IF people don't understand how mental shooting is, they've never played competitive basketball ...IMO our problem is a psychological issue right now not a talent problem.
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I have a feeling they are not allowed to work on the shooting aspect of their games nearly enough. I get having a defensive mindset, but it has gotten to a point that it hurts their developement as players IMO.
Oh Please. So Miles's team have been "mental" about shooting for most of the past five years? How come the really good programs, you know, like Kansas for example, don't lose game after game after game, year after year, only to blame it on "mental" blocks in their shooting? This is really lame. The problem with our team is this: it has no talent and/or it has lousy coaching. I don't care what people on here say about our recruiting or the "promise" these guys show. Guess what? They stink and/or are poorly coached. I guess your point is that they are poorly coached. Good. I agree
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2 million, new arena, year 5 and can't beat teams we pay to come here. Lose to one a year. This product is pathetic and was one to say wait till after the season and look at the situation. Why do people think it's going to get any better? We may not win 6 BIG games and that gives us a 11 win season. Pathetic
What is Miles doing to change things up though? What individual sets are we going with to get someone on track or loose? Why aren't we running double baseline picks to get someone open? Why aren't we back cutting while the defense continues to play high on a weak high pick?
Why is Jacobson taking a hard dribble once he gets the ball in the post instead of putting the rock up immediately before the defense can help? Why are we starting 3 guys with no offensive threat through 12 games?
Why don't we press to change our offensive tempo? Why don't we go to a 1-3-1 half court zone to change things up?
Why are we treating Isaiah Roby like a rec player? Why aren't we going with Morrow and Tshimanga in the post which will force the opponent to play a bigger game?
Enough is enough man, there's a lot of stuff Tim Miles can do as a coach to get guys on track. For whatever reason, he's choosing not to.
You're comparing Nebraska basketball to KU? Ummm ok. We don't get KU's talent in case you haven't noticed. We don't have the depth of scorers where we can have a couple of guys go through slumps for weeks at at time. Losing AWII was a huge loss for this season. I was hoping Gill would fill some of that void and he may still, but right now he can't buy a bucket. In practice supposedly he lights it up. That sounds like a guy playing tight in games to me. I'm hoping he gets better.
Not saying there isn't and he's tried some things, but you have to have guys that can make a shot. Period. IF WE HAD MADE OUR FREE THROWS we win that game. IF we had shot a decent percentage from 3, we win that game. We got the shots. Guys down low take a bounce to try to get their balance and gain position to go up with the shot. You can adjust all the Xs an Os but it won't make the shots fall. We had open looks and we missed them. Almost all of them. 3/17 from 3.
I think you miss my point. Perhaps it was poorly expressed. All I am saying is that your original post sounded like excuse making. Of course a lot of shooting success is mental. But that has a lot to do with coaching. Furthermore, the better shooters have developed techniques for overcoming such slumps. Our guys apparently have no such strategies. This is year five. No, we are not Kansas. But apparently we are worse than even some completely no name schools. Whose fault is that??? The players for their "mental issues with shooting" or the coach who recruited and coaches them? If we do have talent, as you claim, then the comparison with Kansas is apt. Either that talent is there but is getting lousy coaching or the talent is not there in which case the coach is a lousy recruiter.
I'll buy that there is a psych issue, but on the court results for 5 years tells me that the root cause is the coach's system. White, Smith, Pitchford, Petteway, why did they leave? At some point you have to look at the guy with the clipboard.
There's a big difference between winning at the North Dakota St level and winning at the Big Ten level (look at Kim Anderson at Mizzou). You're dealing with a much different type of student-athlete.
My main concern when we hired Miles was he'd never coached/recruited at a the high-major level as an assistant. I wondered if he'd be able to manage the egos and personalities of major college basketball players and everything that goes along with that. 5 years later, I still question how well he is getting through to the guys.
My main concern when we hired Miles was he'd never coached/recruited at a the high-major level as an assistant. I wondered if he'd be able to manage the egos and personalities of major college basketball players and everything that goes along with that. 5 years later, I still question how well he is getting through to the guys.
Outside of lineups, what exactly has he tried differently? Enough dancing around with the "can't shoot it for them" response, spell it out for everyone.
By the way, Jacobson had perfect balance and positioning, but forced the bounce on his own. For no reason whatsoever.
Details fritz, let's discuss details.
Petteway, pretty obvious why he left.
Smith was ran off, due to his old man. There's a reason Tarin didn't land with either Hurley, although he played for their dad, after he left Nebraska.
Pitchford, who knows.
AW3, I don't care to spend time discussing that *******.
Techniques for over coming shooting slumps? Really? I give up. You shoot the damned ball.
Huh?? You claim that shooting slumps are often mental. And you are correct. That is why NBA teams employ sport's psychologists to work with their guys on developing mental strategies for overcoming shooting slumps. All basketball players suffer slumps. But the better athletes, who are also well coached and have access to psychologists to help them develop mental techniques, almost always overcome these slumps. Our mental slumps are now going on five years. At some point you have to say "man, this isn't a slump but a pattern." So we either lack talent and/or we lack coaching, I stand by my point.
Whatever on Jacobsen, I didn't see the play you're talking about. Ed does the same damned thing because he gives up so much height usually. F the details. It isn't Xs and Os. Make the open shots THAT THE OFFENSE WE ALREADY RUN GAVE US. What the hell difference does it make how we got open if we cant make a shot when we do get it. Miles runs the same damned offensive sets that half of college basketball uses only we're in the 300s in national ranking in 3 pt and field goal percentage. We've got two bigs that can't make a shot outside of 8 feet. That leaves their guy to stay in the paint and clog things up so I don't care what you do. You watch. Webster or Watson beats their guy out of the set and they are met at the hoop by either Tshminga's or Ed's guy. Every damned time. With our roster, we HAVE to be able to shoot 3s and right now the only guys they have to guard are Glynn and Tai.
I wasn't able to watch much of the game. What I did watch almost made me sick. I think they have quit on Miles. Even earlier this year we looked so much different and now they look like they don't even want to be there. If we played Dayton again we would lose by 15 or 20 I think.
Yes he is a good coach. And he has recruited well. We are just in a five year shooting slump caused by some mental blocks. But soon, say in another year, that five year slump will be over
I've been foolishly watching the games to try to figure out what's wrong with the offense. Going forward I'll quickly announce that I only watched a few minutes, then proceed to tell everyone IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS just how wildly off-target their observations are.
But as for today, I thought the one thing the Huskers did successfully was to get the guards into the seams of Gardner-Webb's defense for some high-percentage, mid-range jumpers. Webster, Watson and even Taylor each hit a couple of those shots, and I think Roby added one. Then to close out the first half, a couple of guys got a bad case of I-haven't-jacked-a-3-lately disease, NU went scoreless in the final 3:45, and limped into the locker room up by only two points. In the second half NU never got back to what was working before the break. That's how you give life to a team with an RPI of 283, and end up with an embarrassing home loss.
But as for today, I thought the one thing the Huskers did successfully was to get the guards into the seams of Gardner-Webb's defense for some high-percentage, mid-range jumpers. Webster, Watson and even Taylor each hit a couple of those shots, and I think Roby added one. Then to close out the first half, a couple of guys got a bad case of I-haven't-jacked-a-3-lately disease, NU went scoreless in the final 3:45, and limped into the locker room up by only two points. In the second half NU never got back to what was working before the break. That's how you give life to a team with an RPI of 283, and end up with an embarrassing home loss.
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The thing is, all of us as Nebraska basketball fans have pulled for a crap product pretty much all of our lives, regardless of age. When the program continues to suck, we all hate it. That makes it so everyone gets a short fuse and uses fellow fans to lash out at.
I am pushing 40, and am seriously thinking I will never see a single NCAA tourney win. When I was in San Antonio for the last chance I had a hell of a time. Right up until the game started. Then I sat there and watched the Jayskers cheer for the Blue team. Makes me want to puke.
So yes, I am pissed.
I am pushing 40, and am seriously thinking I will never see a single NCAA tourney win. When I was in San Antonio for the last chance I had a hell of a time. Right up until the game started. Then I sat there and watched the Jayskers cheer for the Blue team. Makes me want to puke.
So yes, I am pissed.
You tell me what offense you want them to run to make you happy. You want them to run back door cuts to get open layups while Tshiminga's and Ed's guy loligag around in the paint? You want them to run KU's offense? Harvard's? How about Kentucky? Shoot yeah that'll work. Oh wait we already run much of the same stuff Self does. What do you want? Use whatever terminology you want. Doesn't matter. If you can't make a shot, it won't change a thing.
I gave you plenty of different options a team uses to change things up. You, all you say is "make shots".
Well, no **** man, might as well pay a bum three square meals a day to coach the team then. "Make shots!"
All one had to watch is the play toward the end when there was 1 second on the shot clock and NU had to inbound the ball. Just go back and watch the sheer lack of any set play to even try to get any kind of shot off. They end up just standing around and the inbounder throws it to an opponent. That is coaching or a lack thereof....period! Don't know who is out there or will be out there but this university should and could do better.
Sorry @GBRhuskers. I enjoy reading your posts, I really do. I don't mind others disagreeing with me but do so with something substantial instead of only "nope I believe you're wrong" and nothing else.
If I'm wrong tell me exactly why I'm wrong.
AWIII didn't have much respect for Miles, he wanted to better his NBA stock and Pettaway leaving early hurt.
I'm not interested in a dick measuring contest. You are, so, yours is bigger.
Congrats.
Their offensive sets are jokes. Every play has to be a set play. It's 5 guys running around, in fear of being pulled if they shoot to soon in the shot clock. It's Hoosiers with Gene Hackman less Jimmy Chitwood.
Not interested either. I made a claim, you said I was wrong with no substance, I'm asking you to at least bring some substance to the table and you still don't want to or can't (which is fine).
Like I said before, I can handle people disagreeing with me but not without any substance.
I couldn't care less what you think. I only responded to you because you said I was wrong.