Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?
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Either the QB coaching is faulty or he cannot put what he is taught into action. His mechanics are inconsistent and he still seems a bit slow in decision making
Label me still concerned about him stepping up in the big stage games. At this stage as a three year starter, much better than average QB but not elite.
In what way did Franklin ruin him? It’s not like he asked him to be a wishbone qb. They’ve run a pro style offense for him and, except for the two OSU games, the Michigan game, and the ND game, it’s mostly been successful; PSU is 25-6 with Allar at qb with a Final Four game.Franklin ruined Allar.
I believe that at this stage in his career, we’ve basically seen what Allar is and will be; in almost every game, in one quarter he looks like a first round draft pick, and in the next quarter he struggles to even complete the most rudimentary pass. In yesterday’s game, predictably, he lost his mechanics and you could see because his passes weren’t spirals, like the overthrow to Dinkins. I just can’t see him leading this team any farther that we went last season, which doesn’t mean that we won’t beat Oregon. However, I have almost no hope of winning in Columbus with Allar.
No one is expecting perfect, what we're expecting is performance in critical situations against elite competition. He hasn't proven he can do that.
At this point in his career, I’d have to say that it’s the latter; I just don’t know whether he’s capable of manipulating a defense and making quick reads. Yes, he may do these things sometimes, but not enough. With that said, I still think that he’s a good player but not a special one. I wish that Clifford’s moxie could be transferred into Allar’s body.
No, Collins performed in the clutch despite funky mechanics. Allars combination of bad mechanics and mental lapses/emotional overload against the best teams continue to converge resulting in mistakes that cost the "W". I'm pulling for him and certainly want him to excel when the pressure is on against the best abd if/when he does, it lifts the team. He is a Captain. His play and demeanor either builds or tears down team confidence.
which is wild for a senior QB whose started over 30 games and has had a high-end QB coach (so i'm constantly told) since HS...the dudes just inconsistent at his core...
I did see Allar under center at least 3 times yesterday and thought he looked good. He also looked good on the roll out.
You telling me they can just flip the switch and turn it on? Really? Oh btw Oregon now #1 ranking in FPI. They better strap it up for real enough of playing to their level. In a couple of weeks we are going to find out what this team and coaching is made of
I struggle to come up with a description of what I see as an issue of Allar's. I've decided upon "lack of emotional maturity". He pouts after a bad play and wears it on his sleeve. He's still grieving over the game ending pick against ND. He needs to put all that noise behind him and rid himself of fear of failure
I think we'll find them to be a lot mentally tougher than our fans seem to be.
I hope so, at least.
I don’t know if he ruined him, but it certainly didn’t help in 2023 when Franklin beat it into his head to never turn the ball over. That year Drew’s yards per attempt was terrible and he almost never took a chance to let his receivers make a play (other than Warren) and even less often was he a playmaker himself.
We had fewer turnovers that year because of Franklin’s obsession with that stat but any swagger Drew had was pretty much destroyed. IMO Franklin turned the biggest arm in the country into a game manager that year and he’s never really recovered. 25 TDs and 2 INTs could have been 40 and 8 and we wouldn’t have lost any more games that year and it would have been better for Drew long term.
I still think Drew is a top 10 QB (and top 3-5 in the draft) but sadly he never reached his full potential in college.
Yes, they can just switch it on, that’s what athletes do. They get up for big games in front of huge crowds. Lucky for Oregon that we’re not #1, so they don’t have to strap it up against us…should be a walk in the park for them and I’m sure they’re taking it that way.
I just remember Franklin mentioning it about 10 times in every press conference and bringing it up every time some asked about Drew.
In all likelihood, Allar will be a early pick in the NFL draft next year - and make gazillions of $ (and already rakes in a giant pile of $) - so he doesn't need anyone feeling sorry for him.
But I do have some empathy for the situation he is in.
Allar 2023 = Allar 2024 = Allar 2025 (so far): the only significant difference being that he played against some much tougher defenses in 2023.
And a lot of folks expect more (including, probably, himself).
But on this staff - the most expensive coaching staff in the history of college football, literally - the development of the single most impactful position on the team is left to Danny O'Brien? Seriously? When you look around the nation at QB play - and where they are consistently developed from Grade C to Grade B to Grade A, you almost always see the presence of an experienced, successful QB mentor.
Maybe he will find the magic sauce, and become the college QB that so many want him to be - but at this stage is it not highly likely (though certainly not impossible)
But I do have some empathy for the situation he is in.
Allar 2023 = Allar 2024 = Allar 2025 (so far): the only significant difference being that he played against some much tougher defenses in 2023.
And a lot of folks expect more (including, probably, himself).
But on this staff - the most expensive coaching staff in the history of college football, literally - the development of the single most impactful position on the team is left to Danny O'Brien? Seriously? When you look around the nation at QB play - and where they are consistently developed from Grade C to Grade B to Grade A, you almost always see the presence of an experienced, successful QB mentor.
Maybe he will find the magic sauce, and become the college QB that so many want him to be - but at this stage is it not highly likely (though certainly not impossible)
Shocker: you don't understand validity and soundness.
I totally didn't guess that at all.
"You aren't you--"
Fails again at remedial English.
I finished your sentence. But your head is so far up your own *** you didn't read it. I'm so sorry. You lose.
Yeah, I think a lot of people have been pondering this. I don't know that it comes down to emotional maturity, or if it's a failure of the coaches to properly develop his talent, or if it's just that Drew's ceiling was overestimated (which happens all the time).
I can't imagine that anyone is rooting against him. Why would that be the case? Of course we all want him to be a world beater. He just... hasn't been that.
I think he's actually seemed more put-together this season, so far. I thought he gave a good interview after Saturday's game, and didn't shy away from the fact that he didn't have the kind of performance that he should have had.
September 27th will be a significant turning point one way or the other. If Drew doesn't have a good game, they're gonna get embarrassed on the biggest stage in College Football.
Oh and by the way, the FPI rankings are a joke, they have Bama #3 and Florida State #31…nuff said.
who had over 400 yards of offense at that point. Awful playcall. After 2 timeouts. Genius at work, truly.
He struggled yesterday, no way around that. He would admit that. I just watched the 2nd half and on our first drive of that half he was chronically throwing behind the receiver. I think he was "off" more in the first half.
The bigger question and the one that remains from preseason is if he can elevate his play versus elite competition. He is not inspiring confidence from his performance yesterday hence why this thread was posted.
I am hopeful the game yesterday was more of him having an off day and he was not locked in because he knew we were by far the superior team. Obviously we are in trouble if yesterday is an indication of how he will perform all season. Probably the answer falls somewhere in the middle. He is going to play better vs Oregon. I am confident of that. We need him to. The question is how much better? I think it will be much better or significantly better but will it rise to an elite level? I wish I knew that.
I don't think we should turn him into a game manager and run the ball 40 times. We won't beat the elite defenses if we don't have a legitimate passing game. He can do it, he can lead this team but he needs to get mentally tougher as I think his issues are primarily mental and not physical.
It may have been the worst letdown EVER in PSU football. Not to let them come back, but not to score the win in the clutch.
I have always had an issue with Franklin's preferred offense. He likes the top talent but wants to coach like he has lesser talent. Just my personal gripe which is probably wrong.
Allar to me doesn't seem to have the main super power that makes a great QB. He seems like a guy that needs to see it to throw it. The greats throw it knowing it will be there. If you can't do that everything seems slightly off. It's what is super hard and what makes a high level starting NFL QB.
Allar to me doesn't seem to have the main super power that makes a great QB. He seems like a guy that needs to see it to throw it. The greats throw it knowing it will be there. If you can't do that everything seems slightly off. It's what is super hard and what makes a high level starting NFL QB.
It’s called throwing people open (technical term)
You should be the coach of Penn State!
BTW, until you said you were at PSU from 82-86, I thought you were way younger from the language you use.
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The next idiot who thinks a retired wireless construction guy is qualified to : coach/ hire a coach / manage and market NIL can suck it
as for being 61, what about it?
my coaching experience is limited to 8yo-12yo lax
But Monday Morning coaching is perfectly acceptable…got it.
It’s your language, it’s like kids trying to be hip. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Not trying anything, it’s how I talk and communicate. You’d know this if we were bros
So we're back to not understanding a ball being thrown behind someone isn't always on the QB. It's often on the route but you somehow know that's on Allar?
This thread exists due to unreasonable expectations because of the stars by his name when he signed.
You're all making too much of a game in which our entire team slept walked through. Do you think LSU has concerns over Nussmeier? Do you think anyone on the team is concerned about Drew?
This is our fan base not being used to 5* kids...especially pocket passers.
I think you’re making fun but know your soy boy is 0-23 v big boysAllar is good enough for Franklin.
Allar is not good enough for us.
FIRE. FRANKLIN.
Lol Franklin is a soy boy, right. You’re just saying stuff now.