Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?

[TheWizardofCamelot]

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production?

What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments.

He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies.

Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass.

I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

 

[Bison13]

His mechanics are still hit and miss . He doesn’t step into a lot of those deep throws like he should. I think that also leads to him being behind some of the guys on the slant or crossing routes. If he got his hips into the throw a little more, that would be an extra couple miles an hour, which would then hit the guys in stride

 

[royboy]

He can do it. He's got the physical tools, he'll get good enough protection, and he now has legitimate WRs. Allar came close to being in the National Championship game last season (though certainly some of his late errors prevented that).

He can do it, but we don't know if he WILL do it. Part of sports.

 

[KingLando]

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production?

What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments.

He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies.

Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass.

I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

Did you miss the perfectly thrown deep ball for a TD in tight coverage yesterday?

This is all being overly critical because of him being a 5* QB. He's one of the best, if not the best, in college football.

But we should be pounding the ball...30-40 runs a game. Both backs need 15+ carries. That's not because of Allar. That's how you control the game with an elite D

 

[MtNittany]

"If you sing it perfect, they want to hear it that way every time"

Glen Campbell deep into ALZ on tour after missing a lyric.

Drew's gonna have his opportunities. I think these first 3 games are just an extension of fall practice, trying to get everyone on the same page and to prepare for anything and everything that is to come.

I'm happy he's my QB.

 

[JoeLion]

The Ducks look like a really all around good team. How he preforms in that game will tell us a lot.

 

[Big_O]

At times his accuracy is amazing. Other times he misses an easy throw like the one to Singleton out of the backfield that likely would have been a long gainer. He was slapping himself on the helmet after that one. He needs to improve his consistency. At least it seems he is going more through his progressions compared to the previous two years l

 

[MtNittany]

The Ducks look like a really all around good team. How he preforms in that game will tell us a lot.

The running game will have to be top notch to beat the Ducks. Drew will have to make some big plays for sure, but we will need to run the ball against them and keep their skill players off the field.

 

[MtNittany]

At times his accuracy is amazing. Other times he misses an easy throw like the one to Singleton out of the backfield that likely would have been a long gainer. He was slapping himself on the helmet after that one. He needs to improve his consistency. At least it seems he is going more through his progressions compared to the previous two years l

His best throw week 1 was an incompletion.

 

[LMTLION]

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

 

[LMTLION]

His mechanics are still hit and miss . He doesn’t step into a lot of those deep throws like he should. I think that also leads to him being behind some of the guys on the slant or crossing routes. If he got his hips into the throw a little more, that would be an extra couple miles an hour, which would then hit the guys in stride

Being at the game yesterday I really noticed how horrible his mechanics can be. Like you said, the mechanics change with almost every throw. He often throws off his back foot, relying on his arm strength instead of really stepping into his throws.

 

[sdwcpa]

Did you miss the perfectly thrown deep ball for a TD in tight coverage yesterday?

This is all being overly critical because of him being a 5* QB. He's one of the best, if not the best, in college football.

But we should be pounding the ball...30-40 runs a game. Both backs need 15+ carries. That's not because of Allar. That's how you control the game with an elite D

Overcritical? Perhaps. But until he does it in a big game he deserves some criticism. As the above poster said probably his best game was at USC against what turned out to be a mid level B10 team.

To say that he is the best or one of the best QBs in the country may eventually be true but until he proves it against an elite team that is fools gold.

Granted it was against Grambling but I really liked the ball that Julian Sayin was throwing yesterday. I was also very impressed with the Oklahoma QB last night against far better competition than Aller has faced so far, If I thought hard i could probably come up with a few other QBs that I would rather have right now than Aller. Hopefully he proves me wrong on Sept 29.

 

[KingLando]

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

Overcritical? Perhaps. But until he does it in a big game he deserves some criticism. As the above poster said probably his best game was at USC against what turned out to be a mid level B10 team.

To say that he is the best or one of the best QBs in the country may eventually be true but until he proves it against an elite team that is fools gold.

Granted it was against Grambling but I really liked the ball that Julian Sayin was throwing yesterday. I was also very impressed with the Oklahoma QB last night against far better competition than Aller has faced so far, If I thought hard i could probably come up with a few other QBs that I would rather have right now than Aller. Hopefully he proves me wrong on Sept 29.

Did you watch the Oregon game last year?
He's proven it. Over and over again.
The problem here is people like LMT would rather root for an underdog like Beau then accepting a 5* kid won't ever be perfect. No QB is.
Against Texas people were saying Sayin (sorry) was garbage and could only manage games.
At the end of the day QBs like Allar can win a title. Beau, like Trace, were capable of that so as long as you set unreasonable expectations for him you'll continue to be overly critical.
Against elite defenses he's going to make mistake. Every QB does. Accepting that is key. Not even Brady or Manning were perfect.

 

[MtNittany]

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

A right handed Zack Mills?

 

[BobPSU92]

Nope. Franklin needs to get a QB before the trade deadline.

 

[sdwcpa]

Did you watch the Oregon game last year?
He's proven it. Over and over again.
The problem here is people like LMT would rather root for an underdog like Beau then accepting a 5* kid won't ever be perfect. No QB is.
Against Texas people were saying Sayin (sorry) was garbage and could only manage games.
At the end of the day QBs like Allar can win a title. Beau, like Trace, were capable of that so as long as you set unreasonable expectations for him you'll continue to be overly critical.
Against elite defenses he's going to make mistake. Every QB does. Accepting that is key. Not even Brady or Manning were perfect.

Texas was the number 1 team in the country even if they were over rated . It was his first start. He was only charged with managing the game which he did quite well. Aller is in his 4th season. The Oregon game was still a loss. I would like to know where the " over and over" comes from especially when it comes to elite competition.

 

[KingLando]

Texas was the number 1 team in the country even if they were over rated . It was his first start. He was only charged with managing the game which he did quite well. Aller is in his 4th season. The Oregon game was still a loss. I would like to know where the " over and over" comes from especially when it comes to elite competition.

So now a QB can't play well in a loss and what you do against great defenses only matters if your name is Allar which you continually spell incorrectly

 

[Ludd]

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production?

What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments.

He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies.

Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass.

I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

He had better numbers in his junior year than Kerry Collins did in his senior year, but we were all okay with Collins. And talk about bad mechanics, Collins had worse mechanics than Allar. I don’t think it’s Allar, I think it’s the expectations of Allar that are the problem.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Did you miss the perfectly thrown deep ball for a TD in tight coverage yesterday?

This is all being overly critical because of him being a 5* QB. He's one of the best, if not the best, in college football.

But we should be pounding the ball...30-40 runs a game. Both backs need 15+ carries. That's not because of Allar. That's how you control the game with an elite D

Perfectly thrown? He was way late in throwing that ball. Ross had his man beat by a mile, but had to wait for the ball because it was late and underthrown. Ross bailed that throw out.

 

[Ludd]

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

It’s always smart to base a decision on one game vs three years….yeah, brilliant. And every coach in the country would take Allar over Pribula, but you know more than them.

 

[Chris92]

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production?

What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments.

He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies.

Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass.

I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

He's stuck in a system that's looking for explosive plays, rather than one that leans into their true identity. The current personnel is built to win with a ground and pound, win with defense mentality. Put Allar under center and run some old school play action. The transfer WRs are certainly an upgrade, but we're going to continue to struggle being successful throwing the ball in obvious passing situations and against top shelf defenses(tOSU).

Hopefully, AK is using these three games as scrimmages rather than revealing the true offensive game plan for this team.

 

[KingLando]

Perfectly thrown? He was way late in throwing that ball. Ross had his man beat by a mile, but had to wait for the ball because it was late and underthrown. Ross bailed that throw out.

1-He didn't beat his man let alone by a mile
2-We've gone over this--all QBs are told to slightly underthrow the ball because, worst case, it's a DPI.

It was perfectly throw and the timing was accurate

 

[WaffleShopper]

I’m not trying to convince the unconvincible so this is for everyone else. See below for all of Drew’s highlights from the Oregon title game. His supposed best performance and his footwork was still horrible on the majority of his throws. Stepping to the side, falling away, hopping, feet off the ground, hips not square, etc. The more pressure there is the worse his mechanics are. His incredible arm talent often bails him out, but it takes more than just that to be elite.

My “expectation” was that after 4 years of drills and practices and offseason work he would eventually figure it out. He hasn’t. Weeks 1 and 2 this year have been exactly the same as previous years. When he’s “on” and his footwork is good he’s the best QB in college. Unfortunately, that doesn’t happen often. I love Drew and will enjoy watching him finish his college career, but at this point it would take a miracle for him to win a championship.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

At times his accuracy is amazing. Other times he misses an easy throw like the one to Singleton out of the backfield that likely would have been a long gainer. He was slapping himself on the helmet after that one. He needs to improve his consistency. At least it seems he is going more through his progressions compared to the previous two years l

That’s the thing about the word accuracy, if you’re not accurate 99% of the time you’re not accurate.

 

[Calabrin]

Did you watch the Oregon game last year?
He's proven it. Over and over again.
The problem here is people like LMT would rather root for an underdog like Beau then accepting a 5* kid won't ever be perfect. No QB is.
Against Texas people were saying Sayin (sorry) was garbage and could only manage games.
At the end of the day QBs like Allar can win a title. Beau, like Trace, were capable of that so as long as you set unreasonable expectations for him you'll continue to be overly critical.
Against elite defenses he's going to make mistake. Every QB does. Accepting that is key. Not even Brady or Manning were perfect.

Drew had a 50% completion percentage in that game and threw two picks.

Beau has turned in two rock solid performances this year, so far (including a comeback victory yesterday), while Drew just struggled against a JV team.

At a minimum, there is reason to be concerned.

 

[KingLando]

I’m not trying to convince the unconvincible so this is for everyone else. See below for all of Drew’s highlights from the Oregon title game. His supposed best performance and his footwork was still horrible on the majority of his throws. Stepping to the side, falling away, hopping, feet off the ground, hips not square, etc. The more pressure there is the worse his mechanics are. His incredible arm talent often bails him out, but it takes more than just that to be elite.

My “expectation” was that after 4 years of drills and practices and offseason work he would eventually figure it out. He hasn’t. Weeks 1 and 2 this year have been exactly the same as previous years. When he’s “on” and his footwork is good he’s the best QB in college. Unfortunately, that doesn’t happen often. I love Drew and will enjoy watching him finish his college career, but at this point it would take a miracle for him to win a championship.

You dont "love Drew" as your inaccurate criticism proves. Watch some NFL games today and see the same footwork. Start with Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. Rewatch Mahomes on Friday night and you'll consistently see him throw with these same mechanics.

It will take a miracle for him to win after reaching the semis last year without a WR. Adorable.

 

[KingLando]

Drew had a 50% completion percentage in that game and threw two picks.

Beau has turned in two rock solid performances this year, so far (including a comeback victory yesterday), while Drew just struggled against a JV team.

At a minimum, there is reason to be concerned.

You need to rewatch the Oregon game
Mizzou hasn't played anyone yet and somehow you're comparing Drew against top competition to Beau with guys running wide open
There's zero concern...and he didn't struggle yesterday. Based on your comments there isn't a good QB in college football aside from Beau apparently.

 

[Calabrin]

I’m not trying to convince the unconvincible so this is for everyone else. See below for all of Drew’s highlights from the Oregon title game. His supposed best performance and his footwork was still horrible on the majority of his throws. Stepping to the side, falling away, hopping, feet off the ground, hips not square, etc. The more pressure there is the worse his mechanics are. His incredible arm talent often bails him out, but it takes more than just that to be elite.

My “expectation” was that after 4 years of drills and practices and offseason work he would eventually figure it out. He hasn’t. Weeks 1 and 2 this year have been exactly the same as previous years. When he’s “on” and his footwork is good he’s the best QB in college. Unfortunately, that doesn’t happen often. I love Drew and will enjoy watching him finish his college career, but at this point it would take a miracle for him to win a championship.

Yep. This summarizes his problem pretty well: he lacks poise.

When the pressure comes, his mechanics absolutely fall apart. This has been an ongoing issue throughout his career, and it's why he never delivers against tough opponents.

Oregon reloaded this year, and unless Penn State addresses some glaring concerns over the next two weeks, we're in line to be embarrassed.

 

[KingLando]

That’s the thing about the word accuracy, if you’re not accurate 99% of the time you’re not accurate.

So no one is accurate?

 

[KingLando]

Yep. This summarizes his problem pretty well: he lacks poise.

When the pressure comes, his mechanics absolutely fall apart. This has been an ongoing issue throughout his career, and it's why he never delivers against tough opponents.

Oregon reloaded this year, and unless Penn State addresses some glaring concerns over the next two weeks, we're in line to be embarrassed.

Lol he doesn't lack poise
You all need to watch more football

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

So no one is accurate?

My money guy is accurate.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

So no one is accurate?

another missed nuance

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

You dont "love Drew" as your inaccurate criticism proves. Watch some NFL games today and see the same footwork. Start with Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. Rewatch Mahomes on Friday night and you'll consistently see him throw with these same mechanics.

It will take a miracle for him to win after reaching the semis last year without a WR. Adorable.

Say 15 and Josh in the same sentence one more time damm bro

 

[Calabrin]

You need to rewatch the Oregon game
Mizzou hasn't played anyone yet and somehow you're comparing Drew against top competition to Beau with guys running wide open
There's zero concern...and he didn't struggle yesterday. Based on your comments there isn't a good QB in college football aside from Beau apparently.

No, I'm comparing Beau in the two games he's started this year to Drew and the two games he's started this year.

Kansas is better than either of the teams we have played, and Beau just had a great game against them. Drew had a middling game against a wet paper bag.

As I said: there is ample reason for concern at this point in time.

 

[The real m.knox]

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

I wouldn't take Pribula over Allar. Allar beat Beau out fairly and squarely IMO. That said, Trace McSorely did have moxy, and lots of it. Not sure about Beau as we really haven't seen him play too much, but yesterday was a heck of a game.

Don't know if you recall the 2018 OSU game - white out. Last play PSU hands off to Sanders who gets dropped for a loss. I still wonder why they didn't put it the hands of McSorely.

 

[KingLando]

No, I'm comparing Beau in the two games he's started this year to Drew and the two games he's started this year.

Kansas is better than either of the teams we have played, and Beau just had a great game against them. Drew had a middling game against a wet paper bag.

As I said: there is ample reason for concern at this point in time.

Kansas is better based on what?
So Clemson, LSU and Georgia all are worried about their QBs right now?
Beau doesn't have to ability to win a title. Drew does. End of story. Sorry you like the underdog story over talent.
There's no reason for concern.

 

[Nits1989]

Beau is a good QB. He’s got a lot of reasons to go 100% in every game. PSU has little to gain by going 100% in these early games. The scenarios are 180 degrees different.

 

[Calabrin]

Kansas is better based on what?
So Clemson, LSU and Georgia all are worried about their QBs right now?
Beau doesn't have to ability to win a title. Drew does. End of story. Sorry you like the underdog story over talent.
There's no reason for concern.

Wait, so Drew gets credit for the other players on his team being good?

Does Mike Trout suck because he's never been on a good team?

 

[2kSay]

Perfectly thrown? He was way late in throwing that ball. Ross had his man beat by a mile, but had to wait for the ball because it was late and underthrown. Ross bailed that throw out.

I mean it’s about time a WR helps him out.
People get on his accuracy but he looked real accurate and poised whenever he threw to the only reliable pass catcher he’s ever had in Warren. He trusted Warren so he just let it fly, and wasn’t aiming it and trying to make the perfect pass because he doesn’t trust his WR’s.

 

[psu83]

Wait, so Drew gets credit for the other players on his team being good?

Does Mike Trout suck because he's never been on a good team?

Who cares about Mike Trout? What does he have to do with whether Allar is a good quarterback or not?