Threshold

[xxxbobxxx]

Not looking for 320, galo, etc. But for gordie, ppd, fitzphile - not like I expect responses (I think gordie has snowflaked me) - but what’s your transfer threshold before you will flame the program? Boo? Any of the frosh? MN

This will be the least responded thread cuz tough questions are tough.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

If every NU player transfers, they'll still defend "he who shall not be challenged"

 

[GatoLouco]

Julian Roper had a pretty public snafu with Collins in the B1G tournament.

Nothing abnormal in itself, Izzo is considered a great coach and sometimes has them right on the court with players.

Except there had been zero, that anyone had spotted, before the Roper incident. So one wonders if that was an isolated incident, the beginning of such displays or, imo more likely, that behind locker room doors, things are not as rosy in the trust the coach department as we may think.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Not looking for 320, galo, etc. But for gordie, ppd, fitzphile - not like I expect responses (I think gordie has snowflaked me) - but what’s your transfer threshold before you will flame the program? Boo? Any of the frosh? MN

This will be the least responded thread cuz tough questions are tough.

Stop being dumb Bob. I have been publicly stating that NU is making a mistake keeping CCC for this season. As Gato states, there is nothing to sell here. I have been VERY critical of NU’s commitment to winning. You are the King of the archives, I sure you can find plenty examples.

What I don’t do that you seem to be critical of is blame everything but the Spanish Civil war on CCC. You of all people should understand that being inside the athletics department many moons ago. I also challenge posters that have obvious axes to grind. I don’t buy the argument that NU has sufficient talent to win. I said it BEFORE the season and the haters attacked me for making cover for CCC’s poor record.

so keep firing on me or Gordie or whoever doesn’t come out and “flame” the program, But at least have the decency to represent my thoughts semi-accurately. It amazes me that you the guy who infamously called anyone that wasn’t ready to burn down the house with the football program “Purple Koolaid Klan” and bitched and whined when they challenged you, have come full circle and is leading the charge attacking others thoughts. Weren’t you the protector from the bullies in the PKK? Promoting free thought. Who is the bully now, Bob.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

If every NU player transfers, they'll still defend "he who shall not be challenged"

And you will still give us +/- from your YMCA game and pawn it off as Coaching strategy.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Stop being dumb Bob. I have been publicly stating that NU is making a mistake keeping CCC for this season. As Gato states, there is nothing to sell here. I have been VERY critical of NU’s commitment to winning. You are the King of the archives, I sure you can find plenty examples.

What I don’t do that you seem to be critical of is blame everything but the Spanish Civil war on CCC. You of all people should understand that being inside the athletics department many moons ago. I also challenge posters that have obvious axes to grind. I don’t buy the argument that NU has sufficient talent to win. I said it BEFORE the season and the haters attacked me for making cover for CCC’s poor record.

so keep firing on me or Gordie or whoever doesn’t come out and “flame” the program, But at least have the decency to represent my thoughts semi-accurately. It amazes me that you the guy who infamously called anyone that wasn’t ready to burn down the house with the football program “Purple Koolaid Klan” and bitched and whined when they challenged you, have come full circle and is leading the charge attacking others thoughts. Weren’t you the protector from the bullies in the PKK? Promoting free thought. Who is the bully now, Bob.

I don’t think I’m bullying one bit. I recall unveiled insults hurled at the likes of Turk and wrassler. And I did come out and attack those folks. If you equate my asking what point would make you stop supporting a program, maybe pick up a phone or send an email is an insult, then I think you are a bit sensitive.

Also, somewhere in these threads I lay blame beyond CCC. The AD, the Prez and even the fans that continue to support.

The one area we disagree is the talent level. I believe plenty of talent was brought on campus but not developed and not coached. You disagree. Fine - we can agree to disagree. I see a program that could have variable success, you see a program that cannot ever achieve that due to systemic deficiencies.

Now, if it doesn’t hurt your feelings too much, is there a point that you would stop supporting the program? If so, what would it take?

 

[xxxbobxxx]

And you will still give us +/- from your YMCA game and pawn it off as Coaching strategy.

Seems his approach has at least as much validity as whatever illuminating metrics CCC employed

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Stop being dumb Bob. I have been publicly stating that NU is making a mistake keeping CCC for this season. As Gato states, there is nothing to sell here. I have been VERY critical of NU’s commitment to winning. You are the King of the archives, I sure you can find plenty examples.

What I don’t do that you seem to be critical of is blame everything but the Spanish Civil war on CCC. You of all people should understand that being inside the athletics department many moons ago. I also challenge posters that have obvious axes to grind. I don’t buy the argument that NU has sufficient talent to win. I said it BEFORE the season and the haters attacked me for making cover for CCC’s poor record.

so keep firing on me or Gordie or whoever doesn’t come out and “flame” the program, But at least have the decency to represent my thoughts semi-accurately. It amazes me that you the guy who infamously called anyone that wasn’t ready to burn down the house with the football program “Purple Koolaid Klan” and bitched and whined when they challenged you, have come full circle and is leading the charge attacking others thoughts. Weren’t you the protector from the bullies in the PKK? Promoting free thought. Who is the bully now, Bob.

Oh, and gordie is delusional. Not insult, factual. Just go back and read his posts throughout the season. He’s essentially another version of wrassler.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I don’t think I’m bullying one bit. I recall unveiled insults hurled at the likes of Turk and wrassler. And I did come out and attack those folks. If you equate my asking what point would make you stop supporting a program, maybe pick up a phone or send an email is an insult, then I think you are a bit sensitive.

Also, somewhere in these threads I lay blame beyond CCC. The AD, the Prez and even the fans that continue to support.

The one area we disagree is the talent level. I believe plenty of talent was brought on campus but not developed and not coached. You disagree. Fine - we can agree to disagree. I see a program that could have variable success, you see a program that cannot ever achieve that due to systemic deficiencies.

Now, if it doesn’t hurt your feelings too much, is there a point that you would stop supporting the program? If so, what would it take?

So, Gordie is not attacked by numerous posters on the board? What am I missing? He has unpopular thoughts so he gets tore to shreds. You calling out Gordie multiple times is not the same bullying you called out the PKK for doing to Turk, Wrassler or whomever? All the cheap shots at him in posts he isn’t even responding to are now OK?

Why is the man not allowed to express his thoughts? When he does people on here act like he’s the Frankenstein monster. All I want is a little consistency from you in your arguments. You are an attorney. I don’t see you riding in on your big white steed protecting Gordie as you did Turk? The only difference is Gordie has a pro-NU or Pro-CCC stance. It’s easy to be part of a mob or Klan, Bob. Look in the mirror on that one.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Oh, and gordie is delusional. Not insult, factual. Just go back and read his posts throughout the season. He’s essentially another version of wrassler.

Or your pal, Mike Webb?

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Oh, and gordie is delusional. Not insult, factual. Just go back and read his posts throughout the season. He’s essentially another version of wrassler.

So what? What you reference as fact, might not be his facts. If he wants to believe CCC is stay another 20 years, why can’t he have that opinion?

There are a LOT of things broke in the basketball program. I think (opinion) that anyone here that can’t see that is delusional. I think anyone that twists every issue to insure it lands at CCC’s feet are delusional. That does make my statement factual.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

So, Gordie is not attacked by numerous posters on the board? What am I missing? He has unpopular thoughts so he gets tore to shreds. You calling out Gordie multiple times is not the same bullying you called out the PKK for doing to Turk, Wrassler or whomever? All the cheap shots at him in posts he isn’t even responding to are now OK?

Why is the man not allowed to express his thoughts? When he does people on here act like he’s the Frankenstein monster. All I want is a little consistency from you in your arguments. You are an attorney. I don’t see you riding in on your big white steed protecting Gordie as you did Turk? The only difference is Gordie has a pro-NU or Pro-CCC stance. It’s easy to be part of a mob or Klan, Bob. Look in the mirror on that one.

Guess I don’t see it that way. And I don’t think I have engage gordie in quite awhile once I realized his content didn’t have any value to me - similar to wrassler. But I absolutely would defend his right to post his nonsense. Absolutely. Same for wrassler, even corbi.

I think what we see here is endemic to our new culture. Once upon a time, folks could zealously debate differing opinions with color and energy. Now, if you aren’t with me, you are: racist, insulting, attacking, clueless….whatever.

Sorry but I subscribe to the original notion of bully and insult definitions. Turk, wrassler we’re absolutely being attacked. Remember the Turk grades? The open calls to ban them both? I don’t recall anyone calling for gordie to be banned. In fact, PWB is really the only one left that will engage him and I find the discussion to be quite fair. I find one side ridiculously wrong, but I see no personal attacks.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Or your pal, Mike Webb?

Mike - yes, he was fun and I hope is well and still at least reading the boards. Hey Mike!

 

[xxxbobxxx]

So what? What you reference as fact, might not be his facts. If he wants to believe CCC is stay another 20 years, why can’t he have that opinion?

There are a LOT of things broke in the basketball program. I think (opinion) that anyone here that can’t see that is delusional. I think anyone that twists every issue to insure it lands at CCC’s feet are delusional. That does make my statement factual.

He has stated opinions and ‘facts.’ You are mixing the two - intentionally, me thinks. He’s absolutely entitled to his opinions as is wrassler. They are simply not for me. But then, I don’t consume cnn, msnbc and many ‘journalists’ because I disagree with their definition of journalism and the value of their opinions.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

And you will still give us +/- from your YMCA game and pawn it off as Coaching strategy.

Plus/Minus is a valuable stat. NHL uses it, NBA uses it.
I produce "my own" because they aren't available free.

You don't like it solely because it can make Collins look bad for playing ineffective lineups.

Otherwise you would love it.

 

[GatoLouco]

I don't want to start a thread on who else might leave so will write some thoughts here.

There is a good chance we don't lose anyone else.

1) We don't usually see an exodus from the program. For as much as there's been some criticism of CC losing players, I am pretty sure we lose way below the average of what teams do
2) The players who left, since the tournament, were not what I'd consider the core of our rosters. Exceptions for Kopp (arguable I know) and now Young
3) Beran and Audige do not have a big market. And they are playing for a coach who overvalues them
4) Buie is in a moral conundrum where his brother is an AC
5) The rest of the roster is young, knows they either go down in conference quality or they won't play significant minutes. While staying, they probably will: Berry/Roper/Simmons/Barnhizer
6) Nicholson is a bit of a wild card. We have no decent frontcourt, someone will come from the portal. Quality remains to be seen. At the same time, if the kid has not understood CC is not a fan of his profile as a baller, he is being naive

The scenario I see us having more departures is miraculously landing Cam Spencer or some other backcourt higher profile guy. And our young dudes looking elsewhere for playing time.

That or the Roper incident was more than an isolated event. But I feel we would have seen someone other than Young jumping into the portal by now.

Having said this, there is a chance one backcourt guy leaving will create a critical mass effect and it snowballs into something like 3 guys leaving.

 

[NUCat320]

I don’t think anyone else is leaving, but Barnhizer had lower level offers and a lower ranking and, as such, came in behind Simmons in the pecking order. He’ll be in much the same minutes crunch next year.

 

[Hungry Jack]

I know the ship has sailed, but I would rather see Chase on the gridiron. He would be a very capable CB or RB for the football Cats. He is an exceptional, explosive athlete. It just does not translate to his offense on the court.

 

[GatoLouco]

I don’t think anyone else is leaving, but Barnhizer had lower level offers and a lower ranking and, as such, came in behind Simmons in the pecking order. He’ll be in much the same minutes crunch next year.

Didn't Barnhizer play PG during the IA massacre? Made me wonder if we don't know enough about him and CC sees him as the second option running the offense next season

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

Didn't Barnhizer play PG during the IA massacre? Made me wonder if we don't know enough about him and CC sees him as the second option running the offense next season

Barnhizer seems to me to be a promising option at small forward.
He seemed quick and he is definitely a physically imposing guy for his height. 6' 5" or 6'6" 215 lbs.
He plays with a high motor and looks decent defensively.
He couldn't find his shot but got very little playing time. Big scorer in high school.

I thought he played with a lot of energy - a lot of movement.
Could really step up for us, in my opinion, but is not lacking confidence and could easily transfer with the right "behind the scenes" outreach from another team.

 

[ricko6543211]

I know the ship has sailed, but I would rather see Chase on the gridiron. He would be a very capable CB or RB for the football Cats. He is an exceptional, explosive athlete. It just does not translate to his offense on the court.

This is an interesting concept. I could see Chase being an intriguing CB with his athleticism - though I sort of envision him being the type of CB that jumps routes and is prone to over-playing - so can make some big plays but also can get beat deep. RB - I certainly wouldn't have wanted to try to stop him in flag football, but I think he'd need to put on some more muscle to make it as a B1G RB, probably would have some good jukes but I think runs more upright and so would be too top-heavy for D-1 competition.

 

[Sec_112]

I watched Barnhizer really closely in warmups this year. I was hoping to see the outside shot we heard a bit about last summer. To be generous, it wasn't there.

It became an odd fascination with me. As the season wore down, I thought, "This is the night where I'll see a little something."

I'm sorry to say it was so bad that I'm writing off that aspect of his game.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

I watched Barnhizer really closely in warmups this year. I was hoping to see the outside shot we heard a bit about last summer. To be generous, it wasn't there.

It became an odd fascination with me. As the season wore down, I thought, "This is the night where I'll see a little something."

I'm sorry to say it was so bad that I'm writing off that aspect of his game.

Thats weird. I had the same general "this is going to be the game" feeling about Barnhizer, but it never happened.

I still think his shooting has a better chance than Simmons.

 

[hdhntr1]

Didn't Barnhizer play PG during the IA massacre? Made me wonder if we don't know enough about him and CC sees him as the second option running the offense next season

He was ill at the point last year that he might have gotten more significant minutes. Resally slowed his early development. Really do not know about what he brings yet

 

[GatoLouco]

I watched Barnhizer really closely in warmups this year. I was hoping to see the outside shot we heard a bit about last summer. To be generous, it wasn't there.

It became an odd fascination with me. As the season wore down, I thought, "This is the night where I'll see a little something."

I'm sorry to say it was so bad that I'm writing off that aspect of his game.

I am the weirdo that arrives to games 45 minutes or more before. Two reasons, free parking and looking at stuff like what you described.

Of course if I go to a team's games all the time that changes. But I only had the chance of going to one game this year. That was the tournament game against Nebraska. Like you, I found myself looking at Barnhizer a lot, and coming to the exact same thinking you did. Shooting did not look impressive.

There was also a specific drill they did where everyone ended up shooting from the 3 pt line. And my man Nicholson has one of the most atrocious looking 3 pt shot I've ever seen. Good double pistols though.s

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

"And my man Nicholson has one of the most atrocious looking 3 pt shot I've ever seen."

Thats good! Keep him within 10 feet of the basket where he belongs!

Maybe we should run a drill where our guards try to lob the ball into the low post - that would be comedy gold.