Thoughts from Gebbia's dad
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Nice article and something positive for a change. Regardless of what some on here think, every time we make these changes, I think we get behind even more.
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Most fans are sick and tired of being behind-- in the score of the games that is
I'm not surprised.
Relationships are a big part of the deal.
The fact is, if Riley is gone, he's not going to end up at another major program, he's probably retired. It's not like any players can follow him like a few did Bo.
The new coach would have to recruit his own program first. It's not that far fetched to believe 98% of the players stay once they talk to the new coach.
Plus every coach has different connections.
It's never easy going through a change. You have to believe what you're doing will be good down the road, better than the current trajectory. Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end.
No one doubts Riley is a good guy. But lots of coaches are, it's not bo or Riley.
I know it's a pipe dream, but in a perfect world Riley would get at least six wins and bow out. That would cause the least damage.
I just don't see any proof in the past or present that proves Riley can be a consistent winner. Maybe he wins out and changes that perception.
Relationships are a big part of the deal.
The fact is, if Riley is gone, he's not going to end up at another major program, he's probably retired. It's not like any players can follow him like a few did Bo.
The new coach would have to recruit his own program first. It's not that far fetched to believe 98% of the players stay once they talk to the new coach.
Plus every coach has different connections.
It's never easy going through a change. You have to believe what you're doing will be good down the road, better than the current trajectory. Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end.
No one doubts Riley is a good guy. But lots of coaches are, it's not bo or Riley.
I know it's a pipe dream, but in a perfect world Riley would get at least six wins and bow out. That would cause the least damage.
I just don't see any proof in the past or present that proves Riley can be a consistent winner. Maybe he wins out and changes that perception.
Well there certainly is no discussion of Nebraska as a team in that article, only individuals. I do think Tristan has a bright future at Nebraska. It's just going to be with a different head coach.
It's a piece of **** article where a "journalist" contacts a players family about something that hasn't happened.
Holy crap. A sportswriter contacted a players parent about the future of his sons head coach? Un freaking real.
There may not be an I in team but there is Me, at least according to dad. Nice of him to peg his son with his contingency opinions.
The dad played it how he had to. The interesting part of that article is how they talk about the CB coach and the connection, a little inside info on how that really works. It's the coaches of the young players liking the coaches of the school, not much mention of parents in that level. Good read.
This is more like parents talking to parents than an article. "Hey, did you hear, Riley might not be here next year...what do you think about that?"
Oh, wait...can I be the first to do the old "Fine...we don't need him...kid was toxic" bit?
I don't think some 15 year old starting his 10th grade season is worried about if some old man he doesn't know is getting canned or not...I am sure he is more worried about school, sports, friends, girls, parties, driving, girls, sports, music, girls, friends, parties, clothes, girls, friends, girls, movies, sports, girls, working out, girls, family, school, girls, food, sports, girls, food, food, food, girls, sports, netflix, snapchat, texting, snapchat, girls, texting...you get the idea.
Oh, wait...can I be the first to do the old "Fine...we don't need him...kid was toxic" bit?
I don't think some 15 year old starting his 10th grade season is worried about if some old man he doesn't know is getting canned or not...I am sure he is more worried about school, sports, friends, girls, parties, driving, girls, sports, music, girls, friends, parties, clothes, girls, friends, girls, movies, sports, girls, working out, girls, family, school, girls, food, sports, girls, food, food, food, girls, sports, netflix, snapchat, texting, snapchat, girls, texting...you get the idea.
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I couldn't care less what KJ has to say. But, to his point ---- Huskers were 3-6-1 in 1691, and 15-32-1 in 5 years under Bill Jennings when the Bobfather came to town. Devaney went 9-2; 5-2 in '62, 10-0 and won the Big 8 at 7-0 his SECOND year, 9-2 and won his SECOND consecutive Big 8 title in his THIRD year - and the rest, as they say is history. So, in fact Nebraska was built in 3 years - and some may argue in 2 years.
QUOTE="tro80, post: 3827187, member: 35813"]I couldn't care less what KJ has to say. But, to his point ---- Huskers were 3-6-1 in 1691, and 15-32-1 in 5 years under Bill Jennings when the Bobfather came to town. Devaney went 9-2; 5-2 in '62, 10-0 and won the Big 8 at 7-0 his SECOND year, 9-2 and won his SECOND consecutive Big 8 title in his THIRD year - and the rest, as they say is history. So, in fact Nebraska was built in 3 years - and some may argue in 2 years.[/QUOTE]
I wonder what the uniforms looked like back in 1691?
I wonder what the uniforms looked like back in 1691?
What we expect the folks quoted in the article to say? They are saying let the experiment play out. Maybe they are right. And who knows, maybe we see a strong uptick in play starting Saturday and by the end of the Iowa game people are waiting for the announcement. But it would seem that the majority of the fansbase is either off the Riley bus or are not going to cancel their 2018 tickets if he is let go.
But dads and 7 on 7 coaches won't determine the future of the program.
But dads and 7 on 7 coaches won't determine the future of the program.
It is unreal. I think it's a bush league move. Very unprofessional IMO. Not going to give them a click.
It would be a huge mistake and would indeed set the program back to fire Riley.
Just look at Alabama with Shula and now since they fired Shula. I personally don’t see Alabama coming back from that mistake.
Oklahoma made a similar mistake letting John Blake go.
Florida Gators followed the mistake trend and actually fired a top recruiter for some unknown from Utah! Couldn’t even tell you that coaches name because he faded into obscurity so fast.
Just look at Alabama with Shula and now since they fired Shula. I personally don’t see Alabama coming back from that mistake.
Oklahoma made a similar mistake letting John Blake go.
Florida Gators followed the mistake trend and actually fired a top recruiter for some unknown from Utah! Couldn’t even tell you that coaches name because he faded into obscurity so fast.
Interesting article. While we fans may not "like" it, none of those people had to speak to a reporter. A couple of take aways.
1. Gebbia's dad was fine. I would expect that out of any parent. He never went nuclear with the "Imma take my ball and go home if Riley ain't here" speech but was still supportive of Mike.
2. The guy from the 7 on 7 league in the article sounded full of self-importance. He was the "Director of Recruitment" saying his kids will start looking at OU if Riley gets fired. Those things should raise red flags.
3. This guy literally said, “I wouldn’t send a kid to Nebraska without Donte Williams being there. We trust Donte with our kids" ought to raise a gigantic red flag. So he is saying that if Riley cans Williams but stays we still aren't getting his guys. Has he seen our dbacks play under Williams? Maybe it's just a good relationship with the coach that he is talking about. However, if you are trying to get your kids in the best spot, I'm not sure Williams has shown that it is playing for him.
4. According to this guy firing Riley and staff is all bad...unless he brings in Mike Leach. Then it becomes a good thing? He says that Leach might come to Nebraska if we give him a boatload of money. Why is this guy so interested in us getting Leach? I'm not sure it's the reporter that is being shady. This guy is a monumental green...errrrr...red flag.
1. Gebbia's dad was fine. I would expect that out of any parent. He never went nuclear with the "Imma take my ball and go home if Riley ain't here" speech but was still supportive of Mike.
2. The guy from the 7 on 7 league in the article sounded full of self-importance. He was the "Director of Recruitment" saying his kids will start looking at OU if Riley gets fired. Those things should raise red flags.
3. This guy literally said, “I wouldn’t send a kid to Nebraska without Donte Williams being there. We trust Donte with our kids" ought to raise a gigantic red flag. So he is saying that if Riley cans Williams but stays we still aren't getting his guys. Has he seen our dbacks play under Williams? Maybe it's just a good relationship with the coach that he is talking about. However, if you are trying to get your kids in the best spot, I'm not sure Williams has shown that it is playing for him.
4. According to this guy firing Riley and staff is all bad...unless he brings in Mike Leach. Then it becomes a good thing? He says that Leach might come to Nebraska if we give him a boatload of money. Why is this guy so interested in us getting Leach? I'm not sure it's the reporter that is being shady. This guy is a monumental green...errrrr...red flag.
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Not surprised someone who built a relationship with Riley would be supportive of keeping him longer. It seems things are farther from where we want to be than they were 4 years ago, although I do feel the culture and relationship of players with fans has improved.
Living in Ohio, I do worry that Nebraska could fall into the 'Cleveland Browns Syndrome'. Changing staffs/AD/etc every 3 to 4 years will erode the baseline to a point where rebuilding is a monumental task, rather than the seemingly achievable one faced now. I think Moos(and the donors/fanbase) should consider this offseason a watershed time. If Riley stays, then stop the rumors(probably not feasible). If he is gone, then the new coaches need 5 years minimum to establish some modicum of consistency. I feel MR made things worse for himself in not biting the bullet and establishing his system in year 1, it is clearly hurting the team now when they should be accelerating success due to efficiency rather than climbing the learning curve.
Living in Ohio, I do worry that Nebraska could fall into the 'Cleveland Browns Syndrome'. Changing staffs/AD/etc every 3 to 4 years will erode the baseline to a point where rebuilding is a monumental task, rather than the seemingly achievable one faced now. I think Moos(and the donors/fanbase) should consider this offseason a watershed time. If Riley stays, then stop the rumors(probably not feasible). If he is gone, then the new coaches need 5 years minimum to establish some modicum of consistency. I feel MR made things worse for himself in not biting the bullet and establishing his system in year 1, it is clearly hurting the team now when they should be accelerating success due to efficiency rather than climbing the learning curve.
Dafuq? You're missing back-to-back seasons of 6-4 which was a 5th and 4th place conference finish of 8 teams. Both were losing records in conference as well.
So no, Nebraska wasn't built in 2 or 3 years.
It also was a huge mistake to bring OSU staff with him......and to switch defensive systems in a critical year.
Screw that.
1) Riley wasn't brought here to "rebuild" a 9 win program. He was brought in because BP finally pissed enough people off that he couldn't stay here anymore.
2) I don't remember the presser where it was stated that this program was going to be torn down to the studs and we were going to take it up the rump for 4-5 years while we "rebuilt" -- or, more accurately -- floundered about looking for an offense, competent assistant coaches, a competent DC, and a competent OC (still looking for that at the end of year 3).
3) There is nothing -- nothing -- "building" about getting rolled by NIU and hanging on for dear life against Ark. State. Is losing the last 2 to Ohio State 118-17 "building" something? How about crapping the bed against unranked Oregon, giving up video game numbers in the first half? To a team we beat last year? More evidence of "building"?
Recruiting rankings are virtually the same as what Pelini was pulling here.
If something is being "built" there should be some evidence of it somewhere other than people saying you're building.
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Nebraska wasn't built in 2-3 years
the question is - are we building or tearing down?
Riley had a blue print for building the program when he was hired. That blue print had to be torn up due to his disastrous assistant coaching hires. He now has to start over in year 3 or 4. Looks like he isn't going to get a mulligan so he can start over again.
No one expected a championship in year 3 but you can't preside over a **** show and expect to keep your job.
the question is - are we building or tearing down?
Riley had a blue print for building the program when he was hired. That blue print had to be torn up due to his disastrous assistant coaching hires. He now has to start over in year 3 or 4. Looks like he isn't going to get a mulligan so he can start over again.
No one expected a championship in year 3 but you can't preside over a **** show and expect to keep your job.
It is not the changes that set us back ... it is the repeated F ups in the original hires that require us to make changes that set us back
you don't get closer to your destination by continuing to head in the wrong direction - the sooner you alter your course and proceed in proper direction the sooner you reach your destination
I wonder if Keyshawn Johnson and Mr Armond Hawkins even watch Nebraska. Most of this board would still be Pro-Riley "IF" the football team played well and just lost. The problem is not the loses. The problem is the awful play-calling on offense, continually bad O-line play (a unit that should not be in rebuild mode), dumb mistakes, penalties, drop balls, lethargic players, etc... When Mark Philipp has to come out with the players so he can be the "ra-ra" coach / motivator, there's a problem.
If the worst thing that happens to the program after firing Riley is NU loses the " Calibraska connection", then so be it. I mean, is that connection even that strong? The only commit from CA last year that's actually on the team is Gebbia and as good of a QB he is, I am not sure he'd be ideal for a spread-option
If the worst thing that happens to the program after firing Riley is NU loses the " Calibraska connection", then so be it. I mean, is that connection even that strong? The only commit from CA last year that's actually on the team is Gebbia and as good of a QB he is, I am not sure he'd be ideal for a spread-option
Many here felt Keyshaun shouldn't be criticized during the recruiting process. He needs some criticism today because he evidently isn't watching the games. Plus, the hiring and firings of assistant coaches cannot be placed on Bo. (At least I don't think so. However I am sure some that some on this board will find a way to blame it on Bo's toxicity.). Key is making himself look foolish.
Come on guys...it takes TIME to beat NIU! It takes TIME to hold off Ark St.
This is so spot on it's not even funny. If a very good head coach is hired, we will be winning 9 games again in our 2nd season, and will be in the B1G championship game 3 years (at most) into the regime.