Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?
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Panic? That was simply Franklin competing until the end of the game, the same standard any coach asks and expects of their players. Villanova took a timeout to get their plan together, why wouldn't Franklin take one if he saw something in the pre snap alignment that he didn't like? I didn't get one ounce of a sense of panic there, it was Franklin competing and holding the team to the same standard he asks of them.
If Big Game James loses at home in the White Out the PSU faithful will lose their minds.
Franklin would give the exact same reason as you I just don’t agree. Calling a timeout on the last drive up 7 TDs is weak, and the only purpose was to do everything to preserve the shutout. Same as calling a timeout against Georgia State up 8 TDs to try to set up a FG block. Players can compete exactly the same with or without a TO. Other than Franklin and someone like Bielema or Kiffin, I don’t see too many other coaches doing that.
If Big Game James loses at home in the White Out, the never-Frankliners and the Eeyores will lose their minds.
Fixed it for you.
I think that's an incredibly unreasonable interpretation of the events. Even the typical never-Frankliner crowd might be hard-pressed to accept your interpretation, and they'll accept just about anything if it makes Franklin look bad.
He was coaching up his backups in a "real game" situation ... one some of them might be forced into this season, or earned their way into later on. You can simulate that kind of stuff all you want in practice, but it's beneficial to run it when you have "true" opponent.
Our top two backs are the envy of just about every program in the nation. Knock it off.
Ranked #2 and #3 in the nation by NFL experts, but our couch coaches know better.
That is all very well stated but "Fear of failure" has to be addressed however. He will overcome it and he actually displays that at times such as at the close of the first half the other day. When he's slinging it, he's as good as anyone
Good analysis. In one of the early-season games last year, I made the comment to a buddy that Allar was doing a fantastic job working through his progressions and finding his 3rd and sometimes 4th targets. This was before it became apparent that Warren was going to have an all-time season, and was often said 3rd or 4th target. Regardless, my buddy made the observation that the reason he was checking down with such timely precision was that none of his immediate targets were even in a position that Allar could “throw them open.”
My point is that Allar has not had a lot of opportunity in his time as a starter to work with capable outside talent capable of getting open with any consistency. This is not at all to excuse his unsteady play, but I do wonder if part of his lack of confidence in pulling quick triggers has anything to do with his lack of confidence (even if subconsciously) with his playmakers?
There’s little doubt he has all of the physical tools and can make all of the throws you look for in a top signal-caller. To your point, if the staff can find a way to shorten the gap between the physical and instincts/confidence, he can still take a step towards meeting his potential. Not sure if that will happen this year, but there’s still enough there to keep me intrigued.
Do you think it’s bad? Does it really matter? He’s the coach and it’s his choice. I don’t see any negative in it.
The game without blue-tinted glasses. This is the only time I'm doing this so read carefully. These were the first 9 passes by Allar.
1 - only looks at primary receiver #1 for a completion
2 - only looks at one receiver #8, throws wide of open receiver
3 - only looks at one receiver #8, throws it at feet of open receiver, but makes catch
4 - only looks at one receiver #5, deep post hits the back of db
5 - only looks at one receiver #6, a quick hitch but ball is knocked down at LOS
6 - can't tell as there's too much pressue
7 - comes off his primary receiver #85 to #8 who is 8 yards away from #85 and also well covered
8 - looks to the right for primary receiver #8 to get open, looks left and throws incomplete to #16
9 - only looks at #85, throws high and wide for an incompletion
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Just to be clear--I somehow went from being an Ohio State/Michigan fan to a biased Penn State fan.
If the first receiver is open that's where the ball is supposed to go, correct?
During this you're showing he doesn't just throw to the first read--and that's without me taking the time to review it--you proved me right--he comes off the first receiver in multiple examples.
Most of us liked McSorley a lot. He keyed an explosive offensive team without even an average Big Ten O-line. It would be fun to see McSorley running this team with his legs and his quick release. PSU would be a legit championship contender with McSorley.
Allar's lack of development is kind of remarkable. He looked really good at the start of the season 2 years ago. Remember how accurate and disciplined he was when they stomped Iowa? He's not playing nearly that well now.
Not at all--that's probably one of the most ridiculous statements yet which is impressive. Stil confused how I went from a Penn State hater to I'm biased toward Penn State...weird.
There's many people on this board that don't want other teams. They don't understand how many offenses rely heavily on WR screens/quick passing games then they try to compare completion percentage between the two offenses. Then, to make it better, they don't comprehend why Allar's numbers are comparable to every other NFL top prospect.
You break down it down saying he threw to his first option as though that's a bad thing. That's ideally what happens.
Then you provide examples of when he went through his progression despite trying to claim he doesn't do that.
I mean, you made my point for me. I appreciate it.
I'm not hiding--unlike others I kept the "Lando" nameI’ve finally figured out who you are and your old monikers.
If McSorely was our QB we wouldn't be contenders. Absolut4ely no chance--this goes to the point--people like the underdog and the running QB over talent.
25/37 166 yards is an efficient stat line. (No, didn't leave out 4 TDs, 0 picks)
Is that what we want going forward? Run the ball, churn clock, play action passing? That performance was a prime example of why we have struggled vs OSU. Couldn't run, passing just enough to beat Iowa and their well developed, but less talented roster.
Say what you will about the first 3 weeks, but it seemed getting Allar in rhythm with his WRs and TEs was priority #1. While this didn't produce Heisman worthy stats, it made for good practice. How it translates to Oregon in 2 weeks is to be seen, but I think some here would have been happier just running the backs more and spamming passes to Reynolds.
No, most did not like McSorley especially after “big” games. Please go back and look at the posts.
Wow. If Landon is right, it's a pretty damming indictment of Franklin as head coach. Basically, he's saying that the root of Allar's problems (note: he believes that Allar's play is problematic) is that he's being mismatched with Kotelnicky's system. If he's right, how in the world does Franklin not hire someone to take advantage of his first 5 star QB recruit? The guy that he's been pointing to as the key to winning a NC. Unbelievable.
Because he came off his primary receiver does not mean he's scanning the field. The two plays he came off were only because he was staring him down and he just never came open. You're saying he has the ability to see the whole field, and I'm saying I haven't seen him do that, with the exception of the USC game.
Yes and no. Our WRs last year weren't the best at getting open but they weren't as bad as many of the comments out there would have you believe either. There are times that Allar misses open guys as he makes his reads. He did it again yesterday, had a WR wide open on a medium crosser and that would have gone for a TD but instead Allar threw to an also open TE on the sideline. It was still a positive play and first down, but missed TD opportunity. Whether it was the right decision or not I can't say, as I don't know the order of his progressions on the play.
He's super talented, but those little things are the difference between him being the best QB in the country and just an above average QB. That's also the difference between an offense that goes for the jugular vs one that struggles on 3rd downs sometimes and has drives stall out. I really think he could be the best in the NCAA if he were consistently dialed in, and it seems more mental than anything. He has the arm talent to make all of throws, some that not many college QBs can make. It's just the decision making and ball location (especially deep balls) that needs some more consistency.
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Lots and lots of grumbling in Saturday in the Stadium. Folks have enjoyed the three Blue-White games but most have serious concerns about real games.
A massive reason why is you are comparing completely different types of offenses. Of course the passing and receiving yards will be higher in a pass heavy offense compared to what PSU is doing where they'd like to run for 200+ every week.
Amazingly we seem to be mildly regressing. These 3 games have done nothing to prepare us for Oregon. Key will be a fast start. Hopefully the team looked at Games 1-3 as scrimmages…and there is a different gear.