i think his inexperience in preparing a offense to getting execution on the field to adjusting against sec defenses on a young inexperienced team exposed the worst in him.. His sarcastic attitude probably didn't bring out the best with these young players with attitudes themselves..
This is where i feel much better with these two hires. They have been at this level before and i believe will be much better equipped at handling different players and attitudes through out the year!!
Did i mention that i like that stoops added a veteran coach to help him on game day..
P.S. I have always thought that the key to a successful football coach is that he evaluate's his strength and weaknesses and hires a staff that builds on each others strength.. Football has to many people for a head coach to just be a great x o coach..its more about getting the right people in place so you have quality leaders discipline and teachers to go along with being great recruiters.
I think stoops made a good hire. As good as we could expect with how the season ended.. Imo this team will look completely different next year.. Little things make big differences. And in stoops gran little thing will be addressed.. And i really look forward to see how hinshaw and barker work and develope. I sort of got the idea that hinshaw had a big part in developing this offense. Think he could be a oc in a few years if gran would be offered a bigger job... On the other hand i get the idea that they think they are better together than on there own,so it remains to be seen how loyal and long they work together... As you can see i feel much better about this staff..
Excellent post.
 

JPFisher

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Still, UK fans should exercise some patience and thinking long term. This will be Gran's first year as our OC, with a first year starting QB, and an entire offense learning a new system/terminology. Some bumps in the road should not be a surprise nor a call for the entire program to be thrown into a burning tire pit. We just need to avoid the total plane crash destruction disasters that have ended our seasons the last 2 years.

You do post here often, right?
 

JHB4UK

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Next years schedule is brutal. So we may see improvement in the team, but not in the wins/losses
Why would we not win the same 5 we won last season (3 easiest OOC's + USC + Mizzou) and then find one or another W next season? State without Diaz & Dak, Vandy still Vandy, Florida kind of crashed & burned to end their season, UL isnt any team to believe in.
 

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I liked what I read in the LHL this AM, but will just have to wait and see if it makes any difference on the field.

Was curious though about one thing. They raved about Drew Barker, but did they mention Gunner Hoak at all? He played up there in Ohio, was wondering if they had any comments about Hoak? (Of course, he may not have enrolled yet, so it may be they can't say anything, but I thought if LOI was signed, coaches could publicly comment)
 

docholiday51

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Why would we not win the same 5 we won last season (3 easiest OOC's + USC + Mizzou) and then find one or another W next season? State without Diaz & Dak, Vandy still Vandy, Florida kind of crashed & burned to end their season, UL isnt any team to believe in.
My thoughts as well, there are winnable games on the schedule if we play a hair above decent football. Sure Ala. and UT will be tough but not too many others will be off the charts great.
 

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UK has tried to run the "Pro-Style" offense. In the SEC it requires great line depth. I think best case scenario it might get us to 7 wins vs the OOC opponents and lower half of the SEC East. IMO...To truly compete for a SEC title UK has to find a way to be different and outscore opponents. I don't dislike the hires, I just don't know if the philosophy can get UK anywhere close to the top of the SEC.