Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?

[sdwcpa]

Not that the ESPN power rankings are the be all to end all, they are not BUT:

PSU schedule so far is ranked 134 out of 136. Drew Allar's QBR at 56 is 111 out of 136.

Hopefully it improves substantially in conference games but if it doesn't those NFL scouts that have him in the top 3 will change their tune quickly.

 

[LMTLION]

Lots and lots of grumbling in Saturday in the Stadium. Folks have enjoyed the three Blue-White games but most have serious concerns about real games.

I did not attend Nova but was at FIU game and many concerns in the stadium in my section and in the fields about Allar and to be fair the OL. We have all been dialed into this being our year for a national championship, and it’s not loo looking that way. The Allar led PSU team from wks 1-3 is losing three games in the regular season.

 

[LMTLION]

Not that the ESPN power rankings are the be all to end all, they are not BUT:

PSU schedule so far is ranked 134 out of 136. Drew Allar's QBR at 56 is 111 out of 136.

Hopefully it improves substantially in conference games but if it doesn't those NFL scouts that have him in the top 3 will change their tune quickly.

That statistic is downright scary. I’m hoping that Franklin can earn his dollars over the bye week and get Drew the help he needs. I believe that help is a sports psychologist.

 

[bwc]

No, most did not like McSorley especially after “big” games. Please go back and look at the posts.

I wouldn't say most but there were some very vocal fans that expressed that position repetitively. There were also some with a more nuanced take.

In some of those games, McSorley wasn't anywhere close to 100% healthy and couldn't scramble like he normally could, which the offense relied on heavily. There were several that wondered if a 60% to 75% McSorley was better than a 100% backup with similar mobility. Same with Clifford in a couple of games. It was clear he was playing through some injuries. I think it was fair to ask that question.

 

[DaytonRickster]

Drew is not a hard worker. Lack of preparation and poor execution = not a winner.

Drew rather wear ugly chains and get terrible haircuts.

Personal attacks are uncalled for.

 

[Marshall2323]

Drew is not a hard worker. Lack of preparation and poor execution = not a winner.

Drew rather wear ugly chains and get terrible haircuts.

Put down the bottle and seek help

 

[Marshall2323]

10-2 or 9-3 in 2025 would be a monumental failure. Unfortunately that is the trajectory we are on unless Drew pulls it together.

10-2 or 9-3 in 2025 would be a m onumental failure. Unfortunately that is the trajectory we are on unless Drew pulls it together.

Perhaps. However, the hype was based on returning talent. Comparisons were drawn to Michigan and Ohio State.
Those rosters IMO had more 5 star talent. Before you scoff at 10-2......What was Ohio State's record last year?

 

[KingLando]

Because he came off his primary receiver does not mean he's scanning the field. The two plays he came off were only because he was staring him down and he just never came open. You're saying he has the ability to see the whole field, and I'm saying I haven't seen him do that, with the exception of the USC game.

You're incorrect because you don't know what you're talking about. He scans the entire field presnap, determines coverage then goes through progressions. The fact you don't comprehend this is the problem. Not him. You have no idea what you're watching.

 

[KingLando]

I was there Skippy.

How many drinks did you have?

 

[KingLando]

Not that the ESPN power rankings are the be all to end all, they are not BUT:

PSU schedule so far is ranked 134 out of 136. Drew Allar's QBR at 56 is 111 out of 136.

Hopefully it improves substantially in conference games but if it doesn't those NFL scouts that have him in the top 3 will change their tune quickly.

Look up Nussmeier Manning and the other top guys
You're dead wrong. It's truly scary how little you know

 

[Marshall2323]

Drew has a nice contract with American Eagle.

Imagine the endorsements and HOF career he could have if he just listened to the BWICAC?
Not only are we blessed with brilliant coaches, but dozens of psychologists and psychiatrists.
In summary:
Drew is lazy
Drew is mentally weak
Drew is poorly coached
I can't wait for an actual loss

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

Imagine the endorsements and HOF career he could have if he just listened to the BWICAC?
Not only are we blessed with brilliant coaches, but dozens of psychologists and psychiatrists.
In summary:
Drew is lazy
Drew is mentally weak
Drew is poorly coached
I can't wait for an actual loss

Dozens? Really? I only saw one post about Allar being lazy, and a couple surmising that Allar doesn't handle pressure well which I don't view as being mentally weak.

The fact is that Allar's play so far has not been great, merely good. I agree with Landon when he says Allar's talents are a mismatch for Kotelnicky's offense. We'll see against Oregon whether they continue trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, the hole being an RPO offense.

 

[bdgan]

My point is that Allar has not had a lot of opportunity in his time as a starter to work with capable outside talent capable of getting open with any consistency. This is not at all to excuse his unsteady play, but I do wonder if part of his lack of confidence in pulling quick triggers has anything to do with his lack of confidence (even if subconsciously) with his playmakers?

KLS was second team All SEC last year at Auburn.
Harrison Wallace is averaging 113 yds per game so far this year at Mississippi.
Allar's QBR is 16th in the BiG so far this year and that's with 3 new WRs.

Maybe the problem has been more than a lack of capable WR talent.

 

[bdgan]

IMO this is what we need from Allar in order to beat Oregon:

1. 65% completion
2. 225 yds
3. 2 TD, 0 INT
4. 30 rushing yards

 

[KingLando]

KLS was second team All SEC last year at Auburn.
Harrison Wallace is averaging 113 yds per game so far this year at Mississippi.
Allar's QBR is 16th in the BiG so far this year and that's with 3 new WRs.

Maybe the problem has been more than a lack of capable WR talent.

You have to consider scheme and whether or not the receivers fit. AK's offense relies heavily on route running. Lots are timing routes. Many of Drew's inaccuracy issues are a result of poor routes. We saw Pena multiple times drift upfield running an out instead of coming back to the QB. Until they get on the same page it won't happen. We saw Trey be unable to beat man and drop far too many balls. Glad he's having success but, again, maybe AK need to adapt to his talent.

 

[sdwcpa]

Look up Nussmeier Manning and the other top guys
You're dead wrong. It's truly scary how little you know

Just reporting the facts.

Nussmeier and Manning have not played the 3rd worst schedule in CFB

 

[KingLando]

IMO this is what we need from Allar in order to beat Oregon:

1. 65% completion
2. 225 yds
3. 2 TD, 0 INT
4. 30 rushing yards

He's going to need a lot more help if that's going to happen
Also I hate the "0 INT"...that's part of the issue. He shouldn't be afraid of a pick. I'd expect both teams to create turnovers.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Perhaps. However, the hype was based on returning talent. Comparisons were drawn to Michigan and Ohio State.
Those rosters IMO had more 5 star talent. Before you scoff at 10-2......What was Ohio State's record last year?

We’re in the age of professional college sports now. 10-2 or 9-3 doesn’t matter if you make the playoffs. The day of losing a regular season game and your championship hopes being shot are over. I think a 9-3 regular season record with a loss in the championship game is a more successful season than going undefeated in the regular season and losing in your first round of the playoffs.

 

[KingLando]

Just reporting the facts.

Nussmeier and Manning have not played the 3rd worst schedule in CFB

Your using stats without analyzing them which makes the useless. Comparing true pocket passers to guys that make a career on WR screens, underhand tosses on jet sweeps and simple crossing routes that rack up YAC to QBs throwing 25 yard comeback routes and outs to the wide side of the field.

You have to compare like things. Drew's asked to make throws 95% of college kids couldn't fathom.

 

[KingLando]

We’re in the age of professional college sports now. 10-2 or 9-3 doesn’t matter if you make the playoffs. The day of losing a regular season game and your championship hopes being shot are over. I think a 9-3 regular season record with a loss in the championship game is a more successful season than going undefeated in the regular season and losing in your first round of the playoffs.

Well said...the only purpose of the regular season is to make the playoffs and be peaking when you do so.

 

[BCS PSU]

Well said...the only purpose of the regular season is to make the playoffs and be peaking when you do so.

There have been many PSU teams like the ones in 1997 and 1999 that peaked in the first half of the season and regressed. My hope is that this team progressively gets better and peaks in early November. However, with that said, the offensive execution so far, especially in the last two games, has been very disappointing.

 

[BobPSU92]

3-0, ranked #2, outscored opponents 132-17. 5-star starting QB who is awful. 5-star senior RB who is awful.



52 points against Villanova. Must have been 15 field goals, one defensive TUDDIE. .

 

[NoBareFeet]

Your using stats without analyzing them which makes the useless. Comparing true pocket passers to guys that make a career on WR screens, underhand tosses on jet sweeps

Like Devante Ross's lone catch on Saturday?

 

[bdgan]

Look up Nussmeier Manning and the other top guys

Nussmeier 75.3 (37th)
Manning 49.6 (88th)

Moore 85.7 (10th)
Sayin 77.2 (29th)

Maiava 94.3 (1st)
Raiola 82.4 (15th)
Altmeyer (76.2 (34th)
Underwood 75.7 (35th)

Allar 38.3 (111th)
Pribula 83.9 (13th)

It's difficult to put a good spin on the results through 3 games.

 

[bdgan]

Your using stats without analyzing them which makes the useless. Comparing true pocket passers to guys that make a career on WR screens, underhand tosses on jet sweeps and simple crossing routes that rack up YAC to QBs throwing 25 yard comeback routes and outs to the wide side of the field.

You have to compare like things. Drew's asked to make throws 95% of college kids couldn't fathom.

In that case we should ask Drew to make throws he can complete.

 

[KingLando]

Like Devante Ross's lone catch on Saturday?

Correct...that's a rare thing for us and something other teams use a primary part of their offense.

 

[KingLando]

Nussmeier 75.3 (37th)
Manning 49.6 (88th)

Moore 85.7 (10th)
Sayin 77.2 (29th)

Maiava 94.3 (1st)
Raiola 82.4 (15th)
Altmeyer (76.2 (34th)
Underwood 75.7 (35th)

Allar 38.3 (111th)
Pribula 83.9 (13th)

It's difficult to put a good spin on the results through 3 games.

First off...Pribula's not a top guy. He's exactly the kind of guy who you can't compare him to
Nussmeier and Manning are the only two on that list that are in the discussion and you're cherry picking one stat
It's not difficult at all. Allar hasn't been great and there's many reasons for that beyond his play which you'll never comprehend

 

[KingLando]

In that case we should ask Drew to make throws he can complete.

We should be running an offense that supports that best of all the talent we have. Which is why Drew is great when we run a spread offense. Just deal with reality

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

3-0, ranked #2, outscored opponents 132-17. 5-star starting QB who is awful. 5-star senior RB who is awful.



52 points against Villanova. Must have been 15 field goals, one defensive TUDDIE. .

You’re a numbers guy. Good.

 

[rigi19040]

Not that the ESPN power rankings are the be all to end all, they are not BUT:

PSU schedule so far is ranked 134 out of 136. Drew Allar's QBR at 56 is 111 out of 136.

Hopefully it improves substantially in conference games but if it doesn't those NFL scouts that have him in the top 3 will change their tune quickly.

Yet you cite the stat as if it is a be all to end all. Without looking it up could you even tell us how they calculate QB rating? It is really more of a team passing game rating.

 

[rigi19040]

Nussmeier 75.3 (37th)
Manning 49.6 (88th)

Moore 85.7 (10th)
Sayin 77.2 (29th)

Maiava 94.3 (1st)
Raiola 82.4 (15th)
Altmeyer (76.2 (34th)
Underwood 75.7 (35th)

Allar 38.3 (111th)
Pribula 83.9 (13th)

It's difficult to put a good spin on the results through 3 games.

3-0 is the spin. Would you rather be 0-3 and have the #1 rated QB? Taquan Roberson is rated higher if ratings are your goal.

 

[rigi19040]

In that case we should ask Drew to make throws he can complete.

How about calling plays that suit his strength. He looked great in the 2 minute drill.

 

[rigi19040]

First off...Pribula's not a top guy. He's exactly the kind of guy who you can't compare him to
Nussmeier and Manning are the only two on that list that are in the discussion and you're cherry picking one stat
It's not difficult at all. Allar hasn't been great and there's many reasons for that beyond his play which you'll never comprehend

Nussmeier 75.3 (37th)
Manning 49.6 (88th)

Moore 85.7 (10th)
Sayin 77.2 (29th)

Maiava 94.3 (1st)
Raiola 82.4 (15th)
Altmeyer (76.2 (34th)
Underwood 75.7 (35th)

Allar 38.3 (111th)
Pribula 83.9 (13th)

It's difficult to put a good spin on the results through 3 games.

How did Pribula look in THIS offense when he was here?

Problem is the scheme. Same old story.

Who does look good in this offense other than the TEs?

 

[KingLando]

How did Pribula look in THIS offense when he was here?

Problem is the scheme. Same old story.

Who does look good in this offense other than the TEs?

Beau never actually ran the offense aside from one play against Oregon where he took a sack when Drew was injured and in mop up time. Beau stalled drives countless times which was AK's fault not his.

The TEs don't even look great. Warren was just special.

 

[PSUForever]

I think that's an incredibly unreasonable interpretation of the events. Even the typical never-Frankliner crowd might be hard-pressed to accept your interpretation, and they'll accept just about anything if it makes Franklin look bad.

He was coaching up his backups in a "real game" situation ... one some of them might be forced into this season, or earned their way into later on. You can simulate that kind of stuff all you want in practice, but it's beneficial to run it when you have "true" opponent.

First off...Pribula's not a top guy. He's exactly the kind of guy who you can't compare him to
Nussmeier and Manning are the only two on that list that are in the discussion and you're cherry picking one stat
It's not difficult at all. Allar hasn't been great and there's many reasons for that beyond his play which you'll never comprehend

The fact is if Allar does not improve significantly then this team will lose to Oregon and certainly OSU. Possibly a third game but if not then we could squeeze into the playoff but will lose to any top 10 team.

I hope I'm wrong and he elevates his play but the data does not lie, his stats are abysmal and you see it on the field as well. People can blame it on everything thing except Allar but that is simply not the case, he leads the offense.

The one schematic/play calling change we need to make is to have him run more. We have to be willing for him to keep the ball to keep the defense off balance. I don't know how many times but at least 5, maybe 7-8. Also, he needs to be quicker about just tucking it and running when the play breaks down. If there is an opportunity to head up field for positive yardage versus throwing into tight coverage then he needs to make that decision quickly. He can always slide to protect himself, I notice he does not do that often.

 

[BobPSU92]

In that case we should ask Drew to make throws he can complete.

Are there any?

 

[rigi19040]

Beau never actually ran the offense aside from one play against Oregon where he took a sack when Drew was injured and in mop up time. Beau stalled drives countless times which was AK's fault not his.

The TEs don't even look great. Warren was just special.

Right. When Bear was the PSU QB it was AKs fault. Who is Drew's OC?

 

[rigi19040]

The fact is if Allar does not improve significantly then this team will lose to Oregon and certainly OSU. Possibly a third game but if not then we could squeeze into the playoff but will lose to any top 10 team.

I hope I'm wrong and he elevates his play but the data does not lie, his stats are abysmal and you see it on the field as well. People can blame it on everything thing except Allar but that is simply not the case, he leads the offense.

The one schematic/play calling change we need to make is to have him run more. We have to be willing for him to keep the ball to keep the defense off balance. I don't know how many times but at least 5, maybe 7-8. Also, he needs to be quicker about just tucking it and running when the play breaks down. If there is an opportunity to head up field for positive yardage versus throwing into tight coverage then he needs to make that decision quickly. He can always slide to protect himself, I notice he does not do that often.

Who on offense has improved significantly? Did the RBs improve? Did the OL improve? Problem is the system.

 

[PSUForever]

Who on offense has improved significantly? Did the RBs improve? Did the OL improve? Problem is the system.

Kaytron looks better. Luke Reynolds. We needed Allar to improve and he has not. The O-Line is playing good enough. Allar is the key.

 

[KingLando]

The fact is if Allar does not improve significantly then this team will lose to Oregon and certainly OSU. Possibly a third game but if not then we could squeeze into the playoff but will lose to any top 10 team.

I hope I'm wrong and he elevates his play but the data does not lie, his stats are abysmal and you see it on the field as well. People can blame it on everything thing except Allar but that is simply not the case, he leads the offense.

The one schematic/play calling change we need to make is to have him run more. We have to be willing for him to keep the ball to keep the defense off balance. I don't know how many times but at least 5, maybe 7-8. Also, he needs to be quicker about just tucking it and running when the play breaks down. If there is an opportunity to head up field for positive yardage versus throwing into tight coverage then he needs to make that decision quickly. He can always slide to protect himself, I notice he does not do that often.

Why would any OC have a scheme were a QB like Allar is running the ball?