I didn't say the same actions were taken against them but that doesn't change the level of hate. There is a difference between the actions someone can get away with and hate. You know as well as I do, that if people could get away with it they would do those things...Matter of fact, you hear all the time that a gay couple walking down the street is assaulted for holding hands or showing affection for one another so yes there is some commonality between the two. Good try though.
This fella covers the whole Trans/bathroom thing very well IMHO
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I didn't say the same actions were taken against them but that doesn't change the level of hate. There is a difference between the actions someone can get away with and hate. You know as well as I do, that if people could get away with it they would do those things...Matter of fact, you hear all the time that a gay couple walking down the street is assaulted for holding hands or showing affection for one another so yes there is some commonality between the two. Good try though.
Sex and gender are not necessarily the same thing. You might be my new favorite poster, though, so please go on with equating gay marriage, trans, and pedophilia. I enjoy a little humor throughout the day.
No, no there isn't.
Individualized hate vs. Institutionalized hatred are far and away two different things.
Let me ask this question.
If someone doesn't believe in transgender people being allowed to pick which restroom they want to use, does their beliefs make them "hate" those very people?
If someone doesn't believe in transgender people being allowed to pick which restroom they want to use, does their beliefs make them "hate" those very people?
Those same people can attack them regardless of this law. This law doesn't change that. If a man wants to walk into the womens restroom and video someone, this law doesn't make it any more legal than it did before the laws. They will be arrested and prosecuted today just like they would have in the past. This law is not putting women/children in anymore danger than they were. And as far as saying that I might as well call you <blank>...you don't know me or anything about me. I could be African American for all you know...It doesn't deserve a response so I won't give you one except to say that i stand by my comment that this issue is my generations civil rights movement. I am entitled to my opinion like you are yours. Difference is I am a little more open minded in mine and can discuss without resorting to insinuating someone is racist. Quite frankly, Pike I am thankful for the ignore feature here because I really have no desire to see any more of your conservative agenda.
In the 60s when someone didn't believe that African Americans should be able to use the same water fountain as the white people, did that belief make them hate those people? It wasn't about water fountains in the 60s and it isn't about restrooms today.
Very clever. Last time I checked before gay marriage men couldn't marry men and women couldn't marry women regardless of orientation. Seems pretty equal to me. Gay marriage legislation doesn't make things more equal it changes the definition of marriage. It was equal before and its equal now.
You are wrong because a heterosexual male wouldn't marry another guy so the only people affected by that law was in fact gay individuals so yes they did not have equal rights until they were allowed to marry the person they love. Also nice to see you conveniently didn't respond to the part of being able to designate their partners as recipients of their SSI, etc.
I'll take that as a yes.
In summary, if you disagree, you hate.
I kind of like it. It's simple and to the point. A black and white world involving no grey.
Personally, I really couldn't care less where a Tranny whips/tucks. I have yet to notice if a transsexual has ever shared a restroom with me. If I haven't noticed by now I probably never will.
That we can agree on. If you don't think you've been in the bathroom with a tranny by now, you are mistaken. Where do you think they've been using the bathroom all these years.
Not necessarily (but you have to realize, a significant portion against the LGBT community do actually hate them....like pike, who believes homosexuals and transgenders should be committed). But their 'beliefs' are based on ignorance and baseless fears. I don't think that's any better than hate.
It's not antigay. You come off like someone who is a closet homosexual. I don't have a problems with gays, you do.
You have never debunked anyone on climate change, don't pretend.
Once again, you just use words with out understanding their meaning. If someone uses data and science to back their position, they are not a science denier.
You just seem to babble on with no real understanding. It's pretty hilarious. It's like you copy words like a child does.
^Ah, the slippery slope argument. This time associating the LGBT community with acts of vandalism where you are damaging others' property.
Yep, ridiculous.
Yep, ridiculous.
You know I never even clicked on the original video to watch because I assumed it would be a shirtless redneck speaking nonsense. I finally watched it and I'll be damned I actually agree with the guy, go figure [laughing]
If each post ITT were worth $134B, we still couldn't pay off our national debt.
But keep talking about bathrooms.
But keep talking about bathrooms.
Why would the hypothetical stand? You taking a sh*t on your neighbor's doorstep is damage to their personal property.
A similar hypothetical would be 'I want to murder someone and I'm offended that I can't'. Both do harm to another persons' life or property.
If you can't see the difference between transgenders choosing a toilet assigned to the sex that they identify and taking a **** on someone's lawn then this discussion may not be for you.
This one will cover the POTUS election, look for something for the mid-terms.
BTW, african-americans are the only racial demo that opposes gay marriage. Kind of ironic when you see people equating the 60s.
no, you still don't understand the difference. Why would you introduce your ridiculous scenario as a hypothetical if you could see the difference?
No, "they" are getting offended that there are now laws prohibiting them from using the bathroom that they were previously using based on the sexual orientation they identified.
That probably depends on what kind of new, unnecessary, and discriminatory laws are enacted.
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But that's your concern, right? The slippery slope argument in that someday someone will be offended because they can't take a sh*t on another's porch.
Why even introduce the extreme if you aren't making a comparison between the two? Are you really bothered that, by addressing this issue, those who may be offended that they can't take take a deuce on their neighbor's portico might voice their concern?
The whole african-american races doesn't oppose gay marriage. Rather a majority of african americans are against it.
But that should be short lived. Just 5 years ago, a majority of whites opposed gay marriage while support was at 44% for the demographic. Now the support of gay marriage is up to 58% among whites. 5 years ago, support from the african american demographic was 30%. Now it's at 39%.
Yes, that was clearly inferred. So only a majority opposing isn't enough to make the comparison somewhat unreasonable? The drama is just absurd and it what is fueling the Trump support. No better than the christian book burners of the 50s.
Are there biological markers of "having to **** on my neighbor's porchism" or "copulate with a pigism" that I missed? Gay rights debate turned when people realized it wasn't a choice (although the choice thing never made much sense - I don't biologically like guys, but to spite my parents or whatever I'll suck a dick - what?), and I think trans debates will/are turn(ing) when people are convinced there is a physical element (aka chemicals) to gender that goes beyond P or V, and it's not just feelings. Just like civil rights turned, in part, because people no longer believed in genetic superiority on a race level and eugenics was frowned upon (thanks, Hitler). Science is pretty wonderful in that it is largely self correcting.
Word? Lol
Again, how many people in this country vote?
You people and your polls. Smh.
[roll]I finally played the clip in the OP. "You lack the capacity to understand it. You know...homos...algebra...**** like that."
So in this instance, you're saying that, by addressing the discriminatory nature of the law that was just enacted to prohibit transgender persons wanting to use the restroom of their identified sexual orientation, we would at some point also rationalize the legalization of taking a dump on someone else's porch, thereby directly linking the two causes, because hey, what's really the difference if one person is getting offended?
Are you also arguing that we should keep the new discriminatory laws against the LGBT on the books for fear of digressing to the point of rationalizing acts of vandalism involving porch poop or acts of bestiality?
I'm saying by making the hypothetical, you are in fact linking the two acts, and thereby belittling the LGBT cause to eliminate baseless discriminatory treatment. In the situation of porch poop and pig f*cking, there are obviously grounds for 'discrimination' against those committing the acts due to the willful damage to another's property or sexual acts with animals who legally can't consent.
Keep in mind I'm not arguing for or against where transsexual people should go to the bathroom, but wouldn't the science you site point more in the direction of birth abnormalities that can potentially be treated, than it would a normal state of brain or body chemistry? I don't really think the genetic superiority comparison is an apples to apples comparison. Science, in this case, can point to different conclusions as to what is appropriate.
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One day we will have the brain 100% figured. We know about maybe 1% to 5% of the brain. We have no clue to be making definitive statements. It's actually quite ignorant. Just because the science hasn't figure it out in our lifetime (people think the world revolves around them), we will have soon most of the brain figured out. Why we tick. Why do what we do. All explainable.
I actually like trannies, except the lying ones that promise they'll get you weed. MF'er. I'm still pissed. He promised that **** on day 2. Shoulda known by day 6 I wouldn't hear from him. Sound like a bitter upset girl bitten by a tranny I know. But it sucks. It's legal there, but you can't buy it in stores. That tranny befriended us and stole my hope. I dunno. I am still unresolved. Although he did mention that he has been to The Parliament House in Orlando (the Tranny Mecca of the world). Parliament House does all kinds of tranny shows. My wife and I go all the time. Great group of people.
I actually like trannies, except the lying ones that promise they'll get you weed. MF'er. I'm still pissed. He promised that **** on day 2. Shoulda known by day 6 I wouldn't hear from him. Sound like a bitter upset girl bitten by a tranny I know. But it sucks. It's legal there, but you can't buy it in stores. That tranny befriended us and stole my hope. I dunno. I am still unresolved. Although he did mention that he has been to The Parliament House in Orlando (the Tranny Mecca of the world). Parliament House does all kinds of tranny shows. My wife and I go all the time. Great group of people.
Where would anything he stated "point in the direction of a birth abnormality that can potentially be treated"? Or is the treatment you're referring to the sex reassignment surgery?
Being born LGBT is the same as being born with green eyes. Low probability but a normal occurrence.
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LOL at all you plebs who still use public restrooms.
Ever heard of a piss jug? I've got three in the floorboard of my car that do me just fine.
Ever heard of a piss jug? I've got three in the floorboard of my car that do me just fine.
After reading your posts in this thread, I'm pretty comfortable being on the opposite side of the table from you. It's not worth arguing with you over some of the hateful things you've said... I know your mind is set. Honestly, there's a good chance you'd change it if someone you cared about had ever struggled with something like this, but that's something that may never happen, and I can accept that.
But I do have to point out... I'm not "leftist" by any stretch of the imagination. I think the government's management of most things, beyond the absolute basics, is unnecessary and mostly ineffective. I think the boundaries of being able to freely run your business have been completely over run. If the people who run Hobby Lobby don't want to provide birth control because of religious beliefs, they shouldn't be required to do so. If a Christian baker wants to turn away a gay couple, they should be free to do so. That's probably not the best business plan, but you can't make people like or accept each other. Hell, if Target came out and said "Only use the bathroom listed on your birth certificate," that would be totally within their rights, as far as I'm concerned.
But just because I respect the rights of private businesses doesn't mean I don't think people should be treated like people, whether everyone understands their struggles or not. And when a state government goes out of the way to usurp those rights from a business and force people, who have really already dealt a pretty rough hand in the first place, in to an uncomfortable position instead of allowing them to continue on as they had been... it's frustrating to watch. Especially since people who claim to be "conservative" in terms of government policy are totally cool with it because it goes along with what they believe.
And you guys can argue the semantics of my original post all you want, but your cries of "BUT THE CHILDREN?!" ring pretty hollow if you were one of the people who "didn't think it was the appropriate time" when the parents from Sandy Hook suggested there should be better procedures/policies in place to keep a semi-automatic weapon out of the hands of a person who could potentially murder a bunch of little kids. If you weren't one of those people, then I wasn't talking about you.
Being born LGBT is definitely not the same as being born with green eyes. Being born with green eyes is controlled by genes. There is no transgender gene. He refers to chemistry differences as a driving force. Most of the research I have read about is similar to what he mentions. They think that certain hormones and chemicals are released either too late or too early during brain formation in the womb. For example, a male baby might not get a certain hormone at the appropriate time during the brain's development resulting in the brain forming like a female brain instead of a male brain.That science points to the equivalent of a birth defect that potentially could be treated. I'm not sure much research is actually being done anymore because LGBT people don't like the optics of being thought of as having a birth defect.
I will say again. I am pretty much a libertarian, so I don't really care much about the issue one way or the other. I just don't like a lot of the bs that is thrown out.
LGBT seem to frequently mention being sexually abused children or some other significant childhood trauma.
That is something difficult to admit and come to terms with, or can be repressed memories if not admitted.
It seems to me LGBT is more likely a psychological coping mechanism than somehow we have evolved as species to preserve traits at some 5% clip that work directly against gene survival.
That is something difficult to admit and come to terms with, or can be repressed memories if not admitted.
It seems to me LGBT is more likely a psychological coping mechanism than somehow we have evolved as species to preserve traits at some 5% clip that work directly against gene survival.
^ Frankly, I haven't delved, like, super deep into this stuff, but from the stuff I've read (and I have been and am generalizing), the more we know about the human body the more the concept of gender isn't all that black and white. Chemicals is kinda my shorthand for it. Maybe green eyes isn't a good analogy, but what about left-handedness? Your dominant hand is controlled by a number of influences, including genetics and environment. And, bonus points, it was once considered a sign of evil. In Latin, iirc (been a while), left-handed is something like "sinestra" or sinister (right is dextra or something linked to the word dexterity).
Well, it's kinda true, you're are more likely to be kidnapped and have a serrated glass shard slowly inserted in your piss dispenser by a left handed person.
I don't trust left handers. Call me a bigot. I don't care.
Nobody, including know that people would do those things. And I have never heard of gay people being assaulted for holding hands, much less all the time.
I'm not wrong. You never wanted equality. You wanted the government to change the definition of a religious practice. What ever happened to seperation of church and state?