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MountaineerWV

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My daughter had her preschool shots and checkup this week. Now, full disclosure, I have insurance. (THANK GOD!) When we were sent the statement and saw how much it costed for 2 shots and a checkup, lasting less than 1 hour, WOW! The total was over $700. I guess what I'm getting at is there is no way a person who is working at a job that does not offer health benefits could afford this. Especially those people who make more than what the government assistance allows, but less than Donald Trump!!!!!

Dog the Health Care Act all you want, but at least it is an attempt to help out those that may not be as fortunate as you or I, yet are solid working class people and deserve the opportunity to take better care of and for themselves and their families.

$700 for a freaking 1 hour, 2 shot, look in her ears and throat....visit???????? COME ON!
 

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I don't think anyone believes that the health care system from the care, to the facilities, to the cost, to the payment policies, to the insurance is in good shape in America. The ACA is a governmental act to help with some issues as it pertains to individuals and families get insurance and as a byproduct, hopefully affect some of the other issues of the bigger picture in a positive manner. But one side of the political spectrum want to continue to just ***** about everything at the same time their only solution is to let the "capital system" and the "free market" dictate everything. And they have mostly won for the past 100 years and this is what we have.

So, this country has to demand a change and that starts with governmental intervention and the only way for that to happen is to elect people willing to make some hard decisions and quit being bought off by those that make a fortune from a $700 shot. Individuals do your part to make this happen.. But I won't hold my breath and we will continue to see the same fights because 50% of the country have been brainwashed in believing allowing the "free market" is the solution. Well, evidence as your story tells the truth in the matter.
 

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I don't think anyone believes that the health care system from the care, to the facilities, to the cost, to the payment policies, to the insurance is in good shape in America. The ACA is a governmental act to help with some issues as it pertains to individuals and families get insurance and as a byproduct, hopefully affect some of the other issues of the bigger picture in a positive manner. But one side of the political spectrum want to continue to just ***** about everything at the same time their only solution is to let the "capital system" and the "free market" dictate everything. And they have mostly won for the past 100 years and this is what we have.

So, this country has to demand a change and that starts with governmental intervention and the only way for that to happen is to elect people willing to make some hard decisions and quit being bought off by those that make a fortune from a $700 shot. Individuals do your part to make this happen.. But I won't hold my breath and we will continue to see the same fights because 50% of the country have been brainwashed in believing allowing the "free market" is the solution. Well, evidence as your story tells the truth in the matter.

What about the other 50% of the country that has been brainwashed that the ACA cured all the health care problems. Have you noticed the dramatic increase in health insurance rates? Why do you think the big insurance companies have pumped millions into the Obama coffers as they continue to record RECORD profits. Here is also some news for you, the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public, just like they have always done. I also need to make you aware that a truly financially needy person would not have had to pay the fee since we already had a solution in place. No doubt the health care system needed a fix, but unfortunately it turned out as "politics as usual".
 

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What about the other 50% of the country that has been brainwashed that the ACA cured all the health care problems. Have you noticed the dramatic increase in health insurance rates? Why do you think the big insurance companies have pumped millions into the Obama coffers as they continue to record RECORD profits. Here is also some news for you, the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public, just like they have always done. I also need to make you aware that a truly financially needy person would not have had to pay the fee since we already had a solution in place. No doubt the health care system needed a fix, but unfortunately it turned out as "politics as usual".
No I haven't. My insurance rates haven't changed noticeably in several years.
 
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What about the other 50% of the country that has been brainwashed that the ACA cured all the health care problems. Have you noticed the dramatic increase in health insurance rates? Why do you think the big insurance companies have pumped millions into the Obama coffers as they continue to record RECORD profits. Here is also some news for you, the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public, just like they have always done. I also need to make you aware that a truly financially needy person would not have had to pay the fee since we already had a solution in place. No doubt the health care system needed a fix, but unfortunately it turned out as "politics as usual".

Health insurance rates have not went up. More people are purchasing health insurance every single day. Over time, rates will come down slightly (at least in theory) because more people are purchasing insurance. Mine haven't changed one single penny, up or down.

"the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public
" - Are your serious? I feel sorry for you.

You should read my post in the Christy thread, you will learn something.
 
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What about the other 50% of the country that has been brainwashed that the ACA cured all the health care problems. Have you noticed the dramatic increase in health insurance rates? Why do you think the big insurance companies have pumped millions into the Obama coffers as they continue to record RECORD profits. Here is also some news for you, the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public, just like they have always done. I also need to make you aware that a truly financially needy person would not have had to pay the fee since we already had a solution in place. No doubt the health care system needed a fix, but unfortunately it turned out as "politics as usual".
You continue to demonstrate how stupid and ignorant you are. Dr's "gouging" patients? Really? Let me clue you in. Most doctors see very few private pay patients. In my practice, it is less than 5%. The other 95% have some form of insurance usually a PPO where fees are set by the insurance company. If my usual and customary for a procedure is $100, I don't receive $100. I receive a fraction of that. Maybe $50 or $60. It depends on the insurance. It is a predetermined fee structure that the provider agrees to become a member of the panel and have access to those patients. And those insurance companies can also dictate what tests are done. So there is no "gouging" by doctors. The problem with healthcare in this country is the insurance companies. Removing the middle-man and going to single payer would curtail inflation in healthcare. And that inflation is not rooted in what is paid to doctors. It is rooted in the increase in premiums which increases profits of big insurance. Did you see Anthem just bought Cigna for $47 billion? The profits of these companies is obscene.
 

bornaneer

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You continue to demonstrate how stupid and ignorant you are. Dr's "gouging" patients? Really? Let me clue you in. Most doctors see very few private pay patients. In my practice, it is less than 5%. The other 95% have some form of insurance usually a PPO where fees are set by the insurance company. If my usual and customary for a procedure is $100, I don't receive $100. I receive a fraction of that. Maybe $50 or $60. It depends on the insurance. It is a predetermined fee structure that the provider agrees to become a member of the panel and have access to those patients. And those insurance companies can also dictate what tests are done. So there is no "gouging" by doctors. The problem with healthcare in this country is the insurance companies. Removing the middle-man and going to single payer would curtail inflation in healthcare. And that inflation is not rooted in what is paid to doctors. It is rooted in the increase in premiums which increases profits of big insurance. Did you see Anthem just bought Cigna for $47 billion? The profits of these companies is obscene.

You consider 50 or 60% a fraction? Do you consider over prescribing or unnecessary procedures or tests gouging. You are correct about the obscene profits. What did the ACA do about it? I personally don't know many doctors who are on welfare or many that could afford to pay $50,000 for the thrill of shooting a lion. I won't be shedding any tears for your financial issues, since we both know you are doing better than most .
 

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You consider 50 or 60% a fraction? Do you consider over prescribing or unnecessary procedures or tests gouging. You are correct about the obscene profits. What did the ACA do about it? I personally don't know many doctors who are on welfare or many that could afford to pay $50,000 for the thrill of shooting a lion. I won't be shedding any tears for your financial issues, since we both know you are doing better than most .

That really wasn't his point ... but at the same time, the surest way for your point to NOT be heard is to start out by calling the person stupid and ignorant.

You both make very good and legitimate points.

I will say though that this year my insurance premiums actually went down for an ACA compliant health plan. Technically 50%-60% is a fraction. Imagine you provide a service and determine what your rate should be and then the vast majority of people only pay you half or a little over your asking price, while others don't pay you at all.

Overall, I think the ACA is rooted in some good fundamental ideas. There are some shortcomings, but hopefully it will get tweaked and in 5-10 years everybody will be better off for this having been put in place. It's honestly too early to tell if it's good or bad. There was so much inertia in the old system and it will take awhile to build up the inertia in this system.
 

bornaneer

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That really wasn't his point ... but at the same time, the surest way for your point to NOT be heard is to start out by calling the person stupid and ignorant.

You both make very good and legitimate points.

I will say though that this year my insurance premiums actually went down for an ACA compliant health plan. Technically 50%-60% is a fraction. Imagine you provide a service and determine what your rate should be and then the vast majority of people only pay you half or a little over your asking price, while others don't pay you at all.

Overall, I think the ACA is rooted in some good fundamental ideas. There are some shortcomings, but hopefully it will get tweaked and in 5-10 years everybody will be better off for this having been put in place. It's honestly too early to tell if it's good or bad. There was so much inertia in the old system and it will take awhile to build up the inertia in this system.

I'm usually not the one who starts the "stupid and ignorant" crap, that would be Counrtyroads and RPJ, but I admit I have used those terms when applicable. Yes 50 or 60% is technically a fraction, but in business lingo a fraction usually refers to a very, very small amount. I would also guess that the Doc has a very low payroll as most out front hires are near minimum wage in the eyeglass business. And yes there is "gouging" by people in the health care industry. Do you actually think the Doc is charging the least he can charge for a non insured patient whose fee has no ceiling. We both know he does not.
 
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I'm usually not the one who starts the "stupid and ignorant" crap, that would be Counrtyroads and RPJ, but I admit I have used those terms when applicable. Yes 50 or 60% is technically a fraction, but in business lingo a fraction usually refers to a very, very small amount. In most business's 50 or 60% is a healthy margin. I would also guess that the Doc has a very low payroll as most out front hires are near minimum wage in the eyeglass business. And yes there is "gouging" by people in the health care industry. Do you actually think the Doc is charging the least he can charge for a non insured patient whose fee has no ceiling. We both know he does not.
Yes. You are ignorant. the sad thing is, you actually believe some of the things you post.
 

bornaneer

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Yes. You are ignorant. the sad thing is, you actually believe some of the things you post.

Refute point by point. Are your front end people driving Porsches? You actually believe there is no gouging in the health care industry by professionals? You charge all patients the exactly the same for the same services?
 
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bornaneer

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50 or 60% IS a healthy margin, but that's not what he said. He only get's paid 50-60% of what he charges, and his margins would be built into his standard rate.

Yes, after reading his post again, I was wrong about that. It did not mean margin. The question now becomes does Doc now charge the non insured patient $100 or do they also only have to pay him 50 or 60%. For all we know the $100 fee may have been gouging.
 
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Health insurance rates have not went up. More people are purchasing health insurance every single day. Over time, rates will come down slightly (at least in theory) because more people are purchasing insurance. Mine haven't changed one single penny, up or down.

"the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public
" - Are your serious? I feel sorry for you.

You should read my post in the Christy thread, you will learn something.

Your local weather is not an indicator of climate change. My employer has made it a point to raise our's very little, and communicated the actual rates (that are increasing) that they've made up on our behalves. Everyone else says premiums are increasing at a higher velocity than they were prior to ACA. Why in theory should they go down? Nothing in the ACA addresses costs.

So he missed his chair going to an interview? What does that have to do with the increasing premiums being charged by insurance companies, and the rebates those same companies receive from the feds?
 

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My daughter had her preschool shots and checkup this week. Now, full disclosure, I have insurance. (THANK GOD!) When we were sent the statement and saw how much it costed for 2 shots and a checkup, lasting less than 1 hour, WOW! The total was over $700. I guess what I'm getting at is there is no way a person who is working at a job that does not offer health benefits could afford this. Especially those people who make more than what the government assistance allows, but less than Donald Trump!!!!!

Dog the Health Care Act all you want, but at least it is an attempt to help out those that may not be as fortunate as you or I, yet are solid working class people and deserve the opportunity to take better care of and for themselves and their families.

$700 for a freaking 1 hour, 2 shot, look in her ears and throat....visit???????? COME ON!
I would be interested to know how much of that $700 charge your insurance actually pays. It does seem fairly high for what sounds like a standard well child visit with immunizations.
 

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The idea that rates haven't risen is absurd. I run a company with 250 employees. 171 use our insurance. I just got my renewal from my broker thru Cigna. Our annual premium went from 1.7 million to 2 3 million. About 35% more. Last year it went up 27%. If you aren't seeing higher premiums its because your company is eating them. I ate all 27 % last year. I cannot eat the whole 35 this year. We had a few folks with major medical issues last year that accounted for some of the increase but 600,000 dollars is a huge amount of money for me. Especially with the millions more I have to pay for compliance to Dodd Frank so the CFPB doesn't walk in and fine me some made up amount of money because I made a 100 dollar mistake on a Settlement statement.
Personally, I've seen the cost of my leukemia medicine, Gleevec, rise from 4400 a MONTH to 8400 a MONTH for 30 pills.

I'm glad some of you aren't seeing higher premiums but if you don't think this is put of control ask your employer to share THEIR cost increases. I know many small businesses that have laid off or cut hours to part time numbers or have simply given their employees X dollars and told them to find an exchange and pay the difference . Maybe it gets better over time but right now it along with the total over regulation is killing small businesses. That's not some view from Fox News. That's from a fellow Mountaineer that has to find a way to write the checks every two weeks.
 

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The idea that rates haven't risen is absurd. I run a company with 250 employees. 171 use our insurance. I just got my renewal from my broker thru Cigna. Our annual premium went from 1.7 million to 2 3 million. About 35% more. Last year it went up 27%. If you aren't seeing higher premiums its because your company is eating them. I ate all 27 % last year. I cannot eat the whole 35 this year. We had a few folks with major medical issues last year that accounted for some of the increase but 600,000 dollars is a huge amount of money for me. Especially with the millions more I have to pay for compliance to Dodd Frank so the CFPB doesn't walk in and fine me some made up amount of money because I made a 100 dollar mistake on a Settlement statement.
Personally, I've seen the cost of my leukemia medicine, Gleevec, rise from 4400 a MONTH to 8400 a MONTH for 30 pills.

I'm glad some of you aren't seeing higher premiums but if you don't think this is put of control ask your employer to share THEIR cost increases. I know many small businesses that have laid off or cut hours to part time numbers or have simply given their employees X dollars and told them to find an exchange and pay the difference . Maybe it gets better over time but right now it along with the total over regulation is killing small businesses. That's not some view from Fox News. That's from a fellow Mountaineer that has to find a way to write the checks every two weeks.


Thanks for your comments on this issue. It's people like you who write the checks that are the backbone of this country.
 

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right there with you. After Obamacare went into effect, because of some small print in the legislation, my wife's corporate employer "re-classified" her such that she was no longer eligible for health insurance. We had to go find our own insurance. With a family of five, i am now paying just over $18,000 per year out of my own pocket to insure my family. That's a hit in the pocketbook.

And, as a small business owner, i made the decision to no longer provide health insurance to my employees, but to pay the difference for what they can find on their own (as Pbody mentioned).
 

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right there with you. After Obamacare went into effect, because of some small print in the legislation, my wife's corporate employer "re-classified" her such that she was no longer eligible for health insurance. We had to go find our own insurance. With a family of five, i am now paying just over $18,000 per year out of my own pocket to insure my family. That's a hit in the pocketbook.

And, as a small business owner, i made the decision to no longer provide health insurance to my employees, but to pay the difference for what they can find on their own (as Pbody mentioned).

Not to be a prick, but what is your income in comparison to someone else's income that can't afford health care? I mean a person making $40,000/year and having to choose between a premium of over $1,000/month OR no health coverage...or....a person making $150,000 or more having to choose that same option. Little different. I'm sympathetic to everyone, but we need to look at the situation as a whole.
 

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Not to be a prick, but what is your income in comparison to someone else's income that can't afford health care? I mean a person making $40,000/year and having to choose between a premium of over $1,000/month OR no health coverage...or....a person making $150,000 or more having to choose that same option. Little different. I'm sympathetic to everyone, but we need to look at the situation as a whole.
"not to be a prick"? I post to say i understand what Peabody is talking about, and you post this in return? All i did was say, hey, i understand what you're saying, Pbody. Why is that a launching pad for you to tee off on me and your assumption/perception of my level of income? My goodness, i was just agreeing that the cost of Obamacare sucks. And you felt a need to criticize me for doing so? As to my level of income, just because my wife and i both worked hard to get through school and worked hard to be successful, why is my simple intent to empathize with someone about the high cost of insurance not all right with you? Your post is non-responsive to what i posted in reply to Pbody. Are you defending Obamacare (i don't think you are)? Do you think people are paying too much money for insurance because of Obamacare (i get the impression you do)? Well, then we agree on the point Pbody made. And i still don't understand why you needed to jump my case.
 
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I used to work for a large Hospital system on the East Coast. They were a big lobbier for ACA. Had a big celebration after it was enacted. About 4 months later, they changed our insurance carrier/raised rates by about 35%/increased our coinsurance, and in the memo they sent to employees, they specifically blamed this change on ACA. I thought that was pretty ironic.
 

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I wasn't trying to cause a ruckus. I grew up in an old coal company clapboard house with 4 rooms, no running water and an outhouse until I left for WVU in 1976. I know what being really poor looks like up close and personal. I've had a job of some sort every day since I was 11. I've been in the mortgage business for nearly 35 years beginning as a loan officer for CITICORP in 1982. Like you and your wife, I worked my *** off trying to be better than everyone else . Sometimes ,many times, failing. When we started this company in 2009, the business as a whole was falling apart because a few people were crooks and Barney Frank demanded the home ownership percentage had to rise to include people who should have never owned a home. Government mandates plus a few crooks will almost always lead to disaster. Frankly, we got lucky to the surprise of many and our little company caught lightening in a bottle.
Luck never gets the credit it deserves . But long story short, by 2013 we were ranked in the top 50 mortgage companies nationally and the 10 th best company to work for in the industry. I'm more proud of being one of the best to work for than any volume ranking. Sadly, since 2012 our net profit has dropped every year while our loan volume has risen each year. The increases in compliance costs and health care are the primary drivers of the drop in net profit. The government mandating how we can pay people have also hurt profits. My story is not out of the ordinary in today's world. Big companies seem to be thriving pretty well based on stock prices anyway. But small and mid sized companies of all types are struggling to keep their heads above water. Job creation has improved but only to the point of about breaking even with entries into the work force. Hence wages are stagnant and we teeter on deflation in many industries. GDP can barely hit 2 percent. Considering how accommodating the Fed has been the past 7 or 8 years, that is a huge disappointment. Should the coming rise in short term rates spark a huge run up in long term rates, the housing market alone could push the whole country back to negative GDP numbers. It's hard to tell. I've seen higher short term rates actually lead to lower long term rates with people thinking the Fed is fighting future inflation. Unfortunately we have no inflation so I aint sure what the rate increases will bring. I just know that I've never laid off a soul and will work for free for a while before I ever do. But I worry about it every day. That's one thing many people who don't own businesses sometimes forget. I consider every employees family my responsibility. Especially some of the folks who've been with me for 20 yrs or more. I've played Santa every year for their kids and now some grandkids. These folks are family to be honest. The thought or fear of failing them weighs on me as I'm sure it does on everyone in my position. My point in this long *** post was really just to point out that things aren't horrible in America but with just a little relief they could be so much better.
 
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bornaneer

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Good stuff...... what was the coal camp? Funny you mentioned Barney Frank. An former neighbor of mine was the CEO of Huntington Banks, now retired, he echoed your same thoughts before the housing crash hit.
 

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"not to be a prick"? I post to say i understand what Peabody is talking about, and you post this in return? All i did was say, hey, i understand what you're saying, Pbody. Why is that a launching pad for you to tee off on me and your assumption/perception of my level of income? My goodness, i was just agreeing that the cost of Obamacare sucks. And you felt a need to criticize me for doing so? As to my level of income, just because my wife and i both worked hard to get through school and worked hard to be successful, why is my simple intent to empathize with someone about the high cost of insurance not all right with you? Your post is non-responsive to what i posted in reply to Pbody. Are you defending Obamacare (i don't think you are)? Do you think people are paying too much money for insurance because of Obamacare (i get the impression you do)? Well, then we agree on the point Pbody made. And i still don't understand why you needed to jump my case.

No jumping on to you. I was just saying that a person at a $40K level of income and potentially having to spend $1,000/month premium BEFORE this health care bill is different than a family making $150K and facing the same dilemma...to have or not have insurance. EVERY person who is employed and works hard DESERVES the right to affordable insurance. Those who are lazy, no. But the overwhelming of Americans are hard-working, yet before the number of uninsured was extremely high.

Has this health care bill allowed for prices to go up? Yes. Now, whose fault is that? Free Enterprise?
 

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Health insurance rates have not went up. More people are purchasing health insurance every single day. Over time, rates will come down slightly (at least in theory) because more people are purchasing insurance. Mine haven't changed one single penny, up or down.

"the ACA has allowed that doctors to GOUGE the public
" - Are your serious? I feel sorry for you.

You should read my post in the Christy thread, you will learn something.

I don't know a SINGLE person that has had their premiums drop a dime. Our corporate rates jumped between 15-20% post ACA passage, double the increases we saw prior to the ACA. My wife's work, premiums jump even more. Rates on the "exchange" here in West Virginia, even worse.

The reason you make the statement you do is because people receiving subsidies are skewing the data, but for a vast number of us we can't take advantage of the subsidies from a private level, and can't claim any breaks on the corporate level. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place, not wanting to send our employees to the exchanges (where we know they'll be worse off) but not able to keep affording the rate increases (with worse coverage).

Meanwhile... COSTS have not dropped a lick, and won't be.

The administration had the opportunity to enact REAL change, but instead of having a meeting of the minds and actually leading, they allowed bureaucrats to custom write legislation that only benefits a select few.
 

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Insurance rates have gone up and continue to go up. There are a couple guys in this thread who will repeat whatever they read at their libtard blog but in the real world health care insurance is more expensive and health care costs are higher. In morgantown all the hospitals are celebrating by doubling in size.
 
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I don't know a SINGLE person that has had their premiums drop a dime. Our corporate rates jumped between 15-20% post ACA passage, double the increases we saw prior to the ACA. My wife's work, premiums jump even more. Rates on the "exchange" here in West Virginia, even worse.

The reason you make the statement you do is because people receiving subsidies are skewing the data, but for a vast number of us we can't take advantage of the subsidies from a private level, and can't claim any breaks on the corporate level. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place, not wanting to send our employees to the exchanges (where we know they'll be worse off) but not able to keep affording the rate increases (with worse coverage).

Meanwhile... COSTS have not dropped a lick, and won't be.

The administration had the opportunity to enact REAL change, but instead of having a meeting of the minds and actually leading, they allowed bureaucrats to custom write legislation that only benefits a select few.
Mine went up 25% this year, while the quality dropped. This is the lowest mine has went up since before Obamacare. As I have said in the past, I don't know how much of that is because of Obamacare and how much is my company and Anthem having a convenient scapegoat.
 
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I don't know a SINGLE person that has had their premiums drop a dime. Our corporate rates jumped between 15-20% post ACA passage, double the increases we saw prior to the ACA. My wife's work, premiums jump even more. Rates on the "exchange" here in West Virginia, even worse.

The reason you make the statement you do is because people receiving subsidies are skewing the data, but for a vast number of us we can't take advantage of the subsidies from a private level, and can't claim any breaks on the corporate level. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place, not wanting to send our employees to the exchanges (where we know they'll be worse off) but not able to keep affording the rate increases (with worse coverage).

Meanwhile... COSTS have not dropped a lick, and won't be.

The administration had the opportunity to enact REAL change, but instead of having a meeting of the minds and actually leading, they allowed bureaucrats to custom write legislation that only benefits a select few.

I pay 400 a month and my employer pays 800 a month, been the same for several years. How many Health Care Act proposals did the Republicans put forth? How many times did they try to overturn the ACA? Seems to me their efforts would have been better spent making changes to the ACA instead of voting for trying to eliminate it. Crazy me, I thought that's what legislators did.
 

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I pay 400 a month and my employer pays 800 a month, been the same for several years. How many Health Care Act proposals did the Republicans put forth? How many times did they try to overturn the ACA? Seems to me their efforts would have been better spent making changes to the ACA instead of voting for trying to eliminate it. Crazy me, I thought that's what legislators did.

I don't care what the Republicans put forth and didn't put forth prior to the ACA. The President failed to lead on this issue. It was his way or the highway.

You have a very special employer if your premiums have held, because I'm waiting to meet a local business that hasn't seen an increase greater than their standard increases. And many are changing plans to try and keep costs the same, such as raising deductibles, out of pockets, etc..

After having a year of having a child in and out of the hospital mutiple times, with visits to Children's in DC, Hopkins, Children's in Philly, local hospitals, I'm getting tired of the ******** that is health care.
 

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I pay 400 a month and my employer pays 800 a month, been the same for several years. How many Health Care Act proposals did the Republicans put forth? How many times did they try to overturn the ACA? Seems to me their efforts would have been better spent making changes to the ACA instead of voting for trying to eliminate it. Crazy me, I thought that's what legislators did.

Your employers health insurance has not increased in years.....LMAO. I bet you know zero about your employers insurance costs. The Republicans put forth several ideas regarding health care reform. Why do you think the insurance companies and companies like Walmart suddenly became allies with Obama and pumped millions and millions into his coffers? You might want to check out the bottom lines on all the health insurance companies these days.
 

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There are 2 aspects insurance premiums. Your costs and your employers costs and the policy itself. At my company the costs have gone up but our deductible has blown up. I cant blame the company because they have shopped for the best plan they can offer without having to raise our prices to clients because we function in a competitive environment and offering services at the lowest cost is vital.
 

rog1187

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You consider 50 or 60% a fraction? Do you consider over prescribing or unnecessary procedures or tests gouging. You are correct about the obscene profits. What did the ACA do about it? I personally don't know many doctors who are on welfare or many that could afford to pay $50,000 for the thrill of shooting a lion. I won't be shedding any tears for your financial issues, since we both know you are doing better than most .
Consider that he has to take that 50-60% and pay for the operations of his office - labor, utilities, equipment, chargeable and non-chartable supplies...he's not getting all of that 50-60% and putting it in his pocket.
 

dave

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I wasn't trying to cause a ruckus. I grew up in an old coal company clapboard house with 4 rooms, no running water and an outhouse until I left for WVU in 1976. I know what being really poor looks like up close and personal. I've had a job of some sort every day since I was 11. I've been in the mortgage business for nearly 35 years beginning as a loan officer for CITICORP in 1982. Like you and your wife, I worked my *** off trying to be better than everyone else . Sometimes ,many times, failing. When we started this company in 2009, the business as a whole was falling apart because a few people were crooks and Barney Frank demanded the home ownership percentage had to rise to include people who should have never owned a home. Government mandates plus a few crooks will almost always lead to disaster. Frankly, we got lucky to the surprise of many and our little company caught lightening in a bottle.
Luck never gets the credit it deserves . But long story short, by 2013 we were ranked in the top 50 mortgage companies nationally and the 10 th best company to work for in the industry. I'm more proud of being one of the best to work for than any volume ranking. Sadly, since 2012 our net profit has dropped every year while our loan volume has risen each year. The increases in compliance costs and health care are the primary drivers of the drop in net profit. The government mandating how we can pay people have also hurt profits. My story is not out of the ordinary in today's world. Big companies seem to be thriving pretty well based on stock prices anyway. But small and mid sized companies of all types are struggling to keep their heads above water. Job creation has improved but only to the point of about breaking even with entries into the work force. Hence wages are stagnant and we teeter on deflation in many industries. GDP can barely hit 2 percent. Considering how accommodating the Fed has been the past 7 or 8 years, that is a huge disappointment. Should the coming rise in short term rates spark a huge run up in long term rates, the housing market alone could push the whole country back to negative GDP numbers. It's hard to tell. I've seen higher short term rates actually lead to lower long term rates with people thinking the Fed is fighting future inflation. Unfortunately we have no inflation so I aint sure what the rate increases will bring. I just know that I've never laid off a soul and will work for free for a while before I ever do. But I worry about it every day. That's one thing many people who don't own businesses sometimes forget. I consider every employees family my responsibility. Especially some of the folks who've been with me for 20 yrs or more. I've played Santa every year for their kids and now some grandkids. These folks are family to be honest. The thought or fear of failing them weighs on me as I'm sure it does on everyone in my position. My point in this long *** post was really just to point out that things aren't horrible in America but with just a little relief they could be so much better.

I know for a fact that the owners of my company have worked for free at times just to keep people in the company. Probably as much out of the idea of keeping good people and not losing them to competition as it is out of the goodness of their hearts but I know that it has happened when industry has been slow. I consider that every time a headhunter calls with some plum position at some hot shot up and coming company looking for talent and flashing Benjamins. Bottom line is I love your story pbody and I have mad respect for you and have for a while. Thanks for sharing.
 

bornaneer

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Consider that he has to take that 50-60% and pay for the operations of his office - labor, utilities, equipment, chargeable and non-chartable supplies...he's not getting all of that 50-60% and putting it in his pocket.

No kidding................BUT we also don't know if the "usual and customary " fee was gouging. How many poor doctors do you know, even ones who just fit eyeglasses and such ? If it's that bad they should consider another line of work.
 

MountaineerWV

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No kidding................BUT we also don't know if the "usual and customary " fee was gouging. How many poor doctors do you know, even ones who just fit eyeglasses and such ? If it's that bad they should consider another line of work.

That is my point, I guess. I'm all for making as much money as you can. But doing so by gouging or raising prices unnecessarily? Seems to me that if we were talking about gas prices, the government and others would be all over it. If this were Lowes or Home Depot after a natural disaster, they'd be all over it. But when prices rose drastically after this bill passed......nothing. Where's the oversight? Maybe they did look in to it, I don't know. I don't follow politics that closely anymore.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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That is my point, I guess. I'm all for making as much money as you can. But doing so by gouging or raising prices unnecessarily? Seems to me that if we were talking about gas prices, the government and others would be all over it. If this were Lowes or Home Depot after a natural disaster, they'd be all over it. But when prices rose drastically after this bill passed......nothing. Where's the oversight? Maybe they did look in to it, I don't know. I don't follow politics that closely anymore.
You are aware there are mechanisms in place to cover that kind of thing right? Competition drives prices but if there is a coordinated raise in price all one needs to do is call the BBB and report it.
 

MountaineerWV

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You are aware there are mechanisms in place to cover that kind of thing right? Competition drives prices but if there is a coordinated raise in price all one needs to do is call the BBB and report it.

Yes, I know that. But it appears as if health care is left out. That is my point.