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Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
 

rocketnation

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East St Louis is the only team on your list I saw live last year, and they were very impressive.

I would probably have my top 3 as Mt Carmel, East St Louis, and Lincoln Way East.

Have you projected out as far as 11-20? Curious if any other downstate teams would be in your Top 20.
 
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Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
Unless you know something I don’t, Marist over Mt. Carmel is a head scratcher. And that isn’t a knock on Marist.
 
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Lockport will not be top 10. They've lost talent.
Also, until otherwise proven on the field, ESL is the top dog.
 
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Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
Elaborate on Marist being #1
And ESL being #4
 

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6A will be interesting with ESL, Naz and Batavia fighting it out.
All.... Not that they should be in the preseason top ten list at this early time but should the Hilltoppers with their overall schedule make the postseason even at 5-4 well you won't want to draw them in an early round game. They would likely be in the south bracket of 16. Chatham versus JCA in a first round playoff game anyone? 💀 Ratsy
 

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Elaborate on Marist being #1
And ESL being #4
Although
Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
Although I can see Marist with a legit Number #1 preseason ranking in two or three years, they're still rebuilding a bit and I don't see how they can be at the top this year.
 

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Everyone knows that MC next year is the best team ever assembled. 2 score favorite in every game. I heard they are randomly just going to attempt dropkicks just to keep it fun and interesting for the kids!
 

Alexander33

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Elaborate on Marist being #1
And ESL being #4
The list represents predicted end-of-season rankings. Marist may lose a game early in the year because, admittedly, they have several skill-position players to replace. However, in my humble opinion Mike Fitzgerald is the best football coach in the state. Others are certainly more accomplished. Fitzgerald has not won a single state championship. Still, he turns around programs faster and gets more production out of less talent better than any other coach.

Is Marist still building under Fitzgerald? No. That has already been done in one year. Marist was a better team than Mt. Carmel already by the end of last season. Consider, on October 25, 2024 (in the last game of the regular season) Loyola defeated Mt. Carmel soundly by a final score of 31 to 7. Two weeks later in the second round of the playoffs Loyola was pushed to the limit by Marist before defeating them 24 to 20. Mt. Carmel finished third in their Catholic League division and had 40+ points put up on them twice last year. Marist did not allow even 30 points to be scored against them in regulation last year. Mt. Carmel was 6-3 during the regular season. Marist, as a program, has already surpassed Mt. Carmel.

Marist has some players to replace, but the overall roster depth is extremely good and Fitzgerald will work his magic. Marist is my pick to win a state championship this fall.

As far as East St. Louis, they are my pick to repeat as the 6A champion. If, as some people are suggesting on this board, they are better than last year, then they will likely be the number one team in the state. However, they played at such an elite level last year that it is hard for me to believe they won't take a step or two backwards. I expect them to be very, very good, but not quite as good as the top three.
 

Alexander33

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East St Louis is the only team on your list I saw live last year, and they were very impressive.

I would probably have my top 3 as Mt Carmel, East St Louis, and Lincoln Way East.

Have you projected out as far as 11-20? Curious if any other downstate teams would be in your Top 20.
In years past I have provided preseason rankings that sort of melded the two concepts of best teams overall and best teams relative to class level. Consequently, there usually were several teams from outside the Chicago metropolitan area that made the list. This year I decided to just rank teams purely on overall ability. The result is that the list, whether top 10 or top 20, will be dominated by 8A and 7A teams.

At this point in time I have not expanded the list beyond the top 10. However, looking at the basic data I have generated, the only other team that might be a fringe top-20 team would be Normal Community High School. Chatham Glenwood should be a force in 6A this year but I would be hard pressed to consider them a top-20 team overall in the state. I have had a lot of respect for Rochester over the years, but have to admit last year's playoff loss shook my faith in them quite a bit. Overall, they are probably top 50, but I don't think they would compete effectively with the larger schools and better teams found in the Chicago area.

Using the method that was used in past years, where the absolute best and relative best were melded into a single ranking, here are the best teams outside the Chicago area.

1. East St. Louis
2. Normal Community
3. Chatham Glenwood
4. Rochester
5. Byron
6. Sacred Heart - Griffin
7. Lena-Winslow
8. Sterling Newman Central Catholic
9. Washington
10. Hononegah

As you can see, it seems that "relative to class level" has been emphasized in this list.

On a personal note, it is good to see you back contributing to this message board. I enjoy reading your written commentary on the various topics... especially the Central State Eight Conference.
 

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In years past I have provided preseason rankings that sort of melded the two concepts of best teams overall and best teams relative to class level. Consequently, there usually were several teams from outside the Chicago metropolitan area that made the list. This year I decided to just rank teams purely on overall ability. The result is that the list, whether top 10 or top 20, will be dominated by 8A and 7A teams.

At this point in time I have not expanded the list beyond the top 10. However, looking at the basic data I have generated, the only other team that might be a fringe top-20 team would be Normal Community High School. Chatham Glenwood should be a force in 6A this year but I would be hard pressed to consider them a top-20 team overall in the state. I have had a lot of respect for Rochester over the years, but have to admit last year's playoff loss shook my faith in them quite a bit. Overall, they are probably top 50, but I don't think they would compete effectively with the larger schools and better teams found in the Chicago area.

Using the method that was used in past years, where the absolute best and relative best were melded into a single ranking, here are the best teams outside the Chicago area.

1. East St. Louis
2. Normal Community
3. Chatham Glenwood
4. Rochester
5. Byron
6. Sacred Heart - Griffin
7. Lena-Winslow
8. Sterling Newman Central Catholic
9. Washington
10. Hononegah

As you can see, it seems that "relative to class level" has been emphasized in this list.

On a personal note, it is good to see you back contributing to this message board. I enjoy reading your written commentary on the various topics... especially the Central State Eight Conference.
Thanks, much appreciated.

A Downstate only list (No Cook or Collar County programs) might also include Edwardsville, Peoria, Morris, Sycamore, Kankakee, and Mt Zion.

I've argued previously that even Rochester's best championship teams would have struggled to be competitive with high level 7A and 8A teams.
There were weird elements to the '21 game against Loyola, but the game also showed significant differences in size, speed, and depth.

Rochester is scheduled to play Batavia in '26 and '27. In both years, the Rocket senior classes will be very talented. We'll have to see, though, how that translates against a perennial 6A-7A power.
 
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The list represents predicted end-of-season rankings. Marist may lose a game early in the year because, admittedly, they have several skill-position players to replace. However, in my humble opinion Mike Fitzgerald is the best football coach in the state. Others are certainly more accomplished. Fitzgerald has not won a single state championship. Still, he turns around programs faster and gets more production out of less talent better than any other coach.

Is Marist still building under Fitzgerald? No. That has already been done in one year. Marist was a better team than Mt. Carmel already by the end of last season. Consider, on October 25, 2024 (in the last game of the regular season) Loyola defeated Mt. Carmel soundly by a final score of 31 to 7. Two weeks later in the second round of the playoffs Loyola was pushed to the limit by Marist before defeating them 24 to 20. Mt. Carmel finished third in their Catholic League division and had 40+ points put up on them twice last year. Marist did not allow even 30 points to be scored against them in regulation last year. Mt. Carmel was 6-3 during the regular season. Marist, as a program, has already surpassed Mt. Carmel.

Marist has some players to replace, but the overall roster depth is extremely good and Fitzgerald will work his magic. Marist is my pick to win a state championship this fall.

As far as East St. Louis, they are my pick to repeat as the 6A champion. If, as some people are suggesting on this board, they are better than last year, then they will likely be the number one team in the state. However, they played at such an elite level last year that it is hard for me to believe they won't take a step or two backwards. I expect them to be very, very good, but not quite as good as the top three.
On what planet has Marist surpassed MC? That is crazy talk!
 

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The list represents predicted end-of-season rankings. Marist may lose a game early in the year because, admittedly, they have several skill-position players to replace. However, in my humble opinion Mike Fitzgerald is the best football coach in the state. Others are certainly more accomplished. Fitzgerald has not won a single state championship. Still, he turns around programs faster and gets more production out of less talent better than any other coach.

Is Marist still building under Fitzgerald? No. That has already been done in one year. Marist was a better team than Mt. Carmel already by the end of last season. Consider, on October 25, 2024 (in the last game of the regular season) Loyola defeated Mt. Carmel soundly by a final score of 31 to 7. Two weeks later in the second round of the playoffs Loyola was pushed to the limit by Marist before defeating them 24 to 20. Mt. Carmel finished third in their Catholic League division and had 40+ points put up on them twice last year. Marist did not allow even 30 points to be scored against them in regulation last year. Mt. Carmel was 6-3 during the regular season. Marist, as a program, has already surpassed Mt. Carmel.

Marist has some players to replace, but the overall roster depth is extremely good and Fitzgerald will work his magic. Marist is my pick to win a state championship this fall.

As far as East St. Louis, they are my pick to repeat as the 6A champion. If, as some people are suggesting on this board, they are better than last year, then they will likely be the number one team in the state. However, they played at such an elite level last year that it is hard for me to believe they won't take a step or two backwards. I expect them to be very, very good, but not quite as good as the top three.
I understand a reasonable amount of homer-ism from a fan. But the two claims you made here (Fitz is the best coach in the state and Marist had passed MC) is borderline insane. There's no rationale argument to be made for those two statements.
 

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I understand a reasonable amount of homer-ism from a fan. But the two claims you made here (Fitz is the best coach in the state and Marist had passed MC) is borderline insane. There's no rationale argument to be made for those two statements.
I'm not sure why you think I'm displaying "homer-ism". I have no affiliation with Marist whatsoever and have never even visited the school a single time.

My prediction may prove to be wrong. That sometimes happens with predictions. I also acknowledge that my first statement was an expression of my opinion and I offered no supporting evidence.

However, your statement that there is no rational argument to be made for thinking Marist is a better team (and currently program) than Mt. Carmel is not logical. My entire second paragraph presents a rational argument supporting that opinion. It is based on three facts; which are 1) a considerably more competitive game against Loyola, 2) a better record last year, and 3) giving up fewer points last year on defense. Those three items are facts, and a rational argument can be made based on them. Your view that "no rational argument" can be made in support of my second opinion is an illogical overstatement.

My second opinion may prove to be wrong. Certainly any number of counter arguments might be made that are better (not that you have offered any), but to say that NO rational argument exists supporting the opinion is provably untrue.
 

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I'm not sure why you think I'm displaying "homer-ism". I have no affiliation with Marist whatsoever and have never even visited the school a single time.

My prediction may prove to be wrong. That sometimes happens with predictions. I also acknowledge that my first statement was an expression of my opinion and I offered no supporting evidence.

However, your statement that there is no rational argument to be made for thinking Marist is a better team (and currently program) than Mt. Carmel is not logical. My entire second paragraph presents a rational argument supporting that opinion. It is based on three facts; which are 1) a considerably more competitive game against Loyola, 2) a better record last year, and 3) giving up fewer points last year on defense. Those three items are facts, and a rational argument can be made based on them. Your view that "no rational argument" can be made in support of my second opinion is an illogical overstatement.

My second opinion may prove to be wrong. Certainly any number of counter arguments might be made that are better (not that you have offered any), but to say that NO rational argument exists supporting the opinion is provably untrue.
Marist surpassing MC as a program because of one game last season is crazy. I don't believe that to be a rationale argument. Fitz playing (and losing) more competively to LA than MC does not make him the best coach in the state. I don't believe that to be a rational argument.
 

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All.... Not that they should be in the preseason top ten list at this early time but should the Hilltoppers with their overall schedule make the postseason even at 5-4 well you won't want to draw them in an early round game. They would likely be in the south bracket of 16. Chatham versus JCA in a first round playoff game anyone? 💀 Ratsy
That is gonna be a tall order with their schedule. They very well might start off 0-5 and still have to play MC. Playing 4 ranked 8A teams is not a good formula for success for a 5A team that only returns a handful of starters.
 
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Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
Testing...say what now?
 
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Thanks, much appreciated.

A Downstate only list (No Cook or Collar County programs) might also include Edwardsville, Peoria, Morris, Sycamore, Kankakee, and Mt Zion.

I've argued previously that even Rochester's best championship teams would have struggled to be competitive with high level 7A and 8A teams.
There were weird elements to the '21 game against Loyola, but the game also showed significant differences in size, speed, and depth.

Rochester is scheduled to play Batavia in '26 and '27. In both years, the Rocket senior classes will be very talented. We'll have to see, though, how that translates against a perennial 6A-7A power.
I like the fact that the Rockets are willing to play up against tougher competition... But playing and winning against better competition is very different. Batavia is rock solid and have been for a millenium so the Rockets will be licking their wounds. A loss to the Bulldogs is a win as well. You can NOT replicate talent like Batavia in practice or against other CS8 teams. Chatham is close to that but the key word is "close!" In the end the Rockets will benefit from playing against Batavia! One could say that Rochester is the Boise St of Illinois football. They will play anyone anywhere...
 
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I'm not sure why you think I'm displaying "homer-ism". I have no affiliation with Marist whatsoever and have never even visited the school a single time.

My prediction may prove to be wrong. That sometimes happens with predictions. I also acknowledge that my first statement was an expression of my opinion and I offered no supporting evidence.

However, your statement that there is no rational argument to be made for thinking Marist is a better team (and currently program) than Mt. Carmel is not logical. My entire second paragraph presents a rational argument supporting that opinion. It is based on three facts; which are 1) a considerably more competitive game against Loyola, 2) a better record last year, and 3) giving up fewer points last year on defense. Those three items are facts, and a rational argument can be made based on them. Your view that "no rational argument" can be made in support of my second opinion is an illogical overstatement.

My second opinion may prove to be wrong. Certainly any number of counter arguments might be made that are better (not that you have offered any), but to say that NO rational argument exists supporting the opinion is provably untrue.
I think you are not looking at the games correctly. Do you think LA wasn't stoked to play Mt. Carmel? Yes they were. Now do you think these young boys from LA saw Marist as just a bump in the road towards their goal??? 99% of players who beat Mt Carmel would have look past Marist. Its common. Had Mt Carmel defeated LA or played a tighter game I believe the LA players would've received a clear, loudly stated lecture from their coaches warning of a let down. Obviously, LA overlooked Marist.

What did Northern Illinois do after defeating Notre Dame? Did they win the national championship? Did they make the playoffs? Did they even win their next game? No they lost to Buffalo!

The only way for you to substantiate Marist being a better program is for them to play and defeat Mt. Carmel. Marist went 4-5 in 2023 and 9-2 in 2024 whereas Mt Carmel went 13-1 in 23 and 11-3 in 24, all the while, winning 3 straight state championships. What has Marist done?
 
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I like the fact that the Rockets are willing to play up against tougher competition... But playing and winning against better competition is very different. Batavia is rock solid and have been for a millenium so the Rockets will be licking their wounds. A loss to the Bulldogs is a win as well. You can NOT replicate talent like Batavia in practice or against other CS8 teams. Chatham is close to that but the key word is "close!" In the end the Rockets will benefit from playing against Batavia! One could say that Rochester is the Boise St of Illinois football. They will play anyone anywhere...
It will be a challenge to say the least, one which I'm happy to wait until next season to think about.
 

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That is gonna be a tall order with their schedule. They very well might start off 0-5 and still have to play MC. Playing 4 ranked 8A teams is not a good formula for success for a 5A team that only returns a handful of starters.
Is this the First ever meeting, Hilltoppers vs Hilltoppers? I don't remember playing them before, but my memory is not the greatest.

I wish we were starting out this schedule with a team with more returning players. It could be a very rough year for JCA.
 
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Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
You normally did OK with your pre-season top 10 but c'mon here.....Marist? They benefited from Ritter transferring from LWE add a strong D-Line. All have graduated. I didn't read every comment but what's your reasoning behind this? The Coach? Outside of their OT I haven't haven't read about many of their players....maybe top 15.
 
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I am new here and have a few observations from this thread

1 Last year Loyola beat the 1st & 2nd string QB’s from LWE in consecutive weeks

2 Marist has never beat MC in football… even when on paper they were supposed to
 
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Just in case old threads do not make the transition to this new site, I will repost my predictions for the top ten teams at the end of the 2025 season. This list was originally posted on May 1, 2025.

1. Marist
2. Mt. Carmel
3. Lincoln-Way East
4. East St. Louis
5. Loyola
6. Glenbard West
7. Batavia
8. Nazareth
9. Maine South
10. Lockport
All... If past content doesn't arrive back here is the Massey preseason (top 20) on the dedicated subject thread I posted a couple of months ago. I had Calpreps as well but they are now a pay site only. The latest. Ratsy

Massey -

1. Loyola
2. Mt. Carmel
3. ESTL
4. LWE
5. Brother Rice
6. Marist
7. JCA
8. Batavia
9. St. Rita
10. York
11. DGN
12. Nazareth
13. Maine South
14. Lyons
15. Naperville Central
16. Fenwick
17. Geneva
18. Glenbard West
19. Cary Grove
20. St. Charles North
 
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All... If past content doesn't arrive back here is the Massey preseason (top 20) on the dedicated subject thread I posted a couple of months ago. I had Calpreps as well but they are now a pay site only. The latest. Ratsy

Massey -

1. Loyola
2. Mt. Carmel
3. ESTL
4. LWE
5. Brother Rice
6. Marist
7. JCA
8. Batavia
9. St. Rita
10. York
11. DGN
12. Nazareth
13. Maine South
14. Lyons
15. Naperville Central
16. Fenwick
17. Geneva
18. Glenbard West
19. Cary Grove
20. St. Charles North
Cary Grove is a bit low!~