"Great guy and great recruiter.....you guys got a good one"
FWIW..
FWIW..
This from a friend FSU booster about Gran...
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Please. No optimistic posts on this site. This is the football board. Only gloom and doom is acceptable.
PS. Thanks for the positive information. Just didn't know how to handle it.
This is just more evidence that Stoops has no clue and is "in way over his head." I mean, how do you hire a guy to your offense that hasn't ever called plays in the SEC? This isn't a training ground. We need an experienced SEC OC to stop this sinking ship. And to top it off, he brings in a QB coach to help him. This is obsurd!!
It is proof that Stoops need to go and is the problem of UK football and has been for the last 60 years.
Hinshaw was top 10 on Rivals. Gran was top 25 on ESPN. Both recruit south Florida and Ohio.
I believe I recently read somewhere where Hinshaw also recruits Virginia / DC area very well.....but my memory is not the steel trap my wife's is - ESPECIALLY IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG 20 YEARS APART "Remember in 1994 when you forgot to pay the water bill and we had to pay that 10% fee?"
My guy did mention a QB 'up your way' that he hoped FSU would still be able to get.....may have been this guy Boss
It could be man. Not sure if FSU is after him or not. He does have an offer from Ole Miss and UCLA though.
Hinshaw has built good connections in FL, GA and TN. Gran has done well in the past recruiting FL, AL, and GA. Obviously both have also built recent connections in OH where we already have a heavy presence. But despite previous coaching stops and areas of responsibility, both of these guys are capable of walking into a living room pretty much anywhere in the country and connecting with recruits and their families. So whatever area they get assigned to cover or help bolster, they will be a huge asset to our recruiting efforts.
I'm reading all the hype and seeing where these guys have coached, and just got me to thinking, on why have these guys moved around so much and left these big time programs. And ended up coaching at Cincy.
I must be missing something on why they were replaced if they're this good.
I must be missing something on why they were replaced if they're this good.
Gran wasn't replaced. He was a position coach at FSU that got hired and promoted at Cincy to OC. Hinshaw was an outstanding QB and WR coach at Tennessee. He just happened to have the misfortune of working for Derek Dooley. When Dooley was fired in 2012, Hinshaw just kind of got lost in the shuffle and ended up at Cincy. He's a terrific coach who has excelled everywhere he has been. The same is true for Gran.
I think it's the best hire UK could of made and probably the best decision Stoops has made here since he arrived but if I learned anything over the homerun hires UK has made in football starting with Mark Stoops, is our fence for Homeruns seem to be on a teeball field while others are hitting them out of Crosley. I 'll wait to see the results on the field before I wet myself.
Wasn't there a similar thread from WVU people who said what a great hire Dawson was too? Not comparing the two, but let's temper our expectations just a bit.
Wasn't there a similar thread from WVU people who said what a great hire Dawson was too? Not comparing the two, but let's temper our expectations just a bit.
Gran got the opportunity to be an offensive coordinator under his long time friend Tubberville. Up until that point he had been a damn good position coach. Tubbs gave him a chance and he made the most of it. Hinshaw is still an upcoming coach. He did a lot of good things at Tennessee but Butch Jones brought his own guys in there when he took the position. Just the way it is. Also coordinators and position coaches bounce around in coaching. Just because some one ends up at what you or I deem a lesser program doesn't mean they suck.
Coaches are like QBs they are made to be hired and fired or transfer. Whenever HC gets fired that means 8 to 9 guys looking for jobs. You would be hard pressed to find a coach who hasn't been ask to pack his bags at some point.
Gran and Tuberville had a previous relationship at UM and Auburn. After 25 years he must have wanted to be a coordinator pretty bad to work for that ******* again.
You summed up the life of a career assistant in a nutshell. Kind of like being in the military.
They both have landed 4 and 5 star recruits in the past as lead recruiters. Granted that was at schools like FSU, Auburn, and Tennessee, but still they are very good recruiters.
Still they are very good recruiters. We are already bringing in 4 star kids on the regular now. These two will only help. Both have very strong ties to Florida.
Not really. It was mixed or tempered a little more if I recall from the WVU side. Got the feeling he was talented but not sure if he was experienced enough. I've picked on him plenty but still think Dawson WILL end up being an upper end OC one day because I think he is sharp. Just needs to learn to deal with things a little better and learn to manage a little better. Comes with time.
Because both of those guys have a well documented history of excellent recruiting. You can go into the Rivals.com commitment lists and see which coaches recruited what players. This info is readily available right on this site dating back for the past 5-6 years. Both of these guys have made various lists (Rivals, ESPN, etc.) naming them top 25 recruiters on the national level. I believe Hinshaw even made the top 10 list one year. You don't make such lists unless you are a very good recruiter. In terms of ability to recruit, both Gran and Hinshaw have a great deal in common with Vince Marrow. They stress a family-oriented type of team atmosphere, are good communicators and know how to relate to recruits. Recruiting is all about building relationships and all 3 of those guys have a natural ability to do that, which is why they are so successful.
if these guys won recruiting battles for AU, UT, and FSU....wouldnt you think they won those against similar type schools? if your gonna get a 4 or 5 star recruit to commit to your school, your getting the job done.
Petrino, Brown, and many other solid OCs have worked for Tubbs. You need to read more.
You could also ask why a coach who has worked at all of the elite programs and had the Cincy offense humming would come to KY. He is coming because of his relationship with Stoops and to coach in the SEC again. Main reason he went to Cincy was because of his previous relationship with Tubberville and a chance to be an OC. It was not like he stunk and Cincy was his best offer. Believe it or not, relationships are still important in the coaching industry and Gran moving around us like any other coach because he has built a strong network with coaches all over the place and has come full circle with Stoops again.
Hinshaw is more of a mystery to me. If he is a great coach and recruiter it makes you wonder why Butch did not keep him, but again, the coaching world is all about networking and relationships and if Butch did not know him it makes it easier to understand why he did not keep him.
Keep mind Stoops did not know Neal, Shannon, and a few others when he took the KY job. Not saying he should have hired only his guys, but it's safe to say he did not have full trust in these guys and it effected the program.
Hinshaw is more of a mystery to me. If he is a great coach and recruiter it makes you wonder why Butch did not keep him, but again, the coaching world is all about networking and relationships and if Butch did not know him it makes it easier to understand why he did not keep him.
Keep mind Stoops did not know Neal, Shannon, and a few others when he took the KY job. Not saying he should have hired only his guys, but it's safe to say he did not have full trust in these guys and it effected the program.
You are thinking and reaching way too much. Coach Gran has a long history with coach Tuberville.
Try it this way......if you go to a school like UK which seems just this side of a cesspool right now and they become competitive you write your own ticket. If the team stays bad.....well it was a mess from before I got there.
sort of like....uh....I don't know....uh.........maybe.....UK FOOTBALL'S!!Because there would be too much drama and divides in the locker room.