Tim Couch
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Because everybody loves trashing Barnhart
Blame Tim Couch? Have you seen his woman?
Yes, I see her every night...
No, we want to like Barny. He makes it easy to hate him.
Couch isn't the AD. Barnhart is.
Mark Stoops was the first person to ever get a job by making it known he was interested. Therefore, Barnhart doesn't get any credit for this hire.
Because he isn't paid a half a million dollars a year to make the hiring decisions. Barnhart is.
We all thought Stoops was a great hire. He still has a chance to turn it around. He better take over the defense though. Stoops was a top defensive coordinator coming from FSU. It's time to show it. Tell Elliot his services are no longer needed. He shouldn't commit career suicide by allowing Elliot to coach this defense. The offense is in good hands with Gran. Let Gran do his job and Stoops put 100% effort into this defense.
$730k/yr going to $925k by 2021.
in reality, he's never hired a FB coach he approached w an offer. Brooks and Stoops approached him and Joker was already here.. Are you getting your money's worth??
We really just need a good AD to make a good football hire. I believe Couch was involved yes, and I hear a lot of posters on here wanting ex-UK football players to be involved not only in coaching searches, but AD searches as well??? Hell, some want them coaching oat UK, even though they've never coached at any level before.
I mean Freddie Maggard seems like a nice guy and he knows football stuff, but was he even a good player when he was here? Folks act like he's some football genius around here with all the answers.
Jared Lorenzen? Loved him when he played but not crazy about him these days. He's cashing in on being really heavy and good for him in that respect, but he's gonna die soon if he doesn't lose weight and get healthy. Please don't trot him out there anymore to "fire up" the crowd, as well.
Do we really want ex players from a program with a history of losing heavily involved in the program? Hell, Joker was an ex-player, how did that work out? What UK football needs is not "more UK football from the past". The past here sucks.
I mean Freddie Maggard seems like a nice guy and he knows football stuff, but was he even a good player when he was here? Folks act like he's some football genius around here with all the answers.
Jared Lorenzen? Loved him when he played but not crazy about him these days. He's cashing in on being really heavy and good for him in that respect, but he's gonna die soon if he doesn't lose weight and get healthy. Please don't trot him out there anymore to "fire up" the crowd, as well.
Do we really want ex players from a program with a history of losing heavily involved in the program? Hell, Joker was an ex-player, how did that work out? What UK football needs is not "more UK football from the past". The past here sucks.
Went well. Offense improved substantially before Brown left for Troy. Crashed when Dawson was hired. Not sure how you're coming to this conclusion. So far, Brown has been our most consistent and productive OC of the Stoops era.
I'll admit I thought Stoops was a great hire at the time. He came from a solid football family and he had a great plan on how to improve the football program at UK. It seemed the only question was could he recruit good enough to be successful here. He answered that question right away with the best recruiting classes we've had here in a long long time. But it's been the other areas which I thought would be a strength for him that he's struggled. Team chemistry has been a big issue as well as player development and developing a solid game plan each week. Then there have been many coaching blunders that just aren't acceptable when you're trying to win in the SEC. He still has time to turn things around but I'm certainly not encouraged that'll happen especially after the last two games.
The Stoops hire wasn't necessarily bad. But giving him an extension with no on the field results only recruiting rankings (good nationally, bottom of SEC) was atrocious
Referencing Couch, trying too find the right coach who can take KY Football to a level most of us have not seen in our lifetimes is about as hard as the Browns finding a QB who can win them a Super Bowl. Couch could have been that guy but the culture and incompetence around that franchise ruined him. KY Football's losing culture is a lot like the Browns and is very difficult to figure out.
I remember when the Browns & winning, were synonmous.... I don't know what happened because ever s.o.b. in Ohio knows and can play football....
What a terrible OP. First off, it wasnt Couch that hired him. Secondly, Stoops was a good hire. By far and away better than anyone else interesting. Thirdly, Stoops really bailed out Barny by contacting him. If Stoops hadnt, theres no telling who we'd ended up with. After Jones took the UT job; we had NO interest from anyone.
I wasnt a huge fan of Brown, but he was worlds better than Dawson. And he had much less to work with. Gran and Hinshaw, so far, are noticeable upgrades though.
I wasnt a huge fan of Brown, but he was worlds better than Dawson. And he had much less to work with. Gran and Hinshaw, so far, are noticeable upgrades though.
WE didn't all think it was a great hire. Anytime you hire a career assistant for his first head coaching job, the odds are probably 50/50 at best that it will work out.
Some people take a wait and see attitude.
Not that I care, because it is not relevant to much, but I think Barnhart reached out to Brooks as an advisor. Mitch reportedly sought other candidates, but no one who thought they had a future wanted to come to UK on probation. Thankfully, Papa Brooks was at the end of his career.
Agree with everything you said, except for last sentence.
Not just last two games but EKU and ULL were both very telling and writing on the wall...
There is a solid three years of good to great recruiting and three years of very subpar game planning, in-game adjustments, sideline blunders, overreactions, just under whelming and poor coaching in general.
I used to be a "give him time" guy...but that has past.
BUT, but, maybe the epiphany will hit him in the next few weeks.
It can happen, just not probable
I love he got a raise. It is so entertaining to see people so mad a Mitch. His raise was classic. Gift that keeps on giving. Mitch threads until one of us dies!!!!
correct, he approached Brooks to be an advisor, not a coach. Brooks approached him when search not going well. Barnhart has never gotten a FB coach he pursued.
season ticket sales prior to joker vs stoops 1st season suggest your number is high
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I know for a fact that Barnhart did not want calipari. He thought cal would ruin his reputation. That came from guys that are involved. You don't know crap except what you want to think. Those of us who have had conversations with guys like MP know exactly what the issue was. There's a reason Barnhart passed on cal the first time and was forced the second time. Mitch self removed himself from basketball so If it went south his hands were clean. It all adds up. Mitch was in charge of basketball until cal arrived. That's because cal doesn't like him and Mitch had mutual feelings.
Just stop. You're clueless.
Not to mention the instate recruiting Brown did for this program helped us immencely
plenty to be angry at Stoops about but the hiring of Brown isnt one, nor is there any controversy between the 2 that some want to invent. Brown was very open that he simply did not have the talent or even number of players necessary to run the same offense here that he did at Troy & Texas Tech. that first year in 2013 we had to rely on almost all true frosh wideouts. There was no holding back of Brown's play calling or tempo by Stoops.
We had 51,000 fans at the 1st spring game after Stoops was hired. A big time improvement over the usual 6-7,000 that usually turned out, so yes, most everyone thought that the Stoops hire was a good thing..... facts do not lie !
I admit, I thought Stoops was a good hire.....until the games began. I was truly hoping his name, mixed with some solid recruiting and some solid coaching would lead us back to Brook's level of success at a minimum. I had no idea we would be fighting in years 3 and 4 to survive the EKU's and Southern Miss's of the world. I didn't forsee being smacked down at home by one of our fired offensive coordinators that didn't move to another D-1 school. It ain't the talent folks.