Saw this posted over at RR. They seem a bit annoyed about who is #1...
http://thebiglead.com/2016/07/27/50-best-players-college-basketball-2016-2017/
http://thebiglead.com/2016/07/27/50-best-players-college-basketball-2016-2017/
Top 50 players for 2016-2017 season.
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I would have Grayson ahead of Harry and Jayson, personally. But If Giles and Tatum end up both having a bigger impact than a returning All-American, I'd say we'll have a pretty good season indeed!
I'd like to see a post season top 50 just to see how the season and the players season would effect this. It would be interesting to see who moved up or down, fell off the list or came unto the list. OFC
Grayson has certainly earned his status, so far, as a player. No doubt he's one of the premiere players in the country. I hope our freshman studs can live up to the expectations.
I'm sure Gary-7 is going to scream when he finds out that Joel Berry isn't the number one player (was he even on the list?). Meeks is now Air Meeks, so he should probably be either in 2nd or 3rd.
Of course, the end of the year list is the one that matters.
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I'm sure Gary-7 is going to scream when he finds out that Joel Berry isn't the number one player (was he even on the list?). Meeks is now Air Meeks, so he should probably be either in 2nd or 3rd.
Of course, the end of the year list is the one that matters.
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To be fair, Berry should absolutely be on that list. He's a really good PG- I think he was unfairly held down his freshman year. Last year they kind of gave him the keys but was still overshadowed by a less talented player in Paige. This will be his team this year and he'll be one of the top PGs in the nation for sure. He's better then Trimble and they have him listed as one of the top 20 players.
But enough about that- I'm pumped for this year's squad. We are so incredibly loaded and CTC can't come fast enough.
But enough about that- I'm pumped for this year's squad. We are so incredibly loaded and CTC can't come fast enough.
So we have 4 of the top 50 in #s 1, 5, 8 an 37 and one just missed in Bolden.
The holes have 1 in Jackson at number 12. You can bet your house that the know it all Gary is about to explode about Berry being left off the top 50.
I am somewhat surprised to see Big Luke Maye not make the list.
The holes have 1 in Jackson at number 12. You can bet your house that the know it all Gary is about to explode about Berry being left off the top 50.
I am somewhat surprised to see Big Luke Maye not make the list.
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It is strange Berry's not on the list. I mean, really....50 players better than him? Please.
Surprised Giles is at the top. That seems both odd and a little premature.
Surprised Giles is at the top. That seems both odd and a little premature.
Not saying these guys are the ultimate experts but maybe he really just is that crazy good if healthy.
This is just a list to get Duke haters stirred up. Josh Jackson is #1. There will be 10 or 15 guys that fall off that list after a month of play. It will be a great year for us, individual superlatives aside.
I agree. None of the freshman have proven anything and Berry should have been on it. OFC
The Berry issue has been addressed and yes he will be damn good for the Heels. Probably as important and good as Justin Jackson.
The Giles/Grayson/Tatum issue has been brought up. I think Harry is having unrealistic expectations set for him. He plays a position where Freshmen don't necessarily excel right away with a skill set that needs to be honed a bit. I understand the criteria used, but that metric just doesn't necessarily work, it's just good cannon fodder.
...Because...
Kris Jenkins should not be that low on the list. I know Arcidiacono was a very good player for Nova, but Jenkins was the guy for the defending champs.
And finally I don't agree one bit with the assessment that Tatum is a "tier below Brandon Ingram". Brandon turned out to be much better than a lot of us thought, myself included, but just wait until Jayson is unleashed and comfortable. He won't have a chip on his shoulder to try to prove his NBA worth (Justise), because he's already a top 3 prospect. He can help his team win, play his game and just enjoy his one year in college. Basically meaning I don't expect a freshman lull. He might have a bad game here or there but the guy is so consistent it's frightening. The kid is a stud and we're about to see it.
One good thing about lists like this, is that it gives you a chance to see what players are going to be studs and this coming season is a renaissance year in college basketball.
The Giles/Grayson/Tatum issue has been brought up. I think Harry is having unrealistic expectations set for him. He plays a position where Freshmen don't necessarily excel right away with a skill set that needs to be honed a bit. I understand the criteria used, but that metric just doesn't necessarily work, it's just good cannon fodder.
...Because...
Kris Jenkins should not be that low on the list. I know Arcidiacono was a very good player for Nova, but Jenkins was the guy for the defending champs.
And finally I don't agree one bit with the assessment that Tatum is a "tier below Brandon Ingram". Brandon turned out to be much better than a lot of us thought, myself included, but just wait until Jayson is unleashed and comfortable. He won't have a chip on his shoulder to try to prove his NBA worth (Justise), because he's already a top 3 prospect. He can help his team win, play his game and just enjoy his one year in college. Basically meaning I don't expect a freshman lull. He might have a bad game here or there but the guy is so consistent it's frightening. The kid is a stud and we're about to see it.
One good thing about lists like this, is that it gives you a chance to see what players are going to be studs and this coming season is a renaissance year in college basketball.
Absolutely with you on the Tatum being a tier below Ingram. I loved Ingram- he got started out slowly, but really turned it on and was consistently very very good. Tatum won't be asked to do as much as brandon was because there will be so much more help. I think this along with everything else you mentioned will add to the fact that he'll be as consistent as anyone in the country.
Giles is the real deal, when healthy. I'm not questioning that. But it's premature to anoint him as the #1 player in college basketball at this point, IMO.
Thank you. It's absurd that Berry isn't on the list. He's far more important to our team than Jackson. We have guys we could plug in on the wing. We do not have another guy to run the offense.
I think Berry could be the best PG in the country.
I agree with that DJ not only is it ridiculous to him, i think it's ridiculous to the other players that aren't coming off an injury. If it's a list of just talent, you'd give it to Jackson or Tatum. If it is experience and talent for who's the best in the College game? I think you can put Grayson ahead of him.
If Harry continues his rehab process as it is going now, he's going to have a big year. It might just take a little time. Luckily this is where having Bolden and Amile come in to play because we wont need Harry to log monster minutes from the go.
If Harry continues his rehab process as it is going now, he's going to have a big year. It might just take a little time. Luckily this is where having Bolden and Amile come in to play because we wont need Harry to log monster minutes from the go.
If it was a top 20 list then I could see Berry being omitted (even though he would be in my top 20) but that this list is top 50 and he's not on it is pretty ridiculous. It just seems like a glaring omission.
I like the optimism for Frank and having him on the list, but that he's on it and Berry isn't just doesn't seem right. About the only pleasure one can obtain from that list is the chance it makes the head of a UNC fan or two blow up. Then we all win.
I like the optimism for Frank and having him on the list, but that he's on it and Berry isn't just doesn't seem right. About the only pleasure one can obtain from that list is the chance it makes the head of a UNC fan or two blow up. Then we all win.
Yeah, it just looks like this list thing is more about 'potential'...just like we see when the NBA drafts.
I love great talent, but talent with experience is hard to beat. Grayson has proven his talent, and so have many others. Doubt this list holds up very well over the course of a season.
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I love great talent, but talent with experience is hard to beat. Grayson has proven his talent, and so have many others. Doubt this list holds up very well over the course of a season.
OFC
It definitely is premature if they haven't even played a game yet. Guess he is saying he believes he will by season's end. Which is still...yeah, I get it. Ha.
Plenty of elite OAD talented freshmen have gone onto AA seasons since the famed Barnes 1st Team pre-season AA honors.
Freshmen on the first 3 AP AA teams
Simmons (2nd)
Murray (3rd) -didn't even realize that
Jah (1st)
D'angelo Russell (1st)
Towns (2nd)
Jabari Parker (1st)
Andrew Wiggins (2nd)
Kyle Anderson (3rd)
Ben McElemore (2nd) although he was a RS Fr
Anthony Davis (1st)
Jared Sullinger (1st)
MKG (3rd)
Gunslinger we already knew you felt that way saying Berry could be the best PG in the country. All of you UNC homers think your players are always all world. Besides, Gary sent us an email already and told us.
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Kinda like Justin Jackson. Lol. They all thought he was their big OAD superstar coming in and now here he is as a junior....Yikes.
Don't you guys know that if Parker, Okafor, Winslow and Jones had chosen unc they would still be there. hof coach roy williams recruits OAD but they love him so much that they just gotta stay. OFC
I certainly didn't think he was OAD and would have been pretty disappointed had he been. But I bet he'll be a pretty good player for us this year along with 3 year Berry and 4 year Hicks. I'm pretty excited about the season. It's been fun watching those 3 guys grow in their skills and into their roles.
I don't recall many people, let alone UNC fans, proclaiming Justin Jackson as a one-and-done player. But I could be wrong.
UNC should have a nice veteran team. But so should we. Grayson, Matt and Amile compare favorably to UNC's trio, but it goes without saying I (and just about everybody else) like our young guys much better. While we hear a lot of how Duke's program is built around the one-and-done, the fact is that couldn't be further from the truth.
UNC should have a nice veteran team. But so should we. Grayson, Matt and Amile compare favorably to UNC's trio, but it goes without saying I (and just about everybody else) like our young guys much better. While we hear a lot of how Duke's program is built around the one-and-done, the fact is that couldn't be further from the truth.
Cmon man. We want you around to keep it fresh, but this doesnt cut it over here.
Quoted for truth. I can't quote someone and say "quoted for truth"? I agree with him. Why is that a bad thing?
There's another internet acronym meaning for qft that isn't so polite. Im guessing he thought that's what you were saying @gunslingerdick
Those 3 will make an excellent nucleus. And Meeks stands to have a good senior year too. And if Pinson improves his shot, the Heels will be a problem.