Did anyone else catch Cameron Mills talking about tipping rebounds when you can't get both hands on it to try to keep the possession alive? I saw it happen a handful of times. I'm not sure if this is something Coach Pope teaches, but it's a big change from, "If you don't go after rebounds with both hands you're coming out."
Tipping rebounds with one hand
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. You go after the rebound with both hands imo. Tipping the ball just leads to stupid things happening. Kinda like in football, if it's a fumble, FALL ON IT. Too much crap happens when you try to make something out of a rebound or play that's gone belly up. Regain control, regroup. That's the best philosophy most times.
I liked not giving up on it.
If you can't grab it, keep it alive.
two hands is good, but we actually benefitted from this on several occasions.
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If you can't grab it, keep it alive.
two hands is good, but we actually benefitted from this on several occasions.
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One of the biggest things I noticed and told my kids I was happy about.
Pitino used to chart deflections, I think Pope does also
Using one hand or two hands, I feel like that has to be an extremely tough judgement call to make in the heat of the moment.
.. and don't get me started about how to rebound!
.. and don't get me started about how to rebound!
Exactly. Actually it's one of the things I've taken from Cal and in coaching he's 100%. Games are won/lost by someone who goes after rebounds with one hand. Now a back tap on offensive end is fine to keep the ball alive-but defensively if you go after it with one had--bad things happen and cost you games.
Tipping one handed is good on the offensive board if you can’t corral it.
Watched Perry tip two offensive rebounds into our players hands for baskets. High iq plays.
Watched Perry tip two offensive rebounds into our players hands for baskets. High iq plays.
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I agree with you it's not good to do it on defense. I do believe Mills was referring to on the offensive end.
2 hands > 1 hand > no hands. That’s a general rule. Outcome of play overrides general rule.
We did that a bunch during that game and it worked well. I agree if you can’t get 2 hands in it, top it out.
We tipped so well that I actually wondered if we practiced having guys at set positions for a rebound and having it thrown right to them. It was pretty impressive. Not 100%, of course, but still.
Go watch old tapes of Barkley or Rodman. You go get the ball however you can. If it’s with one hand at bring it to your other with a loud smack.
It’s clear to me that you can reach further for a ball that’s not directly above your head or in front of you with one hand first. Stretching two hands to a ball was one of Cal’s weirdest orders imo.
It’s clear to me that you can reach further for a ball that’s not directly above your head or in front of you with one hand first. Stretching two hands to a ball was one of Cal’s weirdest orders imo.
Nope...sometimes you just can't get 2 hands to the ball. What are you supposed to do, give up? Tipping to a teammate when you can only reach teh ball w/ one hand is the play
OK on the defensive end to, if it keeps the ball from getting into the opponents hands. As someone mentioned, you can stretch further w/ one hand than 2
IMO there are times to go for it with both hands, and times to go for it with 1 hand, and times to tip it. These are based on whether you have blocked out or are blocked out, is the nearest guy your size or bigger or smaller, is the ball right above you or a couple feet away. You can reach higher with 1 hand than 2. But obviously you can retain possession better with 2 hands. Other times you can’t get it yourself, but maybe you can tip it to a teammate.
You couldn't watch BYU clips from last season and not notice that Pope teams regularly do that. Do you want the ball or do you want style points?
It used to work for me if I was smaller than my opponent, but only if I was quicker off the floor. If I could jump twice to his once then tipping the ball out of his reach and then grabbing it worked like a charm. Rodman used to do that all the time in NBA. Oscar did it quite a bit as well. Whatever works.
Arguably the best rebounder of all time (Rodman) talked about this..
He said if he couldn't get it easily with both hands, he would try to tip it with one hand to himself....his reason was that you can reach higher with one hand than you can trying to with both hands....
You don't see when they're measuring verticals guys jumping and trying to get the highest with both hands......using one hand is the way to reach maximum height
He said if he couldn't get it easily with both hands, he would try to tip it with one hand to himself....his reason was that you can reach higher with one hand than you can trying to with both hands....
You don't see when they're measuring verticals guys jumping and trying to get the highest with both hands......using one hand is the way to reach maximum height
I don't know. I'm not going to go looking for stats, but I can remember some of the greatest rebounders of all-time have a masterful ability at tipping rebounds. Either to themselves or teammates. I'm not advocating pushing that as a coach. Only stating it think it's something that seems to separate great rebounders from the mediocre.
Sure. Do like the Cal players. Grab that rebound with both hands then promptly bring the ball down to your knees so the shortest players on the court can steal it from you.
My thoughts, tipping the ball is only good if your team eventually gets the rebound....otherwise, you risk giving it to the opponent.
I was taught to always go for the rebound with 2 hands. But I also sat the bench for most of the time. I should've brought a case of donuts with me to the game to eat on the sideline. It helps ease the pain of being average.
I was taught to always go for the rebound with 2 hands. But I also sat the bench for most of the time. I should've brought a case of donuts with me to the game to eat on the sideline. It helps ease the pain of being average.
Mark Pope’s coach when he played for the Pacers, Larry Bird, tipped the ball a lot.
Cameron Mills looks like he's been tipping a lot of waitresses lately.
This. And I love the people here trying to preach that two hands is the only way like they know something mysterious about basketball. The human body has to obey the basic rules of geometry and physics. Basketball or no basketball. And by those basic rules you can simply extend farther with one hand. Meaning you can reach a ball farther away or you can get to a closer ball faster.
That doesn’t mean you should always try to grab a board with one hand. You should obviously do whatever’s most appropriate to each situation. To give you the highest chance of both being the one who gets the ball and protecting it.
Trying to do that while purposely avoiding one-hand grabs is just as stupid as refusing to ever play or practice zone. It sounds slick at the moments when you’re describing how much better man is over the long haul and saying you only have enough drill time to get world-beating good at one of them so you’re gonna sink all your effort into that one exclusively. But when you actually put that into practice you cheat yourself out of a lot of low-hanging fruit. You can’t help but wind up looking stupid occasionally and pissing off your fanbase when you didn’t have any real need to. Bonehead Cal did that to us with his rebound philosophy as well as his defensive philosophy. The rebounding hit we took was thankfully much smaller but it was still there and there were plenty of reminders of it, for anyone paying attention, as we faced all those SEC bigs year after year who weren’t so inflexibly shackled to that approach. Of course you need to take care of the ball. But you need to get the friggin ball first. Many times you can do that just as reliably with two hands. And sometimes you can’t.
As to the original subject and question, what they actually said during the exhibition game was that Pope teaches tip-outs over rebounds in certain situations. Pope feels that rebounding has the exposure of getting over-the-back calls. Tipping to an open teammate doesn’t.
Too many people want to play rebounding by the number kind of like painting by the numbers. The greatest rebounders all had 2 things in common - a belief that every rebound within arms length was theirs and an instinct on where the ball was going when it hit the rim. It didn’t matter how they got it, as long as they got it. Instill that drive and instinct in players and they will get rebounds that belie their height and athleticism.
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Knowing where the ball would kick was my greatest strength in rebounding...helped make up for that 11" vertical
I used to get a ton of offensive rebounds by staking out the area on the opposite side of the basket when a shot was released. On defense, you block out.
At the risk of sounding less than humble, I would say I was the best rebounder on the floor in the majority of the games I ever played. There was never any one way that I rebounded.
Put a body on whoever is close, then go after the ball with reckless abandon. Grabbed plenty of rebounds one-handed, but it was never a decision. Only instinct.
Also only fouled out twice in my life, both fouling late to stop the clock. Being the most aggressive rebounder on the floor doesn’t necessarily correlates with high foul rate, imo.
Being tentative is the killer, which is probably the point of saying go for the ball with two hands instead of one. Man thing is full commitment. If you feel like the ball belongs to you, it probably will. And the ref will agree.
Put a body on whoever is close, then go after the ball with reckless abandon. Grabbed plenty of rebounds one-handed, but it was never a decision. Only instinct.
Also only fouled out twice in my life, both fouling late to stop the clock. Being the most aggressive rebounder on the floor doesn’t necessarily correlates with high foul rate, imo.
Being tentative is the killer, which is probably the point of saying go for the ball with two hands instead of one. Man thing is full commitment. If you feel like the ball belongs to you, it probably will. And the ref will agree.