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The defense is still using Vic's system and Vic's assistants because Neal didnt hire a new guy yet since Vic got 'liberaled' too close to the season. Also, we have the Stills brothers. The future of our D is going to come down to how good of a DC he hires and how good he can recruit. I would love to see the D return to the mean D of the old days. We are looking good this season for sure. Just not sure how long that sustains depending on who ends up the primary DC. Also at some point the Fairmont boys will be gone. They are both great players.
Koenning had success because of Jordan Lesley...
Lesley was doing this at Troy without the Stills brothers
Rewatch Troy vs LSU
Troy won that game because their DLine dominated LSU up front.
Lesley is the guy WVU cannot afford to lose.
Name him Co DC permanently
Lesley was doing this at Troy without the Stills brothers
Rewatch Troy vs LSU
Troy won that game because their DLine dominated LSU up front.
Lesley is the guy WVU cannot afford to lose.
Name him Co DC permanently
Who exactly are these high impact players you speak of? Are you talking about the bad attitude players, or the ones that got caught cheating? We lost 90% of all offensive production from 2018 team... This is widely known as fact, even with sports announcers... Brown did not inherit the 2018 team, he inherited a 2019 team. Any "success" in 2018 would not have made 1 ounce of impact in 2019.
Just look at the two rosters......
Obviously you are here to serve some type of agenda, which will not hit home for logical humans...
Which year would that be? Would it happen to be the year he lost 80-90% of all offensive production, after Gino, Tavon, & Stedman left? Kinda like the difference between 2018 & 2019.... Do you see where Im going here....
If you lose the vast majority of offensive production, from a senior laden team, the next year is going to be difficult. Exactly what Brown inherited....
Just the truth...
Lesley has a good name with people who know football.
Keep him. Plus he can bring some dogs up from Mississippi to WVU
Lesley has a good name with people who know football.
Keep him. Plus he can bring some dogs up from Mississippi to WVU
Koenning did a solid job at WVU. Stop being such a snowflake and jilted ex-girlfriend. You're so emotional, Chrissy.
Do you see a drop off..
I don't.
Plus I see giving more power to Lesley and Addae as the best thing for WVU
This has nothing to do with politics
Addae can recruit
Lesley can coach and develop talent
Like I said when it happened...
Just gives better coaches more of a say in the program.
I don't.
Plus I see giving more power to Lesley and Addae as the best thing for WVU
This has nothing to do with politics
Addae can recruit
Lesley can coach and develop talent
Like I said when it happened...
Just gives better coaches more of a say in the program.
You've never been right about anything, but it's hilarious that you still pretend to be a Texas fan when you know the WVU coaches' BIKE short sizes. Good Gawd, nobody believes you, and your Commie puke makes you even more annoying. You hate Koenning because you hate his politics, and think that you can trash him because he's gone. You praise every current WVU coach, just like a typical fan boy. You used to praise Koenning...until you found out about his political views, and he left Morgantwon. You have no credibility, but with 30+ handles, this isn't news.
You dwell on ****...
Even when reality says it isn't important
Koenning left because he was expendable.
Plain and simple.
He wasn't great enough as a coach to keep his job when he was turning players off...
These programs have to give the players some power
Like I have said before. Some programs do with uniforms and other Things
This isn't the 1960's...
Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson changed CFB
What they created has pretty much taken over the game
Even when reality says it isn't important
Koenning left because he was expendable.
Plain and simple.
He wasn't great enough as a coach to keep his job when he was turning players off...
These programs have to give the players some power
Like I have said before. Some programs do with uniforms and other Things
This isn't the 1960's...
Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson changed CFB
What they created has pretty much taken over the game
Leadership...
People tend to perform better when they think they have a say or some power
When you treat them as if they don't..
You don't get leaders
To get leaders you must give power and sometimes that power comes into conflict with coaches.
The decision made was correct because I see a better WVU team
Neal Brown made that decision based on how the team felt
People tend to perform better when they think they have a say or some power
When you treat them as if they don't..
You don't get leaders
To get leaders you must give power and sometimes that power comes into conflict with coaches.
The decision made was correct because I see a better WVU team
Neal Brown made that decision based on how the team felt
No, Koenning left because he wasn't perfectly politically correct at a time when you snowflakes had taken over the country, Chrissy. You wouldn't be trashing him, if he were still in Morgantown, as you're a fanboy, plain and simple.
You are still dwelling on something that so far has proven to be the correct choice.
Has nothing to do with politics.
Neal Brown's job is to win football games.
Funny because you cannot grasp reality.
If that defense went into the ******* you would be correct.
WVU made some adjustments in that Texas game.
Much better this year than last. I saw a better coached defense
Has nothing to do with politics.
Neal Brown's job is to win football games.
Funny because you cannot grasp reality.
If that defense went into the ******* you would be correct.
WVU made some adjustments in that Texas game.
Much better this year than last. I saw a better coached defense
If you're trying to say that WVU would be worse than 4-3/3-3 in conference play with Koenning, then you're even more delusional than I previously thought. The Jury is still out on Coach Brown, who will be given plenty of time in which to prove his worth. Two of the last three games will be tough, and it's looking like 5-5, which will make a pretend Texas fan/WVU fan boy happy, but I doubt that anybody else will be dancing on High Street.
So you can say he was a minus
Basically because his coaching didn't make a difference
Plus he was alienating the players
Basically because his coaching didn't make a difference
Plus he was alienating the players
You can't say that with any credibility at all. No way to know, but changing the Defensive Coordinator shortly before the season isn't a recipe for success. You're celebrating 3-3, as only a fanboy would. Raise the bar.
The issues aren't on the defensive side...
The defense is Top 10 in a lot of categories.
So removing Vic Koenning didn't hurt WVU at all.
Like I said...
His coaching wasn't important enough where he could get away with alienating players
Just how things are. Players have choices now.
You have to understand people of that age. Football coaches have to be able to adjust to the room.
Not like back in the day where you could do whatever you want and get away with it.
The defense is Top 10 in a lot of categories.
So removing Vic Koenning didn't hurt WVU at all.
Like I said...
His coaching wasn't important enough where he could get away with alienating players
Just how things are. Players have choices now.
You have to understand people of that age. Football coaches have to be able to adjust to the room.
Not like back in the day where you could do whatever you want and get away with it.
Have to hit people with facts that cannot be refuted
You are shooting blanks at WVU with Vic Koenning
You think because you say something enough times it must be true..
At least have some semblance of truth if you are going to troll.
Koenning is a blank
Would be a lot more damaging if the defense went to ****. Then you could use it to troll.
You are shooting blanks at WVU with Vic Koenning
You think because you say something enough times it must be true..
At least have some semblance of truth if you are going to troll.
Koenning is a blank
Would be a lot more damaging if the defense went to ****. Then you could use it to troll.
Koenning is a "blank" because you hate his politics, and he left Morgantown. You sang his praises last year. Shall I pull up your prior comments, fraud? This has been thrown up in your face before, so don't try to deny it. You're nothing, but a fan boy, Chrissy.
What are his politics...
You know I am a conservative. I just don't think Trump is what some of you want him to be...
You need Trumpism without Donald Trump
Ann Coulter explained it perfectly.
Trump is too weak and insecure.
You know I am a conservative. I just don't think Trump is what some of you want him to be...
You need Trumpism without Donald Trump
Ann Coulter explained it perfectly.
Trump is too weak and insecure.
Did NB "KNOW" his Def would hold UT to 17?
No, but as head coach who has a defense playing well, he sure shouldn't be guessing that they would not. When points are available you score what you can when you can. You don't throw away a win because maybe the other team might score again when the play in the game wasn't showing that to be likely.
People are upset we are competing, and not appreciative NB has us competing.
Hogwash. WVU isn't "competing" now better than they were with the previous staff. Take last year--so far Neal Browns worst. The running game was 3rd worst in ALL of college football. WVU scored 14 or less pts in 5 games they lost, and just 17 in another loss. They managed just 20 pts in 2 more games--1 a 7 point win against an fcs team at home. Brown tied the longest losing streak in WVU history and nearly broke it.
Compare that to the worst year DH ever had--2 games scoring under 14 points. 2 games scoring under 17.
They lost to Oklahoma at OK by a score of 7-16. Brown lost to Oklahoma last year 52-14.
The running game for WVU in 2013 wasn't 3rd last in the NCAA div 1. Charles Sims was one of the top 100 rushers in the country that year. They were around 80th in the nation rushing. Dh's final year the team was literally 4 pts from playing in the BIG 12 championship game.
Considering what he inherited, its miraculous NB has this team in a position to win.
More nonsense. WVU returned many starters. WVU was coming off a BIG 12 finish where they were within POINTS of playing for the BIG 12 championship. Many players with experience returned and NEAL BROWN pushed them out. 20 plus players--some of those were talented starters. He inherited a program that had won 7 or more games in EVERY year since joining the BIG 12 except one. And promptly won only 5 games with a team coming off year with a top 10 offense and mere points from a BIG 12 championship. And many of the players Brown played HE brought in.
FACT: Even if Dabo & Staff started last year, it would still take them 5 years+ to get the results we seek.
Here's the problem, you just laid out a hypothetical situation above, and called it a fact. This illustrates that you do not even understand what a fact is. Your sentence above you MADE UP, with 0 corroborating evidence. It doesn't resemble a fact, it is in fact a BASELESS OPINION.
Doege, no matter what people say about his 300 yards, is BARELY serviceable at QB.
Let me ask--(and I know the answer)--WHO brought in Doege? And why has Doege and his receivers appeared to decline from last year to this year?
Recruiting
Brown is recruiting around the same pace or lower than the previous staff. ESPN shows WVU currently at #37 in the nation for 2021. 5th in the 10 team BIG 12 at the moment. WVU's last class under Holgorsen was ranked 35th in the nation by ESPN and 6th in the BIG 12.
If by the 5th year when the 2020 class are upperclassmen, if we are still experiencing offensive issues, then Ill join you
If Brown still has WVU underperforming offensively next year, and is coming off two losing or a losing and a mediocre season? His third year will be heavily scrutinized. Another two seasons after that may be a long shot if a winning season isn't the result, don't kid yourself. These people aren't amongst the highest paid public employees in the state to "experience offensive issues"., but to win. Since winning the second most games in WVU history by any coach against the toughest schedules ever played wasn't good enough for most to appreciate Holgorsen, why would anyone think losing three years or LOL five years in a row is going to cut it? It won't.
No, but as head coach who has a defense playing well, he sure shouldn't be guessing that they would not. When points are available you score what you can when you can. You don't throw away a win because maybe the other team might score again when the play in the game wasn't showing that to be likely.
People are upset we are competing, and not appreciative NB has us competing.
Hogwash. WVU isn't "competing" now better than they were with the previous staff. Take last year--so far Neal Browns worst. The running game was 3rd worst in ALL of college football. WVU scored 14 or less pts in 5 games they lost, and just 17 in another loss. They managed just 20 pts in 2 more games--1 a 7 point win against an fcs team at home. Brown tied the longest losing streak in WVU history and nearly broke it.
Compare that to the worst year DH ever had--2 games scoring under 14 points. 2 games scoring under 17.
They lost to Oklahoma at OK by a score of 7-16. Brown lost to Oklahoma last year 52-14.
The running game for WVU in 2013 wasn't 3rd last in the NCAA div 1. Charles Sims was one of the top 100 rushers in the country that year. They were around 80th in the nation rushing. Dh's final year the team was literally 4 pts from playing in the BIG 12 championship game.
Considering what he inherited, its miraculous NB has this team in a position to win.
More nonsense. WVU returned many starters. WVU was coming off a BIG 12 finish where they were within POINTS of playing for the BIG 12 championship. Many players with experience returned and NEAL BROWN pushed them out. 20 plus players--some of those were talented starters. He inherited a program that had won 7 or more games in EVERY year since joining the BIG 12 except one. And promptly won only 5 games with a team coming off year with a top 10 offense and mere points from a BIG 12 championship. And many of the players Brown played HE brought in.
FACT: Even if Dabo & Staff started last year, it would still take them 5 years+ to get the results we seek.
Here's the problem, you just laid out a hypothetical situation above, and called it a fact. This illustrates that you do not even understand what a fact is. Your sentence above you MADE UP, with 0 corroborating evidence. It doesn't resemble a fact, it is in fact a BASELESS OPINION.
Doege, no matter what people say about his 300 yards, is BARELY serviceable at QB.
Let me ask--(and I know the answer)--WHO brought in Doege? And why has Doege and his receivers appeared to decline from last year to this year?
Recruiting
Brown is recruiting around the same pace or lower than the previous staff. ESPN shows WVU currently at #37 in the nation for 2021. 5th in the 10 team BIG 12 at the moment. WVU's last class under Holgorsen was ranked 35th in the nation by ESPN and 6th in the BIG 12.
If by the 5th year when the 2020 class are upperclassmen, if we are still experiencing offensive issues, then Ill join you
If Brown still has WVU underperforming offensively next year, and is coming off two losing or a losing and a mediocre season? His third year will be heavily scrutinized. Another two seasons after that may be a long shot if a winning season isn't the result, don't kid yourself. These people aren't amongst the highest paid public employees in the state to "experience offensive issues"., but to win. Since winning the second most games in WVU history by any coach against the toughest schedules ever played wasn't good enough for most to appreciate Holgorsen, why would anyone think losing three years or LOL five years in a row is going to cut it? It won't.
Dana didn't want to be at WVU anymore. Lyons was only willing to pay Dana in cash. Houston was willing to pay him in Kilo's
Ill respond to you again Logan....
1. Assuming A Def would hold the #1 BIg12 offense to 17 points, under most circumstances would had been a mistake. When have we ever held UT to 17points... When was the last time UT scored < 20, or whats the frequency of that occurring??
2. Yes we are competing, we were in a position to win the damn game? Compared to last years losses, we was not in a position to win. This is fact.
3. You STILL never responded to my post above.... Which year did DH not win at least 7 games? Would it happen to be the year after he lost 90% of offensive production, when Gino, Tavon, & Stedman left? Exactly like the difference between 2019 & 2018. You are making my points for me Logan...
4. Obviously you dont have the intellectual capacity to identify probabilities. This program was a FKN dumpster fire, and was going to be no matter who was the coach for a few years.
5. Yes NB brought in Doege who also Beat Kendall, and Kendall beat Allison. a Barely low star QB, beat out TWO 4 star QB's, one of which was also someone NB brought in to compete with Allison.
6. FALSE WVU currently ranks 3rd in the BIG12 both on Rivals & 247, considering Brown has got two classes in the 30's in his first two years, once that shows on the field, it will only have a positive snowball effect and further improve recruiting. It just requires time. Recruiting is a two steps forward, 1 step back type of process. I would also say, many of the top recruits that resulted in DH having good recruiting classes never panned out, or even played at WVU. Ford Childress, Donte Williams, Steven Smothers, Tyrek Cole, the fl CB who got charged with robbery, Ferns, the 4 star LB who didnt drink enough milk as a kid(probably the worst luck of all time, and I feel for him, but he didnt make an impact), most of the highly ranked players never even played a down in a WVU uniform....
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What happened to VIC he did to himself. HE got himself pushed out.
He was too stupid to keep his mouth shut about his racist politics. Couldnt do it. No one to blame but himself.
Hilarious to see all the spin now that the defense is performing far better than it did when he was at the helm.
Just goes to show, you arent interested in good defense, just propping up bigots with high paying jobs at taxpayer expense.
Allen,
Every legitimate commentator commenting on that game agrees that Brown should have kicked fg's. Brown himself has not said he didnt kick fg's because maybe UT would score again, no legitimate coach coaches a game that way.
Last year Brown was again the coach and was blown out, but Texas of this year already had two losses coming into the game. Its not the same UT team either. WVU lost again under Brown, thats all the history books will care about.
Brown never lost the production that Holgorsen had. When he came in WVU had a team more than capable of having a winning season. Again Holgorsen only had less than 7 wins ONCE.
Obviously you live in fantasyland--you want to excuse Browns performance so far so you project based on nothing. In the real world DH only had one season under 7 wins. No evidence to support he would not have won the same or more last year, after all he won 10 games twice and over 7 games 2 other times while compiling the second most wins of any coach ever at WVU. But Im sure you were one of those trying to push out DH and claiming anyone could step in and immediately do better. Now that that has blown up for the lie it was, your ego seeks out lies and excuses to distract people away from your stupid prognostication.
Brown had a losing season last year and this year is just one game over .500 with the meat of the schedule ahead.
Another losing season and next year will be a tough one.
Neal Brown understands he needs speed
Rich Rodriguez was all about speed. Changed the Big East. He saw at Tulane what he needed
He actually tried to recruit Texas with Todd Graham.
If not you probably top off like Iowa State.
You see them this year with their Tight Ends.
The difference as of now is the top schools have both speed and are trying to make the Big 12 more of a LOS conference.
Texas has the those same huge TEs. If they wanted to they have enough talent there to play 3 TEs.
Needs to recruit the states that have better athletes.
Nothing wrong with recruiting certain states but the talent really slows dog at a certain level.
That staff has ties to a lot of places that can.
West Virginia is doing a excellent job in Georgia
Georgia has only 2 P5 school and 4 schools all together
Think about it this way. Alabama and Louisiana have more FBS schools than Georgia.
Rich Rodriguez was all about speed. Changed the Big East. He saw at Tulane what he needed
He actually tried to recruit Texas with Todd Graham.
If not you probably top off like Iowa State.
You see them this year with their Tight Ends.
The difference as of now is the top schools have both speed and are trying to make the Big 12 more of a LOS conference.
Texas has the those same huge TEs. If they wanted to they have enough talent there to play 3 TEs.
Needs to recruit the states that have better athletes.
Nothing wrong with recruiting certain states but the talent really slows dog at a certain level.
That staff has ties to a lot of places that can.
West Virginia is doing a excellent job in Georgia
Georgia has only 2 P5 school and 4 schools all together
Think about it this way. Alabama and Louisiana have more FBS schools than Georgia.
You have to do two recruiting rankings.
What the insiders say
Then what you say after they get to the school. You can tell with your own eyes how many players are being brought in who look like they are productive or with some highly productive. Then for now long.
4 year starter is more important than a guy who doesn't start until his senior year.
I think from what I have seen Neal Brown does a better job and it is across the field.
What the insiders say
Then what you say after they get to the school. You can tell with your own eyes how many players are being brought in who look like they are productive or with some highly productive. Then for now long.
4 year starter is more important than a guy who doesn't start until his senior year.
I think from what I have seen Neal Brown does a better job and it is across the field.
Link to your so called commentators.
Last Year Texas won by 11 (so your blow out comment is wrong.)
Brown had no QB, No offensive line. First new coach at WVU since Carlen in 1966 that had to start a season without a returning starting QB and young offensive line. He went 3-5-2. You probably don't remember Carlen because your what 12 years old and only know DH.
Your boy DH would have struggled to win 4 games in 2019. So you're happy in not competing and only finishing with 7 wins. WVU should never finish less than 4th place and majority of the time 3rd. Your lover DH shared a Big East title (he needed help from others just to do that) Could never beat the teams he needed to beat to win the Big 12. So quit lying to yourself he was never close.
In the real world Dana can't even win at Houston.
You don't build from the ground up by getting majority of transfers and JC players.
Link on where I wanted DH out. I was with him until his final choke job against OSU and Oklahoma.
Buckie Marsha. You wouldn't know football if it hit you in the nose.
Dana isn't coming back.
Stupid argument.
No regrets business. Move forward.
Past is the past. Just learn if you make mistakes
Stupid argument.
No regrets business. Move forward.
Past is the past. Just learn if you make mistakes
The concern is not if DH is "coming back". No one thinks that and never has.
The concern is excusing losses and bad coaching and play under the tuteledge of the "anyone can walk in and immediately do better" Neal Brown--who after 19 games has 10 losses and 9 wins--two of those to fcs squads (one of those by a mere 7 pts no less) and two more to terrible Kansas. Most wins to sub par teams.
If the previous staff was attacked and run off for such a performance--and its not the case that those staffs had such a record, then WHY is it accepted and championed that this coach is producing such results?
Certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with good coaching.
Time for the back blaming and excuses to stop--WVU is not in a good situation.
The concern is excusing losses and bad coaching and play under the tuteledge of the "anyone can walk in and immediately do better" Neal Brown--who after 19 games has 10 losses and 9 wins--two of those to fcs squads (one of those by a mere 7 pts no less) and two more to terrible Kansas. Most wins to sub par teams.
If the previous staff was attacked and run off for such a performance--and its not the case that those staffs had such a record, then WHY is it accepted and championed that this coach is producing such results?
Certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with good coaching.
Time for the back blaming and excuses to stop--WVU is not in a good situation.
Shut up, Dana
If you didn't leave in such a bad situation Neal Brown could be winning at a higher level.
Everyone except the liquor stores and the drug dealers are doing better without you.