They also missed pass interference on the very next play again. Then they called one on the Patriots when Mahomes had the ball, this was not a refs giving the Patriots the game. They did have luck on their side though, imo that coin toss decided the winner. The defenses were gassed and both QB's were on fire, whoever got the ball was scoring a TD and ending the game.
Tom Brady is GOD
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Ha I know how it sounds. If not darnold, certainly Rodgers, Brees, rivers could make 5 yard passes after 1-second in the pocket.
Again it's that play calling that allows Brady to succeed. He'd have been retired in any other system..
Certainly not Dak.. Not sure I'd put Mahomes in just because of his age (although last night he was about as poised as can be, much more than if Brady was sacked 5 times).
Moving on, what sort of nonsense do you guys expect to happen in two weeks? I fully expect 2 or 3 absurd calls to go New Englands way.
Moving on, what sort of nonsense do you guys expect to happen in two weeks? I fully expect 2 or 3 absurd calls to go New Englands way.
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I root against Brady and the Pats...always. But I can't deny comedy gold.
Hmmm. You know who agrees with that crazy idea? Some coaches on the Patriot’s staff:
One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn't that Belichick's system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. "But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it," the assistant said. "I don't think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don't."
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2018/09/coaches_believed_patriots_coul.html
Forgot about that story. Also forgot that Bill isn't just 11-5 without Brady, he's actually 14-6.. They went 3-1 without him due to suspension.
Very few players and coaches leave Belichick to become better players. Dion Lewis, Jimmy G.. not many others. By and large when personnel leave the Pats, they suck. Because Bill runs a machine.
A nameless New England assistant allegedly said something to a reporter...I can't even imagine how much garbage your gullible *** believes if it wants to believe something. I bet you watch the news like its holy writ. That blog post destroyed Brady's legacy haha.
I don't care either way. But to not give Brady the respect is crazy. "Game manager" now. He threw for 348 yards and a touchdown, and make clutch play after clutch play in the 4th quarter.
Trent Dilfer was a game manager. Tom Brady is the GOAT. And he does it without a superstar cast every year. He's never had an elite RB. Gronk is great, but outside of Randy Moss, how many elite WR's has he had?
Trent Dilfer was a game manager. Tom Brady is the GOAT. And he does it without a superstar cast every year. He's never had an elite RB. Gronk is great, but outside of Randy Moss, how many elite WR's has he had?
That was a pretty buzz worthy story. Not sure why it would be made up and why it's not believable. IIRC that report came out during the Jimmy G situation, is it that unreasonable that some staff wanted Brady to move on to user in Jimmy G? That they feel 5-yard screen passes and no mobility can be had by other QBs?
You are just embarrassing yourself at this point...you can't fathom why a story that would get a bunch of clicks would be made up? The problem with hating someone or some group is that you believe anything negative about them...however silly it makes you look, you believe it cause you want to believe it. That 'want to believe component...the want to believe Tom Brady is pedestrian' makes you capable of saying all that Mark Sanchez crap and other garbage you said earlier. Take a walk...get some fresh air, think things through...come back and try to be reasonable.
You're refuting a story simply because you don't think it's true.. Or maybe because you don't want it to be true.
LOL aside from the mark Sanchez remark, everything I said above is shared by quite a few pundits, fans etc.
No one is saying Tom Brady sucks. No one is saying he isn't great. You need to relax a bit about your boy Brady.
By agreeing with a story that says half the league quarterbacks could do what he does....that is the literal definition of saying you don't think he is great. You refuted your whole argument of the last two pages by saying 'no one is saying he isn't great'.
Where you at @KingOfBBN, you started this sh-t, the lunatics showed up and I'm the only one here dealing with them
I think Brady's success is great. If you want to go by that, you can't argue it. But I never use team wins and championships for that much weight on an individual. I'm still curious why you're so adament that this was a made up story. Is there something I missed? Did they refute it?
Just keeping score here. Not only are you starting to become unhinged but you're calling for backup?
Brady? This your burner account?
the calling for a friend was a joke cause I know KingofBBN from the political board. I'm not adamant it was a made up story, I was laughing that you took so much stock in whether a nameless assistant actually said something to an espn reporter and your brain can't possibly understand that something might be 'clickbait'.
It's possible that it's made up.. But i think that's unlikely. This isn't politics, it's sports. I won't rule it out though, I'd just need to see something that makes me think it's a stunt.
Holy hell. I thought you were saying dumb stuff in the other thread. Now, I understand it. You're a Jets fan. Your team sucks and you're jealous. That story that came out about Brady was laughed at by all of the actual beat writers. You're just embarrassing yourself all over this board.
I would love for Bill to come fix the Jets. Link on all these beat writers calling it false?
QUIET HEATHENS OR I SHALL START SMITIN' Y'ALL REAL GOOD AND HARD LIKE
The word clickbait does not apply. The quote is from a book, not a blog post. Here's a link to ESPN which goes into a little more detail:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...rady-long-worried-being-pushed-bill-belichick
So, it's a book, a biography of Belichick. Ian O'Connor, is a known Patriot's homer - a known Brady homer. He's fairly well respected, for what it's worth, although I don't take any journalism at face value much anymore. This book was very widely discussed when it was released, and no one, far as I can tell or recall, ever doubted the authenticity of the quote/source. No one said "Nah, I don't believe a Pats assistant would say that." All the talk was about whether what the assistant said is right, wrong, crazy or solid. This isn't the first time there have been rumblings out of Boston that Belichick thinks Brady is great, but not the greatest....
Belichick is, I think, the greatest coach in modern history, of any sport. The Patriots have the greatest culture in sports. How many players have stunk, been unproductive, or trouble-makers elsewhere, and go to the Pats and stand out? Then usually they leave and go back to being ordinary. How many coaches or coordinators have done really well there, then leave and are mediocre elsewhere? Even executives - Scott Pioli, the Falcons guy, I forget them all. It's the system, the ecosystem. Belichick is the epicenter of all that. Brady simply has to "do his job." He just has to play quarterback. Which is obvious, but I contrast that with players like Aaron Rogers or Peyton Manning, who essentially have to be everything. Manning always had the burden of knowing an entire organization would rise or fall on his shoulders. Brady doesn't bear that burden. Brady's attributes: real arm talent (at one time), amazing accuracy (the single most important attribute for an NFL qb, IMO) and a total command of the offense. But he doesn't play the position, again in my opinion, as well as Rogers or Manning or Marino, to me the three best quarterbacks I've seen. We have a stupid default analysis in this culture of just counting rings. And giving the QB all the credit. Brady has never made a tackle, sacked a quarterback, run between the tackles, fielded a punt, returned a kickoff, kicked a field goal, intercepted a pass, on and on. I remember looking at the box score of the Seahawks/Patriots Super Bowl. Brady was on the field for 70 of 160 snaps, IIRC.
You want to count rings to determine greatness, I can buy that in basketball - 5 guys, each plays both ways. Maybe a pitcher in baseball should be accorded that respect. No one in football.
Summary (I got distracted midway through this post, so it's scattered): Brady is truly great, who can deny that. I think there are a handful of others who played the position better, that's debateable. What I object to is simply counting rings in order to rank players, which is dumb in football.
Yeah most people thought he was a bad hire. Not much success with the Browns, spurned the Jets but I don't think many of us cared at the time.
But man, genius. At this point you have to wonder if he's the GOAT coach of any sport. Head coach, GM, runs the offense... Doing it in a salary cap Era. And rarely having a top draft pick to work with.
I absolutely think he’s the best coach of all-time and here’s my argument for that.
What other coach has had that type of success in football that stretched such long periods? This isn’t six-year Bulls dynasty window or Kobe/Shaq four-year window. Or a Wooden decade, this has been going on for decades for him in some capacity. In basketball, you can live off of just a select few players. In football, you need teams.
Two Super Bowls with the Giants (and it was he who game planned to control the ball for 40 minutes to keep the Bills’ no-huddle offense off the field (got them to 19 mins, I believe).
One Super Bowl loss as an assistant in 1996 for the Pats.
Nine Super Bowl appearances as head coach of the Pats with five/possibly six wins.
It’s hard as hell to win a Super Bowl or even get to it. It’s not like college where you can play weak schedules or have voters put you in a championship.
If it was any one thing I would say attention to detail/preparedness. The Jets could have that entire offense, attempt the hurry up, and they'd muff it up more often than not.
The whole thing it just a well oiled machine. Rarely any mistakes or miscues. It's like he simplifies everyone's position into clear cut "jobs". Just do these 3 things and do it at this time... He executes that hurry up/2-second and dump offense to the point that it's often unguardable.
What kills me is we watch a guy like coach K rip off Cal's every move 2 years after our title.. And meanwhile coaches are still getting shown up by Bill B for 20 years now. I'm amazed no one is trying to replicate his model. Instead they put guys like Ben and Aaron in the pocket for 5 to 6 seconds and they get killed.
Another thing that has always impressed me is that he has always known when to dump somebody and when to get undervalued talent both defense and offense.
Like imagine getting Edelman, a little QB in the sixth round, and then turning him into the most reliable clutch receiver you have.
Another thing to consider when it comes to Belichick vs Saban- Saban always has the pick of the litter every single year. For Bill, he’s drafting at the bottom every single year and taking undervalued guys and making them into Super Bowl caliber guys.
