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I cannot comment in Edgy's Preseason Top 30 thread, but the point I wish to make is that Rita has five games with teams (JCA-PC-Bronco-LA-Richards) in his Top 30, and Edgy knows his stuff.

Yes, preseason polls do not mean much, but Rita has another tough schedule with a very young team. Some fine posters of JCA are saying their team is the underdog against Rita. Well, not according to Edgy.

With a young line and unknown QB, this may be a tough year for the Mustangs. However, TK is a great coach and being the underdog this year may just give them that chip on their shoulders that sometimes sparks a team, so to speak.

Any Rita posters with more knowledge and/or specifics about Cascia, please feel free to comment.
 
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Is that a Chicago land top 30?

I was wondering because I did not see East St Louis anywhere.
 

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Looking good Witmonk. Excellent group of ball handlers. Better depth on Oline. Defense solid. I’d say JCA still a slight favorite.

DM me if you go to the opener. Same with you XBones. Happy New Year!
 

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I cannot comment in Edgy's Preseason Top 30 thread, but the point I wish to make is that Rita has five games with teams (JCA-PC-Bronco-LA-Richards) in his Top 30, and Edgy knows his stuff.

Yes, preseason polls do not mean much, but Rita has another tough schedule with a very young team. Some fine posters of JCA are saying their team is the underdog against Rita. Well, not according to Edgy.

With a young line and unknown QB, this may be a tough year for the Mustangs. However, TK is a great coach and being the underdog this year may just give them that chip on their shoulders that sometimes sparks a team, so to speak.

Any Rita posters with more knowledge and/or specifics about Cascia, please feel free to comment.
Do you see a path to 5 wins? A run in 5A playoffs could happen, may cross paths w/ Montini, STL, Hillcrest in North Bracket..shoot maybe JCA. We'll see who petitions up before the deadline.
 

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That’s a tough schedule for sure. I think SR handles JCA and Richards
Looking good Witmonk. Excellent group of ball handlers. Better depth on Oline. Defense solid. I’d say JCA still a slight favorite.

DM me if you go to the opener. Same with you XBones. Happy New Year!
Rock or any other SR guys - a couple years ago I remember a huge uproar about the new admissions process and the number of students accepted in each year. Do you think it has had any affect on the program? Lower level teams?

Good luck to you guys this season. I still miss the MC/SR game, hopefully it comes back soon.
 

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That’s a tough schedule for sure. I think SR handles JCA and Richards

Rock or any other SR guys - a couple years ago I remember a huge uproar about the new admissions process and the number of students accepted in each year. Do you think it has had any affect on the program? Lower level teams?

Good luck to you guys this season. I still miss the MC/SR game, hopefully it comes back soon.

Thank you, Cav8. I, along with probably 100% of the fans, miss it as well. I will be rooting for the Caravan in 7A. I will admit that I did not like the "selective enrollment," but I do remember R-Soup, Ramblinman' and others saying to give it some time and to "chill out" about it. As I posited before, lots of potential students would be turned away from a great school like Rita.

From a football standpoint, it is now assured the Mustangs will probably never see 8A. I like the fact that SR can compete from 5A- 7A. And it forces to coaches to be more focused in whom they pursue, although having depth goes a long way.

I think R-Soup and T-Loner would have interesting insights.
 

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Thank you, Cav8. I, along with probably 100% of the fans, miss it as well. I will be rooting for the Caravan in 7A. I will admit that I did not like the "selective enrollment," but I do remember R-Soup, Ramblinman' and others saying to give it some time and to "chill out" about it. As I posited before, lots of potential students would be turned away from a great school like Rita.

From a football standpoint, it is now assured the Mustangs will probably never see 8A. I like the fact that SR can compete from 5A- 7A. And it forces to coaches to be more focused in whom they pursue, although having depth goes a long way.

I think R-Soup and T-Loner would have interesting insights.
I'm out of state. Try to post something late tomorrow or Saturday. I'd like to see what the freshman numbers are after the summer break. It was 54 and the lacrosse coach told me that he had a kid coming out on August. Will post later on the other issues.
 

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Do you see a path to 5 wins? A run in 5A playoffs could happen, may cross paths w/ Montini, STL, Hillcrest in North Bracket..shoot maybe JCA. We'll see who petitions up before the deadline.

Regarding the possible five wins? Up until seeing Edgy's Top 30, I thought Rita would have a 60 - 65% chance of beating both teams. Now, I'd say 50-50 with Richards and 55 - 45 in favor of the Hilltopper.

Victories against both Marian's are definitely doable. LA-Bronco: SR are definitely underdogs. PC is a slight favorite, while the Benet and ND games are pick'ems.

To answer your question, I have no idea! If SR can beat JCA, then I see momentum and wins against Richards-MC North-MC-South. PC-ND-Benet? Rita would have a very good chance in those games.
 
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With St. Rita opening with 5A State Champion JCA, 6A State Semi-finalist Richards, 8A State Champion Loyola, and 5A State Runner-Up Montini it will baptism by fire for a talented but very young team. This is the 2nd year of contracts with JCA and Richards. And I for one like playing the best.

Everyone is talking about sophomore Kaleb Brown who has solid offers from Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Kansas based upon these off-season workouts. That’s a lot of pressure to put on a young man who has yet to carry the ball in a regular season CCL varsity game. St. Rita’s freshmen team had a 6-3 record last year. But they played the best three OL on the sophomore team to help develop them quicker. What would their record have been with those three playing on the freshmen team? At worst 8-1? And what would Brown’s stats have been? He showed a lot during the Catholic league playoffs and Prep Bowl with varsity blocking. And look for an underclassman to start on the OL too. A lot of pressure for sophomores.

Junior WR Henry Wilson who has a solid offer from Boston College and serious interest from Northwestern and Iowa should balance the other side of the field. And there is serious competition at the QB position. There are other quality ball carriers back too to add balance to the offense. The OL will be a little bigger this year but young at one or two positions. St. Rita has a senior OL who basically missed the whole season with injury last year back who has Big Ten size. That should help. Several gradations have to be filled on the defensive side of the ball. I look for a quicker team on defense this year. The key for the team will be for the offense to sustain drives. Last year injuries and early season turnovers in the red zone hurt the team a lot. And they have to replace a four year starter at place kicker too.

The one intangible that I respect about this team is attitude. The senior class last year set the tone for this year by never getting down even when the playoff bid was lost. They took the Prep Bowl weeks as a challenge to go out winners. I think the younger guys grew a lot having those guys as mentors when they came up to the varsity. Participation in off season workouts was high.

Normally I would make a season prediction just before the season starts like everyone else with the caveats if they stay healthy or if they do not turn over the ball... This year because of the strength of schedule I will be looking at the season one week at a time for the first four weeks. And because of temporary employment I may have to miss those first four games.

But for week one, as of now, I rate the JCA game as a toss up. Way too many underclassmen in key rolls to predict anything else. No sandbagging either by predicting them as underdogs.
 

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But for week one, as of now, I rate the JCA game as a toss up. Way too many underclassmen in key rolls to predict anything else. No sandbagging either by predicting them as underdogs.
Rita's young guys gained a lot of additional reps with their run in the Prep Bowl. JCA only has 6 returning starters, which includes only one on the OL and DL. I also expect the Hilltoppers to start a soph at QB, who only played 1.5 games due to injury as a Frosh. I like Rita in this game. It's at Rita, and the Mustangs will be highly motivated. Just too many unknowns, especially on the lines, for JCA. Also, I expect the Hilltoppers to play a bunch of underclassmen with their small Sr. class. We shall see.
 

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But for week one, as of now, I rate the JCA game as a toss up. Way too many underclassmen in key rolls to predict anything else. No sandbagging either by predicting them as underdogs.
I sounds like both teams are very similar at this point:
Both lost a lot to graduation last year
Both have maybe limited fire power in their junior (now senior) classes (I have to give Rita a slight advantage here)
Both are going to be heavily reliant on underclassmen this year

Rita with a slight advantage in seniors and the advantage of playing at home, I believe St Rita has the edge. The top 30 rankings are probably backward, but I think everybody between 11-30 in the ranking are just traditionally tough teams in any order. With JCA possibly getting the ranking nod only because of 2018 results. Just my opinion.
 

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Rita's young guys gained a lot of additional reps with their run in the Prep Bowl. JCA only has 6 returning starters, which includes only one on the OL and DL. I also expect the Hilltoppers to start a soph at QB, who only played 1.5 games due to injury as a Frosh. I like Rita in this game. It's at Rita, and the Mustangs will be highly motivated. Just too many unknowns, especially on the lines, for JCA. Also, I expect the Hilltoppers to play a bunch of underclassmen with their small Sr. class. We shall see.
If I was from JCA I would say they were underdogs. With SR at home I would be sandbagging if I said SR was an underdog. SR will be underdogs vs Montini and LA. Won't make a prediction about Richards until I see how they play. JCA has experience of integrating younger players into starting players. This is somewhat unusual at SR. That makes me a little hesitant to do chest thumping. I know you guys have a history of playing MC but I like the home and away these two years. Had a brother play at JJCO. Made life long friends with those guys
 
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I know you guys have a history of playing MC but I like the home and away these two years. Had a brother play at JJCO. Made life long friends with those guys
No doubt. Nothing but respect for Rita and their program.
 
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Not sure if anyone is aware, but Rita has removed the visitors stands. Those were brought over with the move to the new campus from Claremont. I know they were redone with new aluminum bleachers 29 years ago. But now they only have seating on 1 side of the field only. Originally when Doyle stadium was constructed they had seating in the Norrh end zone as well, which I sorely miss...My, times have changed. Used to always be the thing to do, meet up at Rita for the game, now you are lucky to even get 1000 people to come out. Hope that it is temporary and new bleachers will be installed.
 
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Not sure if anyone is aware, but Rita has removed the visitors stands. Those were brought over with the move to the new campus from Claremont. I know they were redone with new aluminum bleachers 29 years ago. But now they only have seating on 1 side of the field only. Originally when Doyle stadium was constructed they had seating in the Norrh end zone as well, which I sorely miss...My, times have changed. Used to always be the thing to do, meet up at Rita for the game, now you are lucky to even get 1000 people to come out. Hope that it is temporary and new bleachers will be installed.
TLoner might have better details about the plans for the eventual new permanent stands even though he’s out of state, it seems his info is legit from the contacts he has.

As much as I like the connection to Claremont with the visitor stands, they were a very bad accident waiting to happen. I know the temporary bleacher business is a lot better nowadays as far as design so hopefully they get some nice ones.

And if not, then maybe opening night I get to sit in between @pjjp and @JCHILLTOPPERS
 
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I was going to ask the same thing. I always thought any deadline for "playing up" was before the beginning of the season, making it harder on teams without a very consistent flow of athletes to decide.
September 1st deadline to petition up for all sports teams this year
 

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If Rita gets the 5 wins with their schedule they are going to be dangerous in 5A....unless that 5-4 schedule pairs them up with ESL early, but they do have a lot of talent. Is the junior Brian Johnson going to be the QB? Very athletic kid, played line and RB at Christina with Justin Lynch being at QB, but I always thought if he hit the weights and put on some weight he would be a outstanding LB or DE, was surprised he wanted to be a QB.
 

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If Rita gets the 5 wins with their schedule they are going to be dangerous in 5A....unless that 5-4 schedule pairs them up with ESL early, but they do have a lot of talent. Is the junior Brian Johnson going to be the QB? Very athletic kid, played line and RB at Christina with Justin Lynch being at QB, but I always thought if he hit the weights and put on some weight he would be a outstanding LB or DE, was surprised he wanted to be a QB.
ESL will be in the South bracket of 5A, no early Rita matchup. Montini could play a factor and and JCA/Hillcrest pending the field
 
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TLoner might have better details about the plans for the eventual new permanent stands even though he’s out of state, it seems his info is legit from the contacts he has.

As much as I like the connection to Claremont with the visitor stands, they were a very bad accident waiting to happen. I know the temporary bleacher business is a lot better nowadays as far as design so hopefully they get some nice ones.

And if not, then maybe opening night I get to sit in between @pjjp and @JCHILLTOPPERS
At a early spring luncheon the alumni were told that the plan was that the visitor stands were to be taken done and the home stands were to be moved to the east side of the field. New home stands and press box were to be constructed with other storage and rooms underneath. The visitor stands were taken down. In the last year they built two additions to the campus - fitness center and baseball clubhouse with a concession stand. They put a new floor in the gym and new stands. The mortgage was paid off and money was added to the endowment. The football stands were supposed to be next.

The major problem now is there an opening for principal and president. The principal was a very sick individual. He had a heart transplant. He realized in June that he was not capable of running St. Rita and resigned. Everything is kind of on hold until the positions are filled. I can think of three priests that are alumni that could take over yesterday. Two are former principals. We had a former president who was an alumni worked for a dollar a year and donated six figures to the school. I’m sure that that position could easily be filled by an alumni too.

At the July Alumni barbecue I was told that the baseball stands would be moved to the visitor side and temporary stands would be rented for this season. There was no alumni event in August so I have no clue where we stand now. Sorry I did not respond quickly Rock but I took on temporary employment through the first four weeks of the season. Got home yesterday going to Denver tomorrow. Haven’t missed 4 games in a row in twenty years.

PS Dr Grieco will hit the 600th straight St. Rita game week four of the season.
 

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With St. Rita opening with 5A State Champion JCA, 6A State Semi-finalist Richards, 8A State Champion Loyola, and 5A State Runner-Up Montini it will baptism by fire for a talented but very young team. This is the 2nd year of contracts with JCA and Richards. And I for one like playing the best.

Everyone is talking about sophomore Kaleb Brown who has solid offers from Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Kansas based upon these off-season workouts. That’s a lot of pressure to put on a young man who has yet to carry the ball in a regular season CCL varsity game. St. Rita’s freshmen team had a 6-3 record last year. But they played the best three OL on the sophomore team to help develop them quicker. What would their record have been with those three playing on the freshmen team? At worst 8-1? And what would Brown’s stats have been? He showed a lot during the Catholic league playoffs and Prep Bowl with varsity blocking. And look for an underclassman to start on the OL too. A lot of pressure for sophomores.

Junior WR Henry Wilson who has a solid offer from Boston College and serious interest from Northwestern and Iowa should balance the other side of the field. And there is serious competition at the QB position. There are other quality ball carriers back too to add balance to the offense. The OL will be a little bigger this year but young at one or two positions. St. Rita has a senior OL who basically missed the whole season with injury last year back who has Big Ten size. That should help. Several gradations have to be filled on the defensive side of the ball. I look for a quicker team on defense this year. The key for the team will be for the offense to sustain drives. Last year injuries and early season turnovers in the red zone hurt the team a lot. And they have to replace a four year starter at place kicker too.

The one intangible that I respect about this team is attitude. The senior class last year set the tone for this year by never getting down even when the playoff bid was lost. They took the Prep Bowl weeks as a challenge to go out winners. I think the younger guys grew a lot having those guys as mentors when they came up to the varsity. Participation in off season workouts was high.

Normally I would make a season prediction just before the season starts like everyone else with the caveats if they stay healthy or if they do not turn over the ball... This year because of the strength of schedule I will be looking at the season one week at a time for the first four weeks. And because of temporary employment I may have to miss those first four games.

But for week one, as of now, I rate the JCA game as a toss up. Way too many underclassmen in key rolls to predict anything else. No sandbagging either by predicting them as underdogs.

TL--you've been a very busy man as of late and are still able to provide specific and substantive info. Thanks very much. That Big Ten-sized lineman is definitely a must see; I believe he was showcased on Rita's twitter page in a short video clip just a few days ago. I agree about the attitude and TK is a great motivator as well. I am holding off on the predictions and will take it week-by-week.

I know there's a strong competition going on between the senior and junior QB's. If this position is solid (I believe both of them will see a lot of action) and the O-line performs to its capabilities, the offense will be very productive. I worry about the D-line. The Mustangs need to stop the run, so teams play into Rita's strength on defense--DB's and LB's.
 
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Rita's young guys gained a lot of additional reps with their run in the Prep Bowl. JCA only has 6 returning starters, which includes only one on the OL and DL. I also expect the Hilltoppers to start a soph at QB, who only played 1.5 games due to injury as a Frosh. I like Rita in this game. It's at Rita, and the Mustangs will be highly motivated. Just too many unknowns, especially on the lines, for JCA. Also, I expect the Hilltoppers to play a bunch of underclassmen with their small Sr. class. We shall see.

These are very fine points. SR was the favorite last year, we all know what happened--that's why I am skeptical on JCA being an underdog here. Maybe in the end, it will be a pick'em game. I also believe JCA runs an offense that SR doesn't see to much. Is that true? JCA runs a double-T type offense, correct?
 

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If Rita gets the 5 wins with their schedule they are going to be dangerous in 5A....unless that 5-4 schedule pairs them up with ESL early, but they do have a lot of talent. Is the junior Brian Johnson going to be the QB? Very athletic kid, played line and RB at Christina with Justin Lynch being at QB, but I always thought if he hit the weights and put on some weight he would be a outstanding LB or DE, was surprised he wanted to be a QB.

I think he's going to see a lot of action along with the lefty QB. ESL will be avoided until the championship game for teams like SR-JCA-Bronco. I wouldn't be surprised (because it's back to this south/north crap) that Rita-Bronco meet up in Round 2 or 3.
 

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These are very fine points. SR was the favorite last year, we all know what happened--that's why I am skeptical on JCA being an underdog here. Maybe in the end, it will be a pick'em game. I also believe JCA runs an offense that SR doesn't see to much. Is that true? JCA runs a double-T type offense, correct?
Yes. Double-wing with variations off that.
 

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TL--you've been a very busy man as of late and are still able to provide specific and substantive info. Thanks very much. That Big Ten-sized lineman is definitely a must see; I believe he was showcased on Rita's twitter page in a short video clip just a few days ago. I agree about the attitude and TK is a great motivator as well. I am holding off on the predictions and will take it week-by-week.

I know there's a strong competition going on between the senior and junior QB's. If this position is solid (I believe both of them will see a lot of action) and the O-line performs to its capabilities, the offense will be very productive. I worry about the D-line. The Mustangs need to stop the run, so teams play into Rita's strength on defense--DB's and LB's.
To put that video in the right frame the player he is blocking was listed as 230 lbs on last year's roster.
 
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I think he's going to see a lot of action along with the lefty QB. ESL will be avoided until the championship game for teams like SR-JCA-Bronco. I wouldn't be surprised (because it's back to this south/north crap) that Rita-Bronco meet up in Round 2 or 3.


ESL is the 2nd largest school in 5A and could be bumped up to 6A come playoff time.
 

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I think he's going to see a lot of action along with the lefty QB. ESL will be avoided until the championship game for teams like SR-JCA-Bronco. I wouldn't be surprised (because it's back to this south/north crap) that Rita-Bronco meet up in Round 2 or 3.
JCA went south in 5A last year.
 

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ESL is the 2nd largest school in 5A and could be bumped up to 6A come playoff time.
The Southwest Conference (SWC) isn't getting enough heat for the 'ESTL Rule' which says no team can petition up. this has to be tactic to force the Flyers out (nobody else moving up) which most if not all of the SWC would like. The SWC isn't winning titles in multiple classes in the different sports, their basketball reign ended when Liddell left. So basically follow the SWC rules, join a new conference (nobody taking ESTL football), or become independent (most in-state would be hesitant to schedule unless a home game; more ESTL travel North or out of state will happen).
 
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The Southwest Conference (SWC) isn't getting enough heat for the 'ESTL Rule' which says no team can petition up. this has to be tactic to force the Flyers out (nobody else moving up) which most if not all of the SWC would like. The SWC isn't winning titles in multiple classes in the different sports, their basketball reign ended when Liddell left. So basically follow the SWC rules, join a new conference (nobody taking ESTL football), or become independent (most in-state would be hesitant to schedule unless a home game; more ESTL travel North or out of state will happen).

This rule isn't about kicking ESL out of the conference, it's about giving others schools an opportunity in 7A period. When ESL was removed from the 7A playoffs in 2010, Belleville East went to the semis and lost to WWS. In 8A, Edwardsville has had some nice runs with trips to the semis. The thought is with ESL not being in the bracket, SWC teams will react differently which will change their playoff results. There was also a concern last year that ESL Basketball team had planned to petition up to 4A. This is why the rule into affect immediately knowing football had to play 7A last year.
What sealed the deal was both ESL and West winning championships in Basketball proving their theory. In their mind, with ESL having a much smaller enrollment, the SWC can add more titles to the display case. Only time will tell if the theory is correct. As far as ESL football and the conference, E'ville, East, West, Alton and O'fallon is interested in playing ESL as a non District opponent.
 
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This rule isn't about kicking ESL out of the conference, it's about giving others schools an opportunity in 7A period. When ESL was removed from the 7A playoffs in 2010, Belleville East went to the semis and lost to WWS. In 8A, Edwardsville has had some nice runs with trips to the semis. The thought is with ESL not being in the bracket, SWC teams will react differently which will change their playoff results. There was also a concern last year that ESL Basketball team had planned to petition up to 4A. This is why the rule into affect immediately knowing football had to play 7A last year.
What sealed the deal was both ESL and West winning championships in Basketball proving their theory. In their mind, with ESL having a much smaller enrollment, the SWC can add more titles to the display case. Only time will tell if the theory is correct. As far as ESL football and the conference, E'ville, East, West, Alton and O'fallon is interested in playing ESL as a non District opponent.
SOLUTION: Claim one player lives out of the District. He pays out of district tuition. Become a multiplied school. Play in 7A. Win 7A. End of story and the ESL rule.
 

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This rule isn't about kicking ESL out of the conference, it's about giving others schools an opportunity in 7A period. When ESL was removed from the 7A playoffs in 2010, Belleville East went to the semis and lost to WWS. In 8A, Edwardsville has had some nice runs with trips to the semis. The thought is with ESL not being in the bracket, SWC teams will react differently which will change their playoff results. There was also a concern last year that ESL Basketball team had planned to petition up to 4A. This is why the rule into affect immediately knowing football had to play 7A last year.
What sealed the deal was both ESL and West winning championships in Basketball proving their theory. In their mind, with ESL having a much smaller enrollment, the SWC can add more titles to the display case. Only time will tell if the theory is correct. As far as ESL football and the conference, E'ville, East, West, Alton and O'fallon is interested in playing ESL as a non District opponent.
So the SWC thinks they are the SEC or something where all conference members benefit from BCS/College Football playoff type money with an IHSA title. Big class went to 1-32 so the likelyhood of SWC teams meeting in tound 2 became slimmer. I still call foul! If ESTL say we don't comply and petitions up to 6A/7A anyway a vote to remove them could come after a few years. Only EHS has a shot in football anually in big class. For hoops BW reign is over, maybe EHS stays consistent as an elite 8 program. in track ESTL rolls in 2A, while big schools from the SWC have struggled since EHS last team title. Non district play won't affect a team ability to make the playoffs if districts come so teams more willing to accept challenge (if districts happen)
 

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So the SWC thinks they are the SEC or something where all conference members benefit from BCS/College Football playoff type money with an IHSA title. Big class went to 1-32 so the likelyhood of SWC teams meeting in tound 2 became slimmer. I still call foul! If ESTL say we don't comply and petitions up to 6A/7A anyway a vote to remove them could come after a few years. Only EHS has a shot in football anually in big class. For hoops BW reign is over, maybe EHS stays consistent as an elite 8 program. in track ESTL rolls in 2A, while big schools from the SWC have struggled since EHS last team title. Non district play won't affect a team ability to make the playoffs if districts come so teams more willing to accept challenge (if districts happen)

Making the playoffs was only an issue for Granite City and Collinsville. Both have left the conference for football. For the last two years with 1-32 seeding, two SWC teams were put-on the same side of the bracket with the possibility of meeting up in the second or quarterfinal round.