Tim

[big red23]

Oh Please. So Miles's team have been "mental" about shooting for most of the past five years? How come the really good programs, you know, like Kansas for example, don't lose game after game after game, year after year, only to blame it on "mental" blocks in their shooting? This is really lame. The problem with our team is this: it has no talent and/or it has lousy coaching. I don't care what people on here say about our recruiting or the "promise" these guys show. Guess what? They stink and/or are poorly coached. I guess your point is that they are poorly coached. Good. I agree

No this team has talent... Glynn Watson, Tai Webster and Ed Morrow are talented

Isaiah Roby and Jordy Tshimanga have potential to be great

These kids are just not mentally prepared to play these games, and that is on the coaches

Morrow is a Dennis Rodman clone... Freaking amazing talent.

Rewatch the game today if you can, and some point in the second half McVeigh drove to the basket and passed out to Roby on the wing for a wide open 3. The whole team stood up behind him like he was going to drain the 3... then he passed the ball. That is all in his head, and Miles has got to let that kid play his game and stop over thinking ****.

 

[dinglefritz]

No this team has talent... Glynn Watson, Tai Webster and Ed Morrow are talented

Isaiah Roby and Jordy Tshimanga have potential to be great

These kids are just not mentally prepared to play these games, and that is on the coaches

Morrow is a Dennis Rodman clone... Freaking amazing talent.

Rewatch the game today if you can, and some point in the second half McVeigh drove to the basket and passed out to Roby on the wing for a wide open 3. The whole team stood up behind him like he was going to drain the 3... then he passed the ball. That is all in his head, and Miles has got to let that kid play his game and stop over thinking ****.

I agree BUT I don't think it's Miles telling him not to shoot. I think as a team they are shooting so poorly that they are afraid to be the guy that misses the next shot. I haven't noticed Miles yelling at them or yanking them if they miss a shot unless they go crazy and throw the ball away trying to do too much. I just think that everybody not named Tai and Glynn has zero confidence that when they let it fly that it's going in. I would like to see us just for a quarter of a game tell the players that we have a 10 second clock and HAVE to get a shot off in 10 seconds and see what happens. I think we would see a whole bunch less thinking and fear of shooting. I get pissed when I hear "make the extra pass". Take the stinking shot if your open. 5 out 10 times the extra pass ends up in a turnover or a shot clock violation.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

No this team has talent... Glynn Watson, Tai Webster and Ed Morrow are talented

Isaiah Roby and Jordy Tshimanga have potential to be great

These kids are just not mentally prepared to play these games, and that is on the coaches

Morrow is a Dennis Rodman clone... Freaking amazing talent.

Rewatch the game today if you can, and some point in the second half McVeigh drove to the basket and passed out to Roby on the wing for a wide open 3. The whole team stood up behind him like he was going to drain the 3... then he passed the ball. That is all in his head, and Miles has got to let that kid play his game and stop over thinking ****.

I don't disagree with this. As I said in my post, we either lack talent or coaching. And I think it is more the latter. Which is not exactly a rousing endorsement of Miles and his staff is it? I get what you and dinglefritz are saying and trying to do here. You are trying to talk some of us off the ledge and to see that Miles CAN recruit so maybe we really should give him more time.

And you know what? You guys are almost persuading me. After all, we have had 900 years of horrible NU basketball. So why not wait one more year and see what Miles can do with the talent he has assembled?

The trouble I am having though with that argument is this: look at who we got out coached and outplayed by yesterday. And if this were an anomaly I would shrug and move on. But it isn't. It is an all too familiar pattern. As I said (sarcastically, sorry) above: at what point do you have to acknowledge that this is not a temporary slump but a pattern?

Good conversation. Thanks for the give and take.

 

[dinglefritz]

I don't disagree with this. As I said in my post, we either lack talent or coaching. And I think it is more the latter. Which is not exactly a rousing endorsement of Miles and his staff is it? I get what you and dinglefritz are saying and trying to do here. You are trying to talk some of us off the ledge and to see that Miles CAN recruit so maybe we really should give him more time.

And you know what? You guys are almost persuading me. After all, we have had 900 years of horrible NU basketball. So why not wait one more year and see what Miles can do with the talent he has assembled?

The trouble I am having though with that argument is this: look at who we got out coached and outplayed by yesterday. And if this were an anomaly I would shrug and move on. But it isn't. It is an all too familiar pattern. As I said (sarcastically, sorry) above: at what point do you have to acknowledge that this is not a temporary slump but a pattern?

Good conversation. Thanks for the give and take.

I can't say outcoached when we got the open shots and only hit 3/17 from 3 and roughly half of our free throws. Do either one better and we win the game. He put the players in a position to get shots and they couldn't make them. Jacobsen and McVeigh just don't have any confidence that their shot is going in and publicly he's encouraged them. Jacobsen in particular is not good at putting it on the floor when his shot isn't going in. I don't know what else he does other than sit them and play a couple of freshmen telling them to shoot the darned ball if they get an open shot.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I can't say outcoached when we got the open shots and only hit 3/17 from 3 and roughly half of our free throws. Do either one better and we win the game. He put the players in a position to get shots and they couldn't make them. Jacobsen and McVeigh just don't have any confidence that their shot is going in and publicly he's encouraged them. Jacobsen in particular is not good at putting it on the floor when his shot isn't going in. I don't know what else he does other than sit them and play a couple of freshmen telling them to shoot the darned ball if they get an open shot.

So my further question would be: how much do you think coaching matters when it comes to getting your shooters to make shots? Is there anything a coach can do to help them get better at that, assuming they have the native talent to do so? That is what I meant by out coached. Not just that they ran plays and schemes that got guys open. But that the guys were also coached proper shooting technique. Perhaps this is where we disagree. I think such a thing is possible. You seem to think a coach can only have minimal impact in that regard. Perhaps you are correct. I really don't know to be honest.

 

[dinglefritz]

So my further question would be: how much do you think coaching matters when it comes to getting your shooters to make shots? Is there anything a coach can do to help them get better at that, assuming they have the native talent to do so? That is what I meant by out coached. Not just that they ran plays and schemes that got guys open. But that the guys were also coached proper shooting technique. Perhaps this is where we disagree. I think such a thing is possible. You seem to think a coach can only have minimal impact in that regard. Perhaps you are correct. I really don't know to be honest.

IF anything sometimes IMO kids get coached too much at this age on proper shooting technique. They worry too much if they're thumbing the ball or if their elbow is in the right place instead of just letting it fly. It's kind of like a QBs arm slot. Once they get to this point of their career, it's pretty tough to change things much IMO. The main thing is just getting squared up and shooting in rhythm IMO. Hesitate and you're lost. I guarantee you that they are getting video feedback on their shooting technique and practice time coaching on it.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

IF anything sometimes IMO kids get coached too much at this age on proper shooting technique. They worry too much if they're thumbing the ball or if their elbow is in the right place instead of just letting it fly. It's kind of like a QBs arm slot. Once they get to this point of their career, it's pretty tough to change things much IMO. The main thing is just getting squared up and shooting in rhythm IMO. Hesitate and you're lost. I guarantee you that they are getting video feedback on their shooting technique and practice time coaching on it.

Good points.

But I am still pissed. lol

 

[big red23]

I don't disagree with this. As I said in my post, we either lack talent or coaching. And I think it is more the latter. Which is not exactly a rousing endorsement of Miles and his staff is it? I get what you and dinglefritz are saying and trying to do here. You are trying to talk some of us off the ledge and to see that Miles CAN recruit so maybe we really should give him more time.

And you know what? You guys are almost persuading me. After all, we have had 900 years of horrible NU basketball. So why not wait one more year and see what Miles can do with the talent he has assembled?

The trouble I am having though with that argument is this: look at who we got out coached and outplayed by yesterday. And if this were an anomaly I would shrug and move on. But it isn't. It is an all too familiar pattern. As I said (sarcastically, sorry) above: at what point do you have to acknowledge that this is not a temporary slump but a pattern?

Good conversation. Thanks for the give and take.

Incarnate Word... Samford... Gardner Webb is a pattern. That is on Miles and no one else. I agree with that. I'm just throwing out that we have the talent, we just don't use them right. Maybe we just don't mentally get them ready to play.

I think Miles should get one more year based on the fact that he has so many good and talented young players. If any of these 5 leave though after this year(Roby, Horne, Morrow, Watson or Tshimanga) Miles needs to get canned.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I can't say outcoached when we got the open shots and only hit 3/17 from 3 and roughly half of our free throws. Do either one better and we win the game. He put the players in a position to get shots and they couldn't make them. Jacobsen and McVeigh just don't have any confidence that their shot is going in and publicly he's encouraged them. Jacobsen in particular is not good at putting it on the floor when his shot isn't going in. I don't know what else he does other than sit them and play a couple of freshmen telling them to shoot the darned ball if they get an open shot.

Shooting stats under Miles according to T-Rank. Percentages and national ranking. That's fine if some(or one) of the Miles apologist want to die on the "just make shots" sword but the below is a trend. This is not just a 11 game "mental funk"...it's something that has plagued us since Miles has stepped foot on campus. And what makes it even more perplexing is that for an offense predicated on getting to the rim you have nobody on this roster that can stretch the floor. This is not just a mental issue, we have a roster that overall is just not offensively talented at this point. That's on Miles. The defensive wizard Coach Molinari must have really done a number on him when he stepped foot in Lincoln.

2013
3pt-30.7(304)
2pt-45.1(273)

2014
3pt-33.3(212)
2pt-47.4(218)

2015
3pt-28.4(341)<--------LOL
2pt-48.0(156)

2016
3pt-34.7(166)
2pt-49.4(140)

2017
3pt-28.2(337)<-----LOL
2pt-44.8(287)

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Just to add some perspective. This game was against a school called Gardner Webb and the argument is we didn't get outcoached because if we hit a better pct at the line or from 3 we win.

Gardner Webb. Not Rutgers or Penn St or Minnesota. But the Gardner "freaking" Webb Runnin Bulldogs out of the Big South Conference.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Just to add some perspective. This game was against a school called Gardner Webb and the argument is we didn't get outcoached because if we hit a better pct at the line or from 3 we win.

Gardner Webb. Not Rutgers or Penn St or Minnesota. But the Gardner "freaking" Webb Runnin Bulldogs out of the Big South Conference.

Exactly. Which is why, despite some of dinglefritz's better arguments, I am still pissed.

 

[dinglefritz]

Shooting stats under Miles according to T-Rank. Percentages and national ranking. That's fine if some(or one) of the Miles apologist want to die on the "just make shots" sword but the below is a trend. This is not just a 11 game "mental funk"...it's something that has plagued us since Miles has stepped foot on campus. And what makes it even more perplexing is that for an offense predicated on getting to the rim you have nobody on this roster that can stretch the floor. This is not just a mental issue, we have a roster that overall is just not offensively talented at this point. That's on Miles. The defensive wizard Coach Molinari must have really done a number on him when he stepped foot in Lincoln.

2013
3pt-30.7(304)
2pt-45.1(273)

2014
3pt-33.3(212)
2pt-47.4(218)

2015
3pt-28.4(341)<--------LOL
2pt-48.0(156)

2016
3pt-34.7(166)
2pt-49.4(140)

2017
3pt-28.2(337)<-----LOL
2pt-44.8(287)

You made my point. We HAVE to be able to shoot the 3 and for whatever reason McVeigh and Jacobsen just are stinking it up. Tai and Glynn are about where they've been. We needed Gill to step up and fill some of AW's role and he hasn't like most people expected. You can say we were out coached if you want but the reason we lost that game was 3/17 (17%) from 3 and 50% from the line. 30% from the field as well. You think that was because of coaching? LOL. You also might want to consider the early season competition when you look at our shooting stats before this last game. There is no doubt that the competition we played before GW affected our shooting numbers. GWebb had nothing to do with us shooting 50% from the line.

 

[dinglefritz]

Exactly. Which is why, despite some of dinglefritz's better arguments, I am still pissed.

I'm disappointed not pissed. Hopefull it will get better.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

You made my point. We HAVE to be able to shoot the 3 and for whatever reason McVeigh and Jacobsen just are stinking it up. Tai and Glynn are about where they've been. We needed Gill to step up and fill some of AW's role and he hasn't like most people expected. You can say we were out coached if you want but the reason we lost that game was 3/17 (17%) from 3 and 50% from the line. 30% from the field as well. You think that was because of coaching? LOL. You also might want to consider the early season competition when you look at our shooting stats before this last game. There is no doubt that the competition we played before GW affected our shooting numbers. GWebb had nothing to do with us shooting 50% from the line.

Since when is Jacobsen a threat from deep? Was the staff pinning their hopes on him? I thought he would help, but that was probably wishful thinking. Clearly, McVeigh is in a funk and was to be THAT guy to stretch the defense but when the Skers have one guy at best other coaches recruit multiple threats. I never said it came down to coaching in terms of action or X's and O's. Although, clearly Miles is lacking in that department. It comes down to recruiting to your offensive system...and Miles has failed. You can blame our schedule for the poor shooting numbers as if you didn't watch or look at yesterday's stats. Vs Dayton we shot the ball very well....outside of that, against the rest of the high major teams we shot a combined 36% from the field and 21% from deep. Hate to break it to you, but while the Big Ten is down...we are going to be facing tough defenses...that's not going to stop. So this team better figure it out or it's very likely bye bye time for Tim. The tough schedule or fragile mental state of his team will not likely pass for an excuse for those making the tough decisions.

 

[schuele]

Jacobson is shooting 35% from the field, including 17% from 3-point range. Can't wait until he regains that sweet stroke he showed last year, when he shot 43% and 19%, respectively.

Interesting note in Barfnecht's column about how Tshimanga was going to start yesterday in Jacobson's place, because he had played pretty well against Kansas. But he didn't have a strong week of practice, so that plan got scrapped. Now, Tshimanga is a long-term project and it matters very little to me whether he starts or not. But how do you go from "Let's give our big man a start" to playing him 8 minutes?

 

[big red23]

You made my point. We HAVE to be able to shoot the 3 and for whatever reason McVeigh and Jacobsen just are stinking it up. Tai and Glynn are about where they've been. We needed Gill to step up and fill some of AW's role and he hasn't like most people expected. You can say we were out coached if you want but the reason we lost that game was 3/17 (17%) from 3 and 50% from the line. 30% from the field as well. You think that was because of coaching? LOL. You also might want to consider the early season competition when you look at our shooting stats before this last game. There is no doubt that the competition we played before GW affected our shooting numbers. GWebb had nothing to do with us shooting 50% from the line.

Coaches have to get the players "Mentally" ready for a game... just as much as physically. So yes, I believe the 3-17 is directly the affect that they are mentally scared to shoot. Roby needed to take that 3, and the fact he didn't means he is being coached to pass in that situation.

Our supposed 3pt shooter is shooting at a 31% rate. Roby may be be 1 for 8 on the year, but that is tied to the minutes he gets. I am getting sick and tired of the Freshman aren't ready yet argument. I get that they aren't ready the 1st couple games, but by game 11 they can start getting into a groove.

Isaiah Roby needs to be getting the 20-25 minutes McVeigh is getting. He is a better basketball player. Tshimanga needs to be getting more than 8 minutes.

Roby > McVeigh
Tshimanga > Jacobson

I don't care what Miles sees in practice, I can see with my own eyes who looks better on game days
.

 

[BigRedPimp]

You made my point. We HAVE to be able to shoot the 3 and for whatever reason McVeigh and Jacobsen just are stinking it up. Tai and Glynn are about where they've been. We needed Gill to step up and fill some of AW's role and he hasn't like most people expected. You can say we were out coached if you want but the reason we lost that game was 3/17 (17%) from 3 and 50% from the line. 30% from the field as well. You think that was because of coaching? LOL. You also might want to consider the early season competition when you look at our shooting stats before this last game. There is no doubt that the competition we played before GW affected our shooting numbers. GWebb had nothing to do with us shooting 50% from the line.

Nice trolling. 1 year is a data point. 5 years is a trend. Each year had a different mix of players yet the result was the same. If you're telling us it's on the players then Miles is either recruiting the wrong players or he's not developing them to be better shooters.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I'm disappointed not pissed. Hopefull it will get better.

You are full of Zen patience. Well done grasshopper...

 

[Harry Caray]

IF anything sometimes IMO kids get coached too much at this age on proper shooting technique. They worry too much if they're thumbing the ball or if their elbow is in the right place instead of just letting it fly. It's kind of like a QBs arm slot. Once they get to this point of their career, it's pretty tough to change things much IMO. The main thing is just getting squared up and shooting in rhythm IMO. Hesitate and you're lost. I guarantee you that they are getting video feedback on their shooting technique and practice time coaching on it.

That is a good point. I remember reading an article a while back that said when Tai Webster came in as a freshman, Miles tried to "fix" his shooting form. And I truly believed that messed with his confidence his first few years here. Especially since he seemed to play so much better with the New Zealand national team during the summers when he was away from this coaching staff. You could tell he wasn't thinking as much out there compared to here.

Shooting is all about having a consistent, straight release. The exact mechanics prior to release is going to differ slightly for each player, and they are pretty much ingrained by the time you get to college. It would take years to undo the shooting habits players have developed by that age....and if their shot is consistently straight, it's a waste of time. I have seen many girls basketball players with very strange mechanics but their shots are straight every time and they make a higher percentage than many men's players.

 

[grayhairedfreak]

Throwing this out...would anyone be happy with Altman? Is there any amount of $$$ that pulls him out of Oregon? Thinking if we go a different direction, this time it needs to be a 'been there done that' Power 5 guy looking for a new/final challenge. That said, I'm sure we'll never pay more than the football HC makes.

 

[schuele]

Throwing this out...would anyone be happy with Altman? Is there any amount of $$$ that pulls him out of Oregon? Thinking if we go a different direction, this time it needs to be a 'been there done that' Power 5 guy looking for a new/final challenge. That said, I'm sure we'll never pay more than the football HC makes.

In a heartbeat, but Altman isn't leaving Oregon to come to Nebraska. That ship sailed many, many years ago.

 

[ridge22]

I would think that if you were going to pull the trigger on TM this year it may be a good time to do it to lure in a decent bigger name coach. You have a fairly young talented roster, so it would not be a total overhaul of a program that was a dumpster fire of a roster after the previous two coaches left. If I am SE, and I want to keep my job you had better get rid of someone too early as opposed to too late. The pattern over the last couple of years is troubling.

 

[huskernaut_rivals292165]

The guy can't keep a decent assistant coach around, runs an archaic offense, has a quick hook with players which marginalizes their confidence, berates them in practice, recruits big men that are projects, and cannot develop and improve players. Many former players think he's horrid as a coach and would never ever play for him.

time to go. and i'm sorry to say I used to be an advocate for him.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

The guy can't keep a decent assistant coach around

Kenya Hunter has been with Miles 4 of 5 seasons. Kenya has done a great job getting talent to Lincoln.

Smith took a promotion.

Jacobson returned to his alma matter.

Harriman, what'd he do?

Beckner, took a pay cut to go to Boise. I'll take Lewis over him in a heartbeat.

 

[RealHusker]

On Altman...I have no idea what caused his 'ship to sail', but I wonder if the scenery changes in Lincoln the past few years would make a difference? Just thinking out loud...

 

[schuele]

Well I would say the ship sailed on Altman the minute he got the Oregon job. But if there's any chance that it didn't, taking the Ducks to a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament last year, making an Elite Eight appearance and getting a contract extension through 2023 (paying a grand total of about $20 million) probably sealed the deal.

Somehow I don't think a nice arena is going to lure him back to Lincoln.

 

[grayhairedfreak]

On Altman...I have no idea what caused his 'ship to sail', but I wonder if the scenery changes in Lincoln the past few years would make a difference? Just thinking out loud...

Was also thinking he was on thin ice with the Duck brass a while back. Maybe that's all been resolved.