This board is full of insane people

[JasonS.]

People were saying the same thing about Brooks after 2005.

Few big differences:

1. Brooks, at Barnhart's behest, was reluctantly willing to make big staff changes (Ron Hudson). Is Stoops?
2. Probation.
3. I don't think Kragthorpe is on the way to replace Petrino this time. Kragthorpe arriving on the scene at Louisville was a major reason we went on our bowl "run."

 

[Calf]

Brooks didn't make bonehead plays in nearly every game like Stoops does and Joker did. There's really no comparison.

Did you watch the 2005 team?

 

[akaukswoosh]

Few big differences:

1. Brooks, at Barnhart's behest, was reluctantly willing to make big staff changes (Ron Hudson). Is Stoops?
2. Probation.
3. I don't think Kragthorpe is on the way to replace Petrino this time. Kragthorpe arriving on the scene at Louisville was a major reason we went on our bowl "run."

Pull off Stoops' mask and you'll find Kragthorpe.

 

[Calf]

Few big differences:

1. Brooks, at Barnhart's behest, was reluctantly willing to make big staff changes (Ron Hudson). Is Stoops?
2. Probation.
3. I don't think Kragthorpe is on the way to replace Petrino this time. Kragthorpe arriving on the scene at Louisville was a major reason we went on our bowl "run."

I think that some changes may be made. I would argue that we were in the same shape as if we were on probation. Kragthorpe, you are right. I am going to give it to next year. If you don't want to, keep screaming about firing Stoops and watch it not happen. Wasting your breath (keystrokes).

 

[numberonedad]

From the 9-3 crazies at the first of the year to the fire Stoops and Barnhart lunatics now. One thing about UK fans is they have no patience. Which is somewhat understandable. Won't let things play out. It's the basketball fan mentality being applied to football.

UK was predicted as anywhere between 5-7 or 7-5 team. Well, they are going to be right in that range. Have the last 5 weeks sucked? Yes. Could the staff do a better job coaching? Hell yes! Could the players play better? Yes. Young team with a inexperienced staff. It isn't real fun but it can be expected. They've regressed. If you're reasonable and have any common sense, you wait until year 5 and then see where the program is. Calling for Stoops to be fired is stupid, because it ain't happening. Calling for players to transfer is stupid. Both are counterproductive for the program and recruiting. Fan support is a major reason that was cited by recruits we have gotten as to why they chose UK, so don't give me the recruits don't read or pay attention to message board line.

Right now sucks. Nobody like to lose but there are 2 more games left and if they win 2 they are in a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild from the ashes up. Watch or don't watch. That's up to you. If you hate it so bad, don't turn it on your TV but don't spout off insane stuff for the sake of bitching.

patience? buddy, i been waiting 60 years to have a decent football program

 

[Re2126]

It doesn't matter what anyone wants. I don't see Stoops getting fired after this season. Especially seeing how much money will be owed to him.

I say if he doesn't do well next season, he will be on notice. Mediocre 5th season and then UK will be ok enough with eating his contract to fire him.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I'm off the Stoops bandwagon after yesterday. The guy is just not a good coach. Now if he can keep up the solid recruiting maybe he can get us to some 6-6, 7-5 type seasons by year 5/6 in his tenure. That is the high mark for Stoops now as I think most intelligent UK fans can see.

 

[bradyjames_rivals]

Lol, you will have 2/3 more years to figure out what a lot of us figured out this year.

 

[Calf]

All coaches make questionable calls. Some coaches have the talent and experience on their roster to mask those mistakes. Stoops doesn't. He has made horrible decisions and bad calls. No denying that. Sometimes players have to make plays. I am of the opinion that he will get better.

Timmons catches that ball and scores, different outcome. If Towles throws the fade correctly and Baker fights for the ball more, different outcome.

 

[Calf]

Point of this thread was to question the point of calling for Stoops to be fired when it isn't happening. Pissing in the wind.

I want them to win and be a great program and I think that everyone else does too. Different opinions. Which we all are entitled to.

 

[Re2126]

All coaches make questionable calls. Some coaches have the talent and experience on their roster to mask those mistakes. Stoops doesn't. He has made horrible decisions and bad calls. No denying that. Sometimes players have to make plays. I am of the opinion that he will get better.

Timmons catches that ball and scores, different outcome. If Towles throws the fade correctly and Baker fights for the ball more, different outcome.

I think you are helping the argument of the other side.

Baker doesn't even look like he tries half the time. Yet he never rides the bench.

He didn't even attempt a block on a screen yesterday, just stood there and looked flustered. Either he doesn't care or he isn't smart enough/willing to learn the plays.

Either way, a good coach would bench him to send a message.

 

[KendallCat]

What did you expect the W-L record to be after 10 games? Serious question.

I don't think it is the W-L record since most expected us to be where we are in terms of that stat. I think it is how we got there. It is the lack of offense versus Florida, the poor clock management versus Florida and Auburn, the lack of heart against EKU, getting manhandled versus Miss St and Tennessee, the regression by this team from last year to this year despite the fact they are a year older. Really it boils down to one thing - EFFORT!

If this team lost but gave great effort and hustle people would applaud it. The Couch team that beat Bama had a losing record. It have effort. The first Pitino team that went .500 gave great effort. Lay it all on the field and fans will applaud and support the team win or lose.

 

[Calf]

I think you are helping the argument of the other side.

Baker doesn't even look like he tries half the time. Yet he never rides the bench.

He didn't even attempt a block on a screen yesterday, just stood there and looked flustered. Either he doesn't care or he isn't smart enough/willing to learn the plays.

Either way, a good coach would bench him to send a message.

And he should. I hope that in the off season Stoops evaluates himself and the staff and makes the changes to make himself and the program better.

 

[Re2126]

And he should. I hope that in the off season Stoops evaluates himself and the staff and makes the changes to make himself and the program better.

So do I because he obviously isn't going anywhere for a couple more years unless he absolutely tanks next season.

 

[Re2126]

I think Stoops might be letting a couple of the "star" players run with too long of a leash and the rest of the team doesn't like it.

In my opinion, no one is good enough on that team to get the "star treatment".

And I see people talk about loyalty. You definitely see it with Stoops and Towles. Where's the loyalty for JoJo? Went right out the window with the special treatment of Boom.

 

[Kats23]

People were saying the same thing about Brooks after 2005.

Brooks answered the bell after a 49-0 shellacking against LSU and finished with 7 wins and a bowl win to make it 8. But one of the main differences is Brooks had a ton of injured in 05. Twice what Stoops is dealing with. That's one of the reasons we looked so inept that year. Oh we had a halfway decent QB who could actually throw. Next year is make or break for Stoops. Eyeball says its break.

 

[Calf]

I think Stoops might be letting a couple of the "star" players run with two long of a leash and the rest of the team doesn't like it.

In my opinion, no one is good enough on that team to get the "star treatment".

And I see people talk about loyalty. You definitely see it with Stoops and Towles. Where's the loyalty for JoJo? Went right out the window with the special treatment of Boom.

I tend to agree. That needs to change. I'm not really pleased with that aspect.

 

[HalHR2500]

From the 9-3 crazies at the first of the year to the fire Stoops and Barnhart lunatics now. One thing about UK fans is they have no patience. Which is somewhat understandable. Won't let things play out. It's the basketball fan mentality being applied to football.

UK was predicted as anywhere between 5-7 or 7-5 team. Well, they are going to be right in that range. Have the last 5 weeks sucked? Yes. Could the staff do a better job coaching? Hell yes! Could the players play better? Yes. Young team with a inexperienced staff. It isn't real fun but it can be expected. They've regressed. If you're reasonable and have any common sense, you wait until year 5 and then see where the program is. Calling for Stoops to be fired is stupid, because it ain't happening. Calling for players to transfer is stupid. Both are counterproductive for the program and recruiting. Fan support is a major reason that was cited by recruits we have gotten as to why they chose UK, so don't give me the recruits don't read or pay attention to message board line.

Right now sucks. Nobody like to lose but there are 2 more games left and if they win 2 they are in a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild from the ashes up. Watch or don't watch. That's up to you. If you hate it so bad, don't turn it on your TV but don't spout off insane stuff for the sake of bitching.

You can't be serious, Boom should have been allowed to quit and Baker should be suspended for his gross lack of effort, CMS lost the team....it's that simple

 

[LowCountryCat]

schalaking

Look, I'm not normally the spell nazi type, but of all the possibilities, even a wild guess would have been closer than you came on that one. It's "shellacking" by the way.

 

[Calf]

Brooks answered the bell after a 49-0 schalaking against LSU and finished with 7 wins and a bowl win to make it 8. But one of the main differences is Brooks had a ton of injured in 05. Twice what Stoops is dealing with. That's one of the reasons we looked so inept that year. Oh we had a halfway decent QB who could actually throw. Next year is make or break for Stoops. Eyeball says its break.

2006 was Brooks' 4th season. I would like to See if Stoops can do the same.

 

[Re2126]

Look, I'm not normally the spell nazi type, but of all the possibilities, even a wild guess would have been closer than you came on that one. It's "shellacking" by the way.

You damn grammar Nazi!!:uzi:

 

[sam_o]

I don't know, man. Calling UK football fans impatient is pretty hard to find valid. UK football fans have been waiting forever for a good product.

You can call UK football fans a lot of things. Not sure impatient is one of those things, though.

 

[Re2126]

I tend to agree. That needs to change. I'm not really pleased with that aspect.

While I think its inexcusable, to be fair it is his first head coaching job. He obviously (hopefully) is still figuring out what kind of leader he is.

 

[Re2126]

I don't know, man. Calling UK football fans impatient is pretty hard to find valid. UK football fans have been waiting forever for a good product.

You can call UK football fans a lot of things. Not sure impatient is one of those things, though.

I honestly think it's really not about wins/losses with most of the fan base. It's more about gaining respect and just being competitive in the conference.

Majority of us don't have delusions of grandeur when it comes to football.

 

[Kats23]

Look, I'm not normally the spell nazi type, but of all the possibilities, even a wild guess would have been closer than you came on that one. It's "shellacking" by the way.

Thanks. Fixed it. Type it in, phone did not offer any suggestions or that it was even spelled wrong

 

[willievic]

Like I have said, next year we see the same ineptness, I'll be right there questioning. Stoops and Dawson are new to each other and haven't been on the same page. He needs to sit down with him and get an understanding. He needs to hire a special teams coordinator in the off season. He needs to look at some position coaches (Schlarman for one) to see if a change needs to be made. I am not close to being happy about the last few games or this season for that matter. I get mad like everybody else but Stoops isn't getting fired after this season and shouldn't be. I think he will get next year to prove it and then if he doesn't, his fault. That being said if they can pull out the next two games and go to a bowl game, all will be forgiven by the fans. You are only as good as your last game and right now we suck. We pull out the UL game and we are national champs.

Calf, fans aren't jumping ship because of the losses. Their jumping ship because of the inability of Stoops to make rational decisions. It's as if the game is ahead of him. His knowledge of the game, I'm sure is very good, but his managing of the game is very poor. Your down by only 4 with 1min. 18 seconds to go at half, and your on the 49 yd. line, you punt, not go for it. You don't get a 5 yd. penalty when your going to kick a field goal. You don't call TO when your going to punt, You don't leave a player without a defensive person on him. You don't wind up with only 10 men on the field on a play, etc. His mistakes are stupid. That's why the fans are pi$$ed off.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[Calf]

I don't know, man. Calling UK football fans impatient is pretty hard to find valid. UK football fans have been waiting forever for a good product.

You can call UK football fans a lot of things. Not sure impatient is one of those things, though.

I don't know. Wanted Brooks fired after 3 years, wanted Joker fired after 3 years and want Stoops fired after 2 3\4 years. Sems pretty impatient to me. Though Joker deserved it because the program was in decent shape when he got the keys and drove it into the ground.

 

[sam_o]

I honestly think it's really not about wins/losses with most of the fan base. It's more about gaining respect and just being competitive in the conference.

Majority of us don't have delusions of grandeur when it comes to basketball.

I am not as sure that firing Stoops is the solution as some are. I am not saying they are wrong.

I do believe a complete staff overhaul is in order. I want so badly to believe in coach Stoops but is really hard right now with the product we are seeing on the field. I think UK fans are just tired of the same old mediocre product.

 

[Re2126]

I am not as sure that firing Stoops the solution as some are. I am not saying they are wrong.

I do believe a complete staff overhaul is in order. I want so badly to believe in coach Stoops but is really hard right now with the product we are seeing on the field. I think UK fans are just tired of the same old mediocre product.

I edited my post. A bit scatter brained today haha.

 

[sam_o]

I don't know. Wanted Brooks fired after 3 years, wanted Joker fired after 3 years and want Stoops fired after 2 3\4 years. Sems pretty impatient to me. Though Joker deserved it because the program was in decent shape when he got the keys and drove it into the ground.

I see your point. It's gathered frustration. Years of it, I think. But impatient is too strong of a word. The people of this state has stuck by this program when honestly, it was painful to. I would not call the fan base impatient. The product is not good right now. I don't think firing coach is the solution but I won't begrudge anyone that opinion based on results to now.

 

[CHAMPCAT11]

From the 9-3 crazies at the first of the year to the fire Stoops and Barnhart lunatics now. One thing about UK fans is they have no patience. Which is somewhat understandable. Won't let things play out. It's the basketball fan mentality being applied to football.

UK was predicted as anywhere between 5-7 or 7-5 team. Well, they are going to be right in that range. Have the last 5 weeks sucked? Yes. Could the staff do a better job coaching? Hell yes! Could the players play better? Yes. Young team with a inexperienced staff. It isn't real fun but it can be expected. They've regressed. If you're reasonable and have any common sense, you wait until year 5 and then see where the program is. Calling for Stoops to be fired is stupid, because it ain't happening. Calling for players to transfer is stupid. Both are counterproductive for the program and recruiting. Fan support is a major reason that was cited by recruits we have gotten as to why they chose UK, so don't give me the recruits don't read or pay attention to message board line.

Right now sucks. Nobody like to lose but there are 2 more games left and if they win 2 they are in a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild from the ashes up. Watch or don't watch. That's up to you. If you hate it so bad, don't turn it on your TV but don't spout off insane stuff for the sake of bitching.

Go back and read your post again. You started off saying the board is full of insane people and then you pointed out just about every negative that we so called insane people are fired up about. You say we have no patience ? I believe we ranked 25th in attendance last year and we were terrible. That's not a lack of support. The renovated stadium has been rockin' all year with insane UK fans. Then you said the last five weeks have sucked, the staff could coach better, the players could play better, they've regressed, and you polished it off by saying "right now sucks". I think we all totally agree that Stoops won't be fired and he'll probably get two more years. I agree that calling for the players to transfer isn't so smart from a fan's viewpoint but could you really blame them ? They're now locked up in football's version of hell. If they're fed up you can't fault them. If you want them to succeed they have every right to re-think their future. I see what you're trying to say but you actually added more fuel to the fire of how inept Stoops and his staff realy are.

 

[CHAMPCAT11]

From the 9-3 crazies at the first of the year to the fire Stoops and Barnhart lunatics now. One thing about UK fans is they have no patience. Which is somewhat understandable. Won't let things play out. It's the basketball fan mentality being applied to football.

UK was predicted as anywhere between 5-7 or 7-5 team. Well, they are going to be right in that range. Have the last 5 weeks sucked? Yes. Could the staff do a better job coaching? Hell yes! Could the players play better? Yes. Young team with a inexperienced staff. It isn't real fun but it can be expected. They've regressed. If you're reasonable and have any common sense, you wait until year 5 and then see where the program is. Calling for Stoops to be fired is stupid, because it ain't happening. Calling for players to transfer is stupid. Both are counterproductive for the program and recruiting. Fan support is a major reason that was cited by recruits we have gotten as to why they chose UK, so don't give me the recruits don't read or pay attention to message board line.

Right now sucks. Nobody like to lose but there are 2 more games left and if they win 2 they are in a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild from the ashes up. Watch or don't watch. That's up to you. If you hate it so bad, don't turn it on your TV but don't spout off insane stuff for the sake of bitching.

Go back and read your post again. You started off saying the board is full of insane people and then you pointed out just about every negative that we so called insane people are fired up about. You say we have no patience ? I believe we ranked 25th in attendance last year and we were terrible. That's not a lack of support. The renovated stadium has been rockin' all year with insane UK fans. Then you said the last five weeks have sucked, the staff could coach better, the players could play better, they've regressed, and you polished it off by saying "right now sucks". I think we all totally agree that Stoops won't be fired and he'll probably get two more years. I agree that calling for the players to transfer isn't so smart from a fan's viewpoint but could you really blame them ? They're now locked up in football's version of hell. If they're fed up you can't fault them. If you want them to succeed they have every right to re-think their future. I see what you're trying to say but you actually added more fuel to the fire of how inept Stoops and his staff really are.

 

[ukalumni00]

Scapegoats/staff changes will be made, hype videos will show much bigger and faster the players have gotten, UK Admin along with Stoops will tell us how much better the team is getting, team will get to wear some awesome new helmets and uniforms next season, training complex is a game changer, etc. The list of marketing BS fed to season ticket holders along with their ridiculous bills to buy season tickets again will be plentyful and many will fall for it. Next season we are sitting here having the same conversations.

This season has been a colossal failure. The only thing that will salvage minimal confidence in this program is winning the next two games and even at that the damage has been done and severe doubt has now entered the Stoops era.

I am tired of it and I am not waiting 2-3 more seasons for a team that may win 7 games and call it a successful season. Those of you who want to spend thousands of dollars on this mess God Bless you. I am a defeated fan and I am not giving another cent until this program gives me a reason to.

 

[Calf]

I see your point. It's gathered frustration. Years of it, I think. But impatient is too strong of a word. The people of this state has stuck by this program when honestly, it was painful to. I would not call the fan base impatient. The product is not good right now. I don't think firing coach is the solution but I won't begrudge anyone that opinion based on results to now.

I wholeheartedly agree with the frustration. I have been a UK football fan since I can remember in the 80s. I not happy and am frustrated but I also try to take deep breaths and look at the whole picture.

 

[Dunkapotamus_rivals209832]

Can't tell if Calf is trolling or not. You look at the whole picture eh? Look at the amount of avoidable errors that were made. First, no special teams coach. Second, TO on a friggin punt and one less at the end of the game when we needed it. Three, constant running on 2nd and really long or running with 50 seconds left with a whole football field to cover for a gamewinning TD. Putting Towles back in after that horrible INT that resulted from him changing a play and had 22 yards from 17 pass attempts.

For someone touting all they've seen as a UK fan and what you know about this football program, you sound like the biggest homer here. How are those mistakes acceptable? I know next to nothing about the x's and o's of football, but even I can see how inept this staff seems. All avoidable mistakes and this far into season 3 when we can't afford one let alone a whole plethora of garbage we saw last night.

 

[heidiho99]

From the 9-3 crazies at the first of the year to the fire Stoops and Barnhart lunatics now. One thing about UK fans is they have no patience. Which is somewhat understandable. Won't let things play out. It's the basketball fan mentality being applied to football.

UK was predicted as anywhere between 5-7 or 7-5 team. Well, they are going to be right in that range. Have the last 5 weeks sucked? Yes. Could the staff do a better job coaching? Hell yes! Could the players play better? Yes. Young team with a inexperienced staff. It isn't real fun but it can be expected. They've regressed. If you're reasonable and have any common sense, you wait until year 5 and then see where the program is. Calling for Stoops to be fired is stupid, because it ain't happening. Calling for players to transfer is stupid. Both are counterproductive for the program and recruiting. Fan support is a major reason that was cited by recruits we have gotten as to why they chose UK, so don't give me the recruits don't read or pay attention to message board line.

Right now sucks. Nobody like to lose but there are 2 more games left and if they win 2 they are in a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild from the ashes up. Watch or don't watch. That's up to you. If you hate it so bad, don't turn it on your TV but don't spout off insane stuff for the sake of bitching.

Eventually you have to beat somebody....they havent

 

[supernova0221]

From the 9-3 crazies at the first of the year to the fire Stoops and Barnhart lunatics now. One thing about UK fans is they have no patience. Which is somewhat understandable. Won't let things play out. It's the basketball fan mentality being applied to football.

UK was predicted as anywhere between 5-7 or 7-5 team. Well, they are going to be right in that range. Have the last 5 weeks sucked? Yes. Could the staff do a better job coaching? Hell yes! Could the players play better? Yes. Young team with a inexperienced staff. It isn't real fun but it can be expected. They've regressed. If you're reasonable and have any common sense, you wait until year 5 and then see where the program is. Calling for Stoops to be fired is stupid, because it ain't happening. Calling for players to transfer is stupid. Both are counterproductive for the program and recruiting. Fan support is a major reason that was cited by recruits we have gotten as to why they chose UK, so don't give me the recruits don't read or pay attention to message board line.

Right now sucks. Nobody like to lose but there are 2 more games left and if they win 2 they are in a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild from the ashes up. Watch or don't watch. That's up to you. If you hate it so bad, don't turn it on your TV but don't spout off insane stuff for the sake of bitching.

This times 1,000,000

 

[ukalumni00]

One thing I would suggest is quit the gimmicky stuff . The gray uniforms are awful, they don't represent UK, and they don't represent tradition. And YES, these things matter. If we want to be successfull in football, ACT like it. Do you see Alabama wearing chrome helmets? Do you see LSU, Georgia, Auburn etc wearing these ridiculous uniforms? Only a UK football fan would think it doesn't matter. We look like idiots. tenneesee is the only SEC power that has screwed with their uniforms and traditions, and they look to be the first power to fall from grace. These are no coincidences. It's not really about the uniforms, it's about the attitude. Carry yourself AND look like a champion. We need to get back to the field and effort and get the hell out of the mirrors, cut your stupid hair, and FOCUS. We are far too into aspects that are distractions.

Our problems are long. I hope the fans eventually force change. Until then, this will continue.

Disagree. The gimmicky stuff helped sell this program to recruits. KY is not Bama and has no tradition to sell. That said, as I said in my previous rant the marketing BS is not going to sell a lot of recruits or fans on this mess anymore. Gimmicks can work at UK if done right and presently the results on the field has killed any chance of it continuing to work. The type of recruits KY must have to win in this conference are wanting to see results and the shiny helmets and all are not going to keep them interested as much now. Oregon has been a national power using gimmicks, but they won a lot of games in the process and ultimately that is the main thing that matters.

This program is soft, disorganized, and lacks any identity. That comes down to the coaching staff who have failed to put these players in positions to win. There are several teams right now winning a lot of games with much less talent and are beating teams KY would have no shot at beating. The excuses are over with me. Nobody is expecting this program to win an SEC title anytime soon but we damn sure expect to see a team that has players who are getting better and a well managed/organized staff that does not fall apart in each game they compete in.

 

[NCukcat62]

I wholeheartedly agree with the frustration. I have been a UK football fan since I can remember in the 80s. I not happy and am frustrated but I also try to take deep breaths and look at the whole picture.

You sir are a fan of mediocrity.

 

[Calf]

You sir are a fan of mediocrity.

Um, no. I want them to win the SEC and a National Championship. I understand where the program is and where it can go. I understand things don't happen overnight in football. I've never said that Stoops is blameless but calling for him to be fired is pointless. I want him to be a better coach. People can improve in their jobs. It happens. We all can rant and rave and disagree all we want but at the end of the day Stoops will be given more time, if he doesn't improve he will be let go. I think that he understands that. I don't think that he is some guy just sitting back not trying and laughing about collecting big checks.