Losing to a middle of the pack GT team as bad as we did is truly rock bottom. Every team left on our schedule is better than they are and thats scary.
This is rock bottom
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No rock bottom will be when there is 40,000
Slapdik fans at Lenny Lyles Cardinal Stadium on Senior day.
Sickening.
Slapdik fans at Lenny Lyles Cardinal Stadium on Senior day.
Sickening.
Yep, me and my crew were talking about this last night. Hell, Wake Forest might have more fans there on 10/27.
It's not rock bottom, yet. It is coming if last night is any indication.
As the OP correctly pointed out, every single team left on the schedule is better than Georgia Tech and the Yellow Jackets destroyed us.
Kerry is more than likely correct about when rock bottom happens. When UofK comes to town and the Cards are sitting at 2-9 with between 10,000 and 15,000 fans in the stands with 40,000+ UofK fans stinking up the stadium, THAT will be rock bottom.
As the OP correctly pointed out, every single team left on the schedule is better than Georgia Tech and the Yellow Jackets destroyed us.
Kerry is more than likely correct about when rock bottom happens. When UofK comes to town and the Cards are sitting at 2-9 with between 10,000 and 15,000 fans in the stands with 40,000+ UofK fans stinking up the stadium, THAT will be rock bottom.
Actually, I don't think this is anywhere close to "rock bottom."
I'm looking at things from the total athletics POV. In fact, it may just be starting. People at the top think there needs to be fundamental change. That ain't about one sport...
I'm looking at things from the total athletics POV. In fact, it may just be starting. People at the top think there needs to be fundamental change. That ain't about one sport...
I agree with you. And like I have previously stated. Be prepared for this team to finish 2-10-3-9 or 4-8. Because when I look at the remaining schedule, I see no victories.
2-10 is a real possibility. The crazy thing is that we could be talking 1-11 because they should have lost to WKU. That was a lucky win.
6 games left and I do not see 1 win left on the schedule. Teams are getting healthy on Louisville.
Look for BC to bounce back in a big way next week off their loss today to NC State.
The overall athletics department is in great hands. The President’s office is in great hands. A big hurdle is navigating through these faulty contracts.
Someone posted that GT is 15-1 cross division all time. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, then its understandable that the teams that don't see this system every year struggle against it. but 66 points?
Walk of shame, is that what Card March is called now?
Thank you for your brilliant contracts Tom Jurich! Bobby just quit, you no longer can coach! Then its a clean sweep!
You’re right - Jurich sucked as an AD - just effing terrible.
You’re right - Jurich sucked as an AD - just effing terrible.
Not at first. But later power corrupted him.
Didn't Tyra just extend several of those contracts after banking a huge adidas check? That Jurich guy didn't know WTF he was doing.
Money is dribbling in, attendance continues to skid, and both revenue sports are on wobbly legs. They wrote a song about us...
Pitino and Petrino are the faulty contracts. I applaud the majority of what Jurich accomplished. However the contracts of these two are not his finest work.
Are you comparing that to contracts other schools write? Or are you just b!tching in a vacuum?...
The Powell fiasco should’ve resulted in an update to Pitino’s contract. I don’t know if any other school that had a stripper scandal so yes, I guess that’s “b!tching in a vacuum”. The Petrino contract did not necessitate a 3 year buyout - there was no interest from comparable schools for his services. Then again, I don’t know of any other instances were a school rehired a coach who had fallen on hard times so I guess I’m “b!tching in a vacuum”.
Tom Jurich was an excellent AD for the Cards. His ONLY fault IMO was being too loyal to his coaches. What he accomplished during his time at UofL was astounding.
I wish he were still the AD at UofL.
I wish he were still the AD at UofL.
"Hope" is not something I put a lotta thought into. I believe if you deserve something and work hard at it, it usually happens. If that's Mack, he doesn't need my hope--he'll achieve it.
A fill-in like Tyra should be hoping 2X to cover for me...
He for damn sure was by 2016. We were CFP contenders, and NOBODY was b!tching about his pay or contract...And in 2014 Bobby Petrino was a bright spot.
A little misleading as we were CFB playoff contenders. I mean we were for 4 games but once we lost to Clemson we were pretty much done. Barely beat Duke, final drive to beat a 2-5 UVA team, the weird Wake Forest game that we trailed for 3.5 quarters and somehow won by 4 TDs, then the 3 straight losses.
Again it isn't that people were "mad" when he signed the extension it was just a confusing move for a coach that was 17-9 and already very well compensated and not at risk for leaving. Its only been magnified because of how far we've fell since he signed it.
I just quoted an independent reference in the "Pat Forde $6 million buyout" thread that ranks Pitino's contract as 44th most lucrative.
Sorry, but that's not overcompensated for a coach of Petrino's stature except with the benefit of hindsight...
Tenn football got busted with the hostesses right? Can't remember what happened there. Seemed like it wasn't frowned upon too much. I mean it was reported. Some grumpy old men pretended to be disgusted with their microphones turned on, but eh, did Tenn get any penalties? I can't say they did or didn't I don't remember. I don't remember who their coach was at the time either. Maybe Fulmer. Maybe not.
They were not done after the Clemson game. They went into the Houston game with a lot on the line. All the other fringe teams for the playoffs had losses the Cards were being hyped up by the media, there was actually a lot of interest in seeing Lamar Jackson on the big stage for some, while others that of course prefer tradition did not like the idea of UofL sniffing around the playoff discussion. I recall ESPN mouthpieces being split on it. Joey Galloway tOSU homer was firmly against it, but a few others were not.
Cards were certainly in the hunt for the playoffs heading into Houston. Houston had a ranked team and it was a road game on prime time with the country watching. It was UofL's chance to firmly stamp themselves as contenders. And they face planted.
Don't think the issue was "is Bobby Petrino getting a fair salary" I think it was, "why is Tom Jurich negotiating against himself?"
What were Petrino's options at the end of 2015? Two solid seasons, nothing great, still had a huge buyout if he left on his own so why optionally give a man with no options a longer contract and more money? Remember this was before Lamar's Heisman season.
Yeah, face planting on national TV has been Petrino's 2.0 speciality.
It's hard to know what anybody's options are going to be. Petrino has a history of job hopping and the Cards had just recently lost a successful coach in Charlie Strong, and the AD didn't want to see another good coach skip town.
It can't be denied he's a big name. After the Arkansas fiasco people said he'd never coach again. He's had two jobs since. I'm betting after he leaves here, he coaches again somewhere else.
The program was trending up after his second season. Jackson had a coming out party in his bowl game and it can't be denied the trend was going the right way. Just like it can't be denied the trend is going the wrong direction now LOL
He's more known for the neck brace post accident photo than anything else, but that is just my opinion on that!
Again, you don't know what Petrino's options were five years removed from the Arkansas debacle and three years into his tenures at WKU/U of L. You're just unhappy looking back on what has happened since then...
I don't know for certain what his options were, you're right.
However we can logically examine his options at the time and come to a realistic conclusion about what they were.
Multiple well connected entities wrote articles surprised about the extension. Petrino was 17-9 at the time. Textbook definition of mediocre record. His buyout was over $10 million. He was being paid over $3 million a year already. So, how likely was it that a major program was willing to:
- hire a coach with a horrendous reputation
- hire a coach who had an embarrassing dismissal
- pay $10 million to hire him
- pay him a top 25 salary
- hire a coach who went 23-13 in his 3 seasons since returning to football
Now, we can get philosophical here and say that we don't with total certainty know what his options were but based on the situation we can come to a realistic conclusion that he likely was not at any risk of being hired away.
Not sure it's philosophical - we just don't really know.
Every year multiple jobs open up, and coaches with winning records are candidates to fill positions, as well as assistants.
His reputation for being an offensive mind is a national one. His reputation for being slime is also noted!
A P5 hired Mike Leach despite his reputation. I will agree, most programs don't take those type of chances, but some do.
The contract/buyout looks horrible today, it can't be denied. But at the time it was made, it wasn't based on a 2-3 year performance either. It was made based on the success he'd had at UofL and Arkansas, his entire resume. One of the faults in your talking points is your selective application of time frames that suit your opinions. It's not that your opinions are bad, I enjoy your posts.
And the AD was seeking continuity within the program - and it's hard to argue against that goal considering the revolving door the program has had at the HC position.
It just doesn't appear to have worked out.
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I agree the threat was always there with the UF and UT jobs coming open and the trickle down effect of that, I'm just saying it was a heavy risk to once again bet on Petrino and handcuff the university just on the outside chance that a big time program would come after him and fork over millions of dollars for the rights to do so. I don't doubt for a second that another program would hire Petrino, my point was that I don't believe for 1 second that a major program would be willing to fork over a huge chunk of money to buy him out, take the PR hit and fan revolt and then pay him more than he was making at Louisville. I just don't think there was at that time the threat of a big time program doing that. Had Petrino been setting the world on fire and went 20-4 maybe go ahead and get an extension in place. But a mediocre record and a huge buyout pretty much locked him to UL for the duration of that original contract.