1. DUKE
2-25. Don’t matter
2-25. Don’t matter
Top 25 teams of the 2010s....
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This has to be false info if ky isn’t #1 in each category
We were the best team in the 2010’s and a top 2 tournament team as well. And yet folks hate OADs? Give me all of the best talent!
I meant it in contradiction to what you were saying, but I appreciate your humor.
Well said! Duke and who cares about the rest. everyone else looking up at us!
Gotta remember the first part of this decade, Nova sucked. It was after the old Big East broke up that they started to take off:
From 2010-2013:
25-8
21-12
13-19
20-14
From 2014-2019:
29-5
33-3
35-5
32-4
36-4
26-10
They’re #8 based on the strength of the back end of this decade, similar to Virginia at #7.
That decade includes a 2010 title team with zero OADs and a 2013 Elite Eight team with zero OADs. So, it's not a referendum on OADs.
And it includes a 2015 title with 3 OADs and 2 additional Elite 8’s with 3+ OADs. Of the 10 teams in the decade, those were the only 2 (2010 and 2013) that didn’t include a OAD player. The other 8 did. So, it kinda is.
Is Calipari a good coach? Most fan bases used to laugh at him for getting all that talent yet only winning one title.
IIRC with the 15 team, “only” one was known before the season as a one and done.
Yet we have had the number one class the last 3 years, and haven’t made a final 4.
Let’s be real here. We say how hard it is, and it is, yet Cal isn’t a good coach?
There’s a level of consistency K has achieved that even Cal hasn’t touched. I know you want to say K isn’t perfect. And he isn’t. I’m not sure anyone here has ever argued that point. But the way he has created his teams, the product he has put on the floor, and the way he has coached his teams is quite frankly better than Cal. It’s not like Cal is some piss poor coach who thinks his team is playing baseball. But K does what he does better than Cal. That’s not an exaggeration.
But the argument has been OAD has “ruined” or “hurt” Duke’s teams. Doesn’t this speak to the contrary?
Can’t disagree with you. Cal is a great coach. But K is better, and has done more for the game than any other college coach alive.
I don’t know any Duke fan that doesn’t want talent, it’s just that the fans that have pulled for Duke since K’s early years sometimes don’t like the effort we think we see at times. That’s been talked about many times.
Getting the best recruits is nice. But any Duke fan that lives in this state that has pulled for Duke for at least 30 years knows what program used to beat their chests about all their nba talent, and all the Duke fans would say “yeah and you didn’t win it all.” That’s us the last few seasons.
I don’t live in Kentucky, so I can’t speak for how annoying their fans are, but I can tell you that a lot of ours sound like the tar hole fans from the 80’s and mid 90’s.
Per the numbers, he is a good coach. That’s the thing. Fans say one thing and the numbers say another. I trust numbers more than fans. No, we haven’t gone to the Final 4 with those No. 1 classes, but we’ve also not gone to the Final Four with previous No. 1 classes either (outside of the OAD era). Duke and Kentucky have been the top 2-3 teams of this decade and they recruit similarly as well. Just sayin.
Measuring success based strictly off National titles is idiotic. So much luck and randomness comes into winning it all (most years), UVA was down multiple games this tournament with under 10 seconds left in the game right??
Not to mention..Duke did get 2 titles the last 10 years, no other school got 3, so not really like were lagging behind.
What can be measured is consistency on an annual basis, and no one has given his teams a "shot" to win the title more than Coach K. We have been a top 4 seed every single season the last 10 years, and we have been a top 3 seed every season minus 2016. That's ridiculous.
Kansas has this kind of consistency too, but they got zero titles, ouch.
Cal can coach, and Kentucky is the only program that can rival us in terms of talent annually. However, they had an NIT season in 2013 and have been an 8 seed another 2 different seasons this decade, that ain't Duke consistency.
Not to mention..Duke did get 2 titles the last 10 years, no other school got 3, so not really like were lagging behind.
What can be measured is consistency on an annual basis, and no one has given his teams a "shot" to win the title more than Coach K. We have been a top 4 seed every single season the last 10 years, and we have been a top 3 seed every season minus 2016. That's ridiculous.
Kansas has this kind of consistency too, but they got zero titles, ouch.
Cal can coach, and Kentucky is the only program that can rival us in terms of talent annually. However, they had an NIT season in 2013 and have been an 8 seed another 2 different seasons this decade, that ain't Duke consistency.
Excellent post. Number one classes don’t guarantee you jack, but it sure beats the alternative. And it’s easy to say well if we had Duke or UK’s roster we’d win every year or be in the final four every year. But guess what, they don’t, and you know what, a massive part of college coaching is the ability to recruit and build a brand. No one has done that better than Duke.
To me the remarkable thing about Coach K's performance (coaching and recruiting) for the past 10 years is that Duke is, year in and year out, right in the middle of the National Championship conversation right to the end. Every year. As a Duke supporter, I cannot ask for anything more in this era of parity and one and done talent.
Plus, I am always proud of how our players conduct themselves on and off the court and after they leave the school.
Plus, I am always proud of how our players conduct themselves on and off the court and after they leave the school.
And it’s basically with a totally different team every time. Speaks to his accomplishments, because the common denominator is K.
Here’s the question: is it effort or some other factor such as chemistry, cohesion or lack of experience? I think we toe a weird line claiming that these kids aren’t giving effort. With the schedules they pull and the work they put in, I wouldn’t dare say their effort is poor.
Sure. But is also includes two teams whose leading scorers were OAD and lost their NCAA openers and a team with three OADs that failed to make it out of the first weekend.
The point to which I was responding suggested that Duke's success in that decade validated a philosophy that didn't come to full fruition until well into that decade. It's more nuanced than that.
Sure it is. The point is that the same respect given to those senior laden teams should be passed to the OAD squads as well. There’s a group of fans who act as if those teams were a blight on Duke’s well-storied history.
The funny thing is, the folks who have supported the OAD teams have never said the veteran teams were anything other a fine example of “Duke Basketball.” Yet the fans who support the veteran style have essentially thrown asterisks beside the young OAD teams. Yet they’ve done nothing to tarnish the good name of Duke.
I’m not sure anyone is directly arguing OAD is better and the only way. The argument has been that it hasn’t hurt Duke as some have tried to maintain, and that has been backed up statistically.
So, Duke, in the 2010’s, was not defined by OADs? We certainly had more after 2014, but still had 3 from 2011-2014.
Also, outside of 2017, those 3+ OAD teams made deep runs into the tournament.
Would you compare Duke’s 2010 decade with the 2000’s decade? I don’t think you would.
Great post. It’s almost like, even with facts, some still don’t want to give props to the OADs who have come through here and are still holding on to a past way of life that no longer exists.
What’s so crazy is the OADs accomplishment cancel out the 2010 and 2013 accomplishment because 2015 and 2018 did the same thing. Then you add 2019 and well...
So, Duke was more successful with OAD and even though the 2017 team lost in the 2nd round, they still won the ACC championship for the first time since 2011.
In conclusion, both styles certainly helped, but this decade was defined by OADs.
So, Duke was more successful with OAD and even though the 2017 team lost in the 2nd round, they still won the ACC championship for the first time since 2011.
In conclusion, both styles certainly helped, but this decade was defined by OADs.
Well it’s as K himself has said, they are recruiting the same ranked kids they always have. But those kids are more likely to leave after one season than they were in 1992. It’s the way the NCAA has changed and the way kids are viewing their future, which quite frankly good for them. I’m really not sure what the argument or issue is...
The issue isn’t the one and done. Now what I’m saying here is only what is spread from others, so I’m not saying what we hear or read is true. But it adds to the mixed feelings with some of them.
Duval tweeting his dunk against Carolina, in a loss too. Trent Sr making a weird comment not long after the season ended. The supposed rumblings with Tatum and Luke in 17. A “reliable” source saying the staff wasn’t happy with Cam even before he sat out the tournament game vs VT. The tension between Rivers and a few others during his lone year. It’s not their talent that is in question. Heck, Mrs Carter had all kind of weird, possibly negative attention hovering over, but I loved the way her son played. As I did watching Ingram, RJ, Giles, Frank Jackson, and of course Zion.
Possibly the biggest prick to play for Duke, Laettner, is of course mostly admired for leading Duke to 4 final fours and 2 titles. He wanted to win, while rubbing this teammates in the process.
The bottom line is most of these kids are just that, kids. Yet the nba is more concerned with getting them to help sell tickets than they are for making men out of them. The lights are on them, and anything that’s not positive gets blown up. Cam was questioned for not playing, maybe that was unfair, but he is a projected star, so it comes with the turf.
We have been successful with one and dones, no one should argue that.
Duval tweeting his dunk against Carolina, in a loss too. Trent Sr making a weird comment not long after the season ended. The supposed rumblings with Tatum and Luke in 17. A “reliable” source saying the staff wasn’t happy with Cam even before he sat out the tournament game vs VT. The tension between Rivers and a few others during his lone year. It’s not their talent that is in question. Heck, Mrs Carter had all kind of weird, possibly negative attention hovering over, but I loved the way her son played. As I did watching Ingram, RJ, Giles, Frank Jackson, and of course Zion.
Possibly the biggest prick to play for Duke, Laettner, is of course mostly admired for leading Duke to 4 final fours and 2 titles. He wanted to win, while rubbing this teammates in the process.
The bottom line is most of these kids are just that, kids. Yet the nba is more concerned with getting them to help sell tickets than they are for making men out of them. The lights are on them, and anything that’s not positive gets blown up. Cam was questioned for not playing, maybe that was unfair, but he is a projected star, so it comes with the turf.
We have been successful with one and dones, no one should argue that.
I get what your saying, but if those fans had an issue with the issues of some OADs and those above situations, I know they had issues with Grayson (tripping), Paulus (who was scaring away recruits), JJ Redick’s DUI, etc. It seems like some on/off the court distractions were acceptable and some aren’t depending on if the player played 4 years at Duke. That’s how it’s being perceived. We’re holding OAD freshmen players to a higher standard than 4 year players.
Here’s the only issue I have with your indictment, which I don’t think is totally wrong by the way. It’s just a little unfair some of the things these kids go through because everything they do is scrutinized much more than any generation of ball player has had to deal with. Their lives are on full display. So the issues we see them go through are things other guys have done before them, we just weren’t privy to that info.
Then, instead of getting to watch their maturation for 3-4 years at Duke, we see the one season of immaturity and that’s it. Some of them become men in the league. But then you have stories like Harry Giles and amazingly mature he was. Luol Deng, using his time to help bring awareness to the issues of his country.
Some of the guys do some boneheaded things as you pointed out (what 18 year old hasn’t?), but that isn’t the whole story. We just don’t get to see the whole story anymore.
I don’t blame anyone for not 100% buying in to the current climate. There is some of that substance that is lost on OAD players. But I just don’t want to make blanket claims that they don’t know how to mature anymore. And that the NBA does them no favors. Adam Silver and the Players’ Union have done wonders for guys. The likes of which have changed players’ lives for the better.
To me, they’ll always be Dukies and whether I watch NBA games or not, their stories after Duke can be just as intriguing as they are when they’re there.
To this day, Paulus is picked on. I don’t know anyone who defended what Grayson did. JJ made a really bad mistake. Whether a kid is here one year, or four, it’s how each fan sees it during that time.
Carter is one of my favorites. My only complaint with him was we only had him one year, yet I couldn’t wait for McRoberts to leave.
You’re pretty much spot on Mac. The Paulus’s and the O’Connell’s get spoken poorly of on here just like the OAD’s. The criticism is just louder sometimes with the OAD’s because they are more integral parts of the team than an O’Connell.