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ESPN: "Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for third-worst by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936."

K. Allen: 12 car, 54 yds
N. Singleton: 11 car, 21 yds

PSU Defense: 1 TFL

Oregon: 5-7 4th down conversions

Total offense:
Oregon 424 yds
PSU 276 yds
 
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MacNit

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Calabrin said:
ESPN: "Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for third-worst by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936."

K. Allen: 12 car, 54 yds
N. Singleton: 11 car, 21 yds

PSU Defense: 1 TFL

Oregon: 5-7 4th down conversions

Total offense:
Oregon 424 yds
PSU 276 yds
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Poor strategy (nothing new). Soft (nothing new). Time for a change.
 
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Something else to ponder...

What if the groundskeeper set the mower cut height to 2" rather than 2.5"???

Fumble stands, we win, monkey is off the back.

Eff the groundskeeper. May his front lawn be perpetually overrun with dandelions, and his local Home Depot be perpetually sold out of Round Up.
 
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harjeff

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I am also just sick and tired of every team holding us BLATANTLY right in front of the officials and they don't call it, seems like every team teaches there Oline to take advantage of BIG refs except PSU.

I mean Allar played poorly for 90% of the game, the OC gameplan was horrific, but this BIG officiating is just soooooo bad. I lost count of how many times DDS was just tackled, just a couple of those called correctly forces Oline to change how they block and changes Oregons entire gameplan, just ridiculous.
 
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LB99

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harjeff said:
I am also just sick and tired of every team holding us BLATANTLY right in front of the officials and they don't call it, seems like every team teaches there Oline to take advantage of BIG refs except PSU.

I mean Allar played poorly for 90% of the game, the OC gameplan was horrific, but this BIG officiating is just soooooo bad. I lost count of how many times DDS was just tackled, just a couple of those called correctly forces Oline to change how they block and changes Oregons entire gameplan, just ridiculous.
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That game was reffed in much the same way the 2014 OSU game was reffed. Blatant inadequacies by the stripes. Or purposeful inadequacies. You decide.
 
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harjeff said:
I am also just sick and tired of every team holding us BLATANTLY right in front of the officials and they don't call it, seems like every team teaches there Oline to take advantage of BIG refs except PSU.

I mean Allar played poorly for 90% of the game, the OC gameplan was horrific, but this BIG officiating is just soooooo bad. I lost count of how many times DDS was just tackled, just a couple570-836-7800 of those called correctly forces Oline to change how they block and changes Oregons entire gameplan, just ridiculous.
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I will be interested to watch the replay of the game when I get back home. For the holding calls missed and the over turned fumble recovery. Tough to see on the jumbo scoreboard screen
 
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BostonNit said:
Something else to ponder...

What if the groundskeeper set the mower cut height to 2" rather than 2.5"???

Fumble stands, we win, monkey is off the back.

Eff the groundskeeper. May his front lawn be perpetually overrun with dandelions, and his local Home Depot be perpetually sold out of Round Up.
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why don’t we adjust and hold?

Whether the grass is 2 or 2.5 inches, it’s the same height for both teams
 
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Oregon won the trenches on both fronts.

Oregon backs had holes and ran hard through them. I don't remember an Oregon back not getting extra yards by running through the tackler(s).

PSU defensive backs with plenty of cushion the whole game. Maybe they watched film of last year's B1G championship game and decided not to give up anything deep.

PSU WRs - no separation.

I'm sure there's more, but I will let others chime in.
 
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Sorry if this has been addressed, what happens if the refs happen, for crazy reason, to catch the obvious facemask on the OR 2 pt conversion? Where is the ball placed for our possession?
 
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JWB389 said:
Sorry if this has been addressed, what happens if the refs happen, for crazy reason, to catch the obvious facemask on the OR 2 pt conversion? Where is the ball placed for our possession?
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12.5 yard line to start.
 
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harjeff said:
I am also just sick and tired of every team holding us BLATANTLY right in front of the officials and they don't call it, seems like every team teaches there Oline to take advantage of BIG refs except PSU.

I mean Allar played poorly for 90% of the game, the OC gameplan was horrific, but this BIG officiating is just soooooo bad. I lost count of how many times DDS was just tackled, just a couple of those called correctly forces Oline to change how they block and changes Oregons entire gameplan, just ridiculous.
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I'm stumped by this. You make adjustments for what the other teams offense and defense are doing. Why not make adjustments for how the refs are calling the game?

If your D-line is getting hooked and held and taken out of the play and it's not getting called, do something other than jumping up and down crying behind the play. Start doing the same on offense. Start Deacon Jones helmet slapping their O-line to put the refs in conflict. Start dropping into passing lanes and getting your hands up. Drop back and keep QB contain. Until OT, our DE's just ran themselves out of the play. Take the fines and call them out after the game.
 
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leinbacker said:
why don’t we adjust and hold?

Whether the grass is 2 or 2.5 inches, it’s the same height for both teams
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I don't know why we don't adjust either. It's like any sport. When the standard of what will be called a penalty you adapt and play within those rules. We just refuse. The refs were consistent not good but consistent
 
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Calabrin said:
ESPN: "Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for third-worst by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936."

K. Allen: 12 car, 54 yds
N. Singleton: 11 car, 21 yds

PSU Defense: 1 TFL

Oregon: 5-7 4th down conversions

Total offense:
Oregon 424 yds
PSU 276 yds
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Oregon stacked the LOS forcing Allar to beat them. Their offense focused on quick release passes to counter PSU's pass rush. It's almost like our staff was surprised and not prepared to counter their strategy.

I think the staff thought if they stuck with Singleton between the tackles he'd eventually break one. The score was tied and maybe they thought hoped sooner or later we'd get a big turnover.
 
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Mrdibbs said:
PSU WRs - no separation.
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Allar was under severe pressure but I saw a few times where a WR had a step over the middle but he wouldn't pull the trigger. It seems to me that he was trying not to turn the ball over instead of attacking quickly.
 
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bdgan said:
Oregon stacked the LOS forcing Allar to beat them. Their offense focused on quick release passes to counter PSU's pass rush. It's almost like our staff was surprised and not prepared to counter their strategy.

I think the staff thought if they stuck with Singleton between the tackles he'd eventually break one. The score was tied and maybe they thought hoped sooner or later we'd get a big turnover.
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Has Singleton broken a single tackle in 2025? I am shocked by just how bad he has been. Allen is the clear rb1 at this point.
 
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JWB389 said:
Sorry if this has been addressed, what happens if the refs happen, for crazy reason, to catch the obvious facemask on the OR 2 pt conversion? Where is the ball placed for our possession?
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I didn't see it but one of the guys I was watching it with said they missed a blatant facemask. Good question re: spot on our possession. Anyone know?
 
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bdgan said:
Allar was under severe pressure but I saw a few times where a WR had a step over the middle but he wouldn't pull the trigger. It seems to me that he was trying not to turn the ball over instead of attacking quickly.
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Been this way his whole career. Afraid to make a mistake in a close game rather than slinging it. Back against the wall, then he doesn’t care about the risky throws - like the pass for the TD.
 
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I was at the game. The volume level from the speakers was too much. The subwoofer sound was felt going right through me. PS scores, finally, and are still losing 17-10 and they break out Sweet Caroline. We were losing! There was nothing to be celebrating. The offense repeatedly at the student end were motioning for quiet. That was also frustrating to watch.
 
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CDLionFL said:
Been this way his whole career. Afraid to make a mistake in a close game rather than slinging it. Back against the wall, then he doesn’t care about the risky throws - like the pass for the TD.
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Have you considered that's not "his doing" but what he's been told to do?
 
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CaseStudy said:
I never understood the pre-season media hype about this year's squad. Don't see many difference makers and the transfers were meh. 2024 was the year and they just didn't get it done, which of course is Franklin's legacy in more ways than one.
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You are exactly right. The hype was based on a lucky appearance in the B1G championship game (loss), a cupcake run in the playoffs until ND (loss) and a bunch of returning offensive seniors that didn't really put up championship numbers last season but will still get drafted. Sutton was the closest thing to a superstar returning on the entire team.
If you look at last night's game Oregon had the better starters at almost every position on offense so PSU was without a doubt the underdog from a talent perspective. An early season whiteout atmosphere makes for a good story line which creates hype and great ratings. Oregon should have been ranked 3rd and PSU at best should have been 6th going into the game which makes more sense given the overall talent and performance from both teams leading up to the game.
It was a night of "upsets" with 3, 4, 5 and 8 all losing to lower ranked teams.
 
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The real m.knox

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Mrdibbs said:
Oregon won the trenches on both fronts.

Oregon backs had holes and ran hard through them. I don't remember an Oregon back not getting extra yards by running through the tackler(s).

PSU defensive backs with plenty of cushion the whole game. Maybe they watched film of last year's B1G championship game and decided not to give up anything deep.

PSU WRs - no separation.

I'm sure there's more, but I will let others chime in.
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Oregon RB's did run hard. Angry. Brought the hit to the tackler. There seems to be an emotional component that is perpetually absent with PSU.

At this point, Iowa and Indiana may end up in the "L" column as well.
 
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harjeff said:
I am also just sick and tired of every team holding us BLATANTLY right in front of the officials and they don't call it, seems like every team teaches there Oline to take advantage of BIG refs except PSU.

I mean Allar played poorly for 90% of the game, the OC gameplan was horrific, but this BIG officiating is just soooooo bad. I lost count of how many times DDS was just tackled, just a couple of those called correctly forces Oline to change how they block and changes Oregons entire gameplan, just ridiculous.
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Bad Big10 reffing? Are you new to PSU football. There is enough content for a 3-credit class.
 
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  • Singleton up the middle just doesn't work. He's not explosive or strong at breaking tackles. He's running more timidly this year.
  • In the 2nd OT, should have been running Kayton. He had momentum and was picking up yards. Didn't like Kotelnicki's play calling for most of the game.
  • OL play, as usual, was inconsistent. Oregon consistently got penetration.
  • At the risk of blaming the refs.... holy god they let Oregon OL hold all night. Sutton was frustrated. And reversing that fumble call? I saw air between the blades of grass and his knee. We got hosed, big time.
  • Drew... c'mon man. What is going on? All the preseason hype, he's still throwing off his back foot and not accurate. He did do well picking up 1st downs with his feet but passing game is extremely rough.
  • D got very little pressure on Moore.
  • Tackling.... still a problem. I don't understand why.
 
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dcf4psu said:
I was at the game. The volume level from the speakers was too much. The subwoofer sound was felt going right through me. PS scores, finally, and are still losing 17-10 and they break out Sweet Caroline. We were losing! There was nothing to be celebrating. The offense repeatedly at the student end were motioning for quiet. That was also frustrating to watch.
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I was there too. Totally agree with your points. Also, how ridiculous and embarrassing is it (for our University) to keep telling a screaming crowd of 110,000 at 120+ decibels to “Make Some Noise”? Give that a break or bury it. We know when and how to make noise.
 
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CaseStudy said:
I never understood the pre-season media hype about this year's squad. Don't see many difference makers and the transfers were meh. 2024 was the year and they just didn't get it done, which of course is Franklin's legacy in more ways than one.
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Eh? They retuned nearly everyone from a top four team last year. Seems obvious. But also - obviously wrong.
 
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CaseStudy said:
I never understood the pre-season media hype about this year's squad. Don't see many difference makers and the transfers were meh. 2024 was the year and they just didn't get it done, which of course is Franklin's legacy in more ways than one.
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I agree. On offense, we really dont have a game breaker. Singleton show potential as a frosh ti be that guy. But he has regressed. I sometimes wonder if he has some underlying physical issue.
 
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