This place is toxic

Eagles_Ball_69

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While we have some posters who should think a little more before hitting the "Post reply" button, I will take passion over apathy. That passion is what keeps us from fading away like Indiana and UCLA. That rising frustration is what puts pressure on those in control to make changes.

It's what made Cal take his sycophantic posse out of state. It's what put the "For Sale" sign in Tubby's yard. It's what compelled Cutler to run down Billy G. If you're a UK fan message boarder, you learn to embrace the insanity and ride the waves, even if you disagree with the takes.
This X a million! Rack him!

If all this board did was fawn over Pope and the players, no matter the results, it would be a cult and not a community.
 
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:ROFLMAO: Have a great day.

a chimpanzee wearing a justice league shirt is typing on a computer keyboard
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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Are you familiar with the opposite of toxicity? It’s called toxic positivity, it’s when people aggressively push a point of view where everything is positive and wonderful. It’s basically sticking your head in the sand when things go downhill.

We have to look at the bigger picture here: the losses on their own don’t matter. It’s Pope’s vague responses and body language that exudes a lack of confidence in both himself and the team. It’s the rumors floating about the current players that are making everyone antsy. It’s missing out on virtually every top tier recruit with no real solution on how to absolve our recruiting problems despite having one of the highest NILs in the country.

Hell, even the losses are pretty painful considering both teams that won pretty much blew us out. Even the losses from last year are concerning considering it was mostly blowouts. Getting blown out by Alabama in the SEC tournament and then getting blown out by Tennessee a team you beat twice the same season does not inspire confidence.

Sometimes you have to accept when things are going wrong that there is probably no solution. I don’t think Pope has the ability nor experience to right this ship. As it stands I don’t think anything changes, and that terrifies me. Even more terrifying is possibly seeing this crap expand into next year. There are very real systemic problems with Pope’s tenure at Kentucky that I’m not sure he can figure out on his own.

I’ll pray for a miracle, but when you see your house on fire in front of you, you’re not going to pray the fire away. Someone has to extinguish the fire.
Sadly, this is DOBA.
 

Artlaibesghost

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I’m not your dude sir. Yea evil is everywhere including basketball but I was meaning in the world. Ever heard of the corruption going on with the sports gambling scandals in college and nba or do you still live with mommy?
Fella I've crapped worse than you. Good luck in your crusade against evil boy.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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I’m with you 100% on everything except the little fact of Pope being underwater and doesn’t have the ability to fix it. ( Don’t get me wrong I’m very concerned if he can save this.) Let’s say even if it were true, Pope has a support circle around him that he can talk to that actually has knowledge of how to fix this or tell him the obvious things he needs to hear. Now the question is will he rip a bandaid off if he needs to, now that is a question I have.
What support circle can fix this? Mark Fox? Kicking one or two dudes off or benching them isn't going to fix this mess. Aside from all the other stuff, this roster is an absolute mess. It doesn't fit well together at all.
 

Old Blue Fart

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I don't crap on the coach and players or salivate over rumors like a gossip hound, hence I said "nonsense". Reveal those that are big and bad and hide behind the PC to spew vomit. Bring it, big shot.
Why all the hate? You are the one who wanted transparency and I agree with you. All I said was be the leader and you come back with an insult.
You will never find post where I bad mouth a player or the coach.
But if you are going to suggest an answer to an issue, then be the leader, not a keyboard warrior.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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To be fair, that's a Straw Man.

It's always funny when people try to Straw Man me, because it never works.
I'm not even sure what that means, but Oweh isn't on mocks. He wasn't going to get drafted last year. And he's not getting drafted this year.
 

Forkman

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I'm not even sure what that means, but Oweh isn't on mocks. He wasn't going to get drafted last year. And he's not getting drafted this year.
You don't have google? It's when you accuse someone else of arguing something they are not, because it's a point you think you can win on. I'm happy to debate what I'm actually arguing.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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You don't have google? It's when you accuse someone else of arguing something they are not, because it's a point you think you can win on. I'm happy to debate what I'm actually arguing.
My bad. I think you're giving me too much credit. I'm not nearly smart enough to do something like that. I honestly wasn't trying to argue anything, just pointing out (sorta tongue in cheek, sorta not) that Oweh isn't an NBA talent.
 

Forkman

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My bad. I think you're giving me too much credit. I'm not nearly smart enough to do something like that. I honestly wasn't trying to argue anything, just pointing out (sorta tongue in cheek, sorta not) that Oweh isn't an NBA talent.
Well, I wasn't really giving you the credit you deserve if it was just an accident. We've all got genius inside us, friend.

Anyway, what I should have said, is that I am not trying to say that about Oweh. My argument had nothing to do with whether or not Oweh is an NBA prospect.
 

FilsonCat

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The season still has a long way to go, but the early indications are that we have another version of "team turmoil." I sincerely think that Pope is a great offensive mind, but the other demands of coaching at Kentucky include the recruiting and development of top talent. It is not going to be easy to win in the NIL era at Kentucky without recruiting the best and then developing them to their potential.

We have to recruit at the highest level, fundraise NIL at an ever increasing level, while at the same time managing egos and NIL driven distractions. We are in uncharted territory for our program, and few coaches out there could handle this type of scrutiny and pressure in year two.

There is a real danger that Pope created his own undoing during his opening press conference. He set unrealistic expectations for a fanbase that is desperate for change. We are desperate for national relevance and for number 9. Promising to get our program there when, in reality, we were facing a full ground-up rebuild of the roster and the culture of the program was folly. Pope might understand the Kentucky fanbase and the program with an apex Rick Pitino at the helm, but he will see the impatient and anxious side when the losses pile up this season.

I like Pope and want him to succeed, but unless he's able to turn this season around from the brink, we are in for a rough time. The SEC will not play down when Kentucky is on the court. We get everyone's best shot, and it is a real shame that we don't give our opponents the same courtesy.
 
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Skyguyb27

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What support circle can fix this? Mark Fox? Kicking one or two dudes off or benching them isn't going to fix this mess. Aside from all the other stuff, this roster is an absolute mess. It doesn't fit well together at all.
lol you think Mark Fox is his support cycle ?
 

Skyguyb27

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I sure as hell hope not.
I think through Pope’s journey from 96 Cats to 8 years in the NBA and still being close to Pitino and the players he played with along the way, there are plenty of people and mentors close to Pope. Im kinda surprised you would instantly go to Mark Fox. A very weird first guess comsidering Pope’s pedigree.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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I think through Pope’s journey from 96 Cats to 8 years in the NBA and still being close to Pitino and the players he played with along the way, there are plenty of people and mentors close to Pope. Im kinda surprised you would instantly go to Mark Fox. A very weird first guess comsidering Pope’s pedigree.
I mean, the dude sits in the chair next to him. Gave him his first job. Bu I certainly hope he’s got other people than his staff to reach out to, you’re correct about that.
 
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Skyguyb27

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I mean, the dude sits in the chair next to him. Gave him his first job. Bu I certainly hope he’s got other people than his staff to reach out to, you’re correct about that.
The only problem is, we are 5 games in and this thing looks like it’s getting worse so I maybe be completely wrong about him seeking advice. I said last game I am losing faith in his decision making and his ability tongetnokayers to buy into his system and to save this thing. It’s premature maybe to some but this seems bad to me.