Seems odd you would call someone a fool but spend your day arguing with them. That sure doesn't say much about you!
They are killed at higher rates, "rates" being the key word, because they interact with police at much higher rates. They interact with police at much higher rates because they commit violent crime at much higher rates. Your own numbers have answered your question. You may not be a numbers person, but surely you understand the difference between rates and total violent crime numbers.
I didn't call you a fool. I said you are making a fool out of yourself. I realize you may not be numbers person, but I think if you are looking at what has been laid out before you with an honest mind, even a person who is not a numbers person would understand the point.
The same is true with your hearsay argument. Hearsay in court has to do with a person who does not have direct knowledge of something trying to testify as to what someone else told him about it. If a person has direct knowledge of the situation, it's not considered hearsay. That person may not be considered credible by a jury, but it's not hearsay. The corroboration part of hearsay has to do with the person testifying about what he heard not being able to corroborate it because he doesn't have direct knowledge about it. Therefore it is hearsay. It has nothing to do with the police being able to corroborate what a witness says about what happened.
All of these facts are laid out before you and because of your bias, you refuse them. That is making a fool of yourself. Once again, I'm not calling you a fool, but when you refuse to see factual information, then you are making a fool out of yourself.
Except they don't. White people interact with police at far higher rates. Almost 3 times as much over all. They also are involved in over 100,000 more instances of violent crime. And that is just what they are convicted for. Data also suggest black people are more targeted, arrested, convicted and incarcerated at much higher rates than their white counterparts. Even with very similar crimes and records. So, again, why would this lead to much higher death rates for blacks by cops? Your assertion still doesn't add up.
Also, what caused the deadly interactions of George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castille, Atatina Jefferson. Breonna Taylor, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Tanisha Anderson to name a few?
I just calculated the rates for you. Black people commit violent crime at almost 3 times the rate of white people, therefore, they are interacting with police at almost 3 times the rate of white people for violent crime related incidences.
Sure you did. You can try to spin it all you want. Insinuating someone is a fool is no different than calling someone a fool. Seems kind of foolish not to just be honest about it.
I am looking at the numbers. They easily suggest black people are far more likely to be killed by police, even though white people have far more interactions with them. Whether it be violent or non-violent, armed or unarmed. It all adds up to the same conclusion that black people are more likely to be killed by a cop than their white counterparts.
Hearsay has many different types. Claiming something that cannot be supported with any factual evidence is considered hearsay. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant to reality.
Lol, you are not calling me a fool, but you are saying I am acting like a fool? LOL.
I am being honest and forthcoming about the numbers. I am literally sourcing it for you. All evidence supports black people are far more likely to be killed by police than white people. Even though white people have over 2.5 times the interactions.
Peaceful protests can become violent when the peaceful message is not heard and conditions don’t improve. It’s human nature to yell louder when nothing changes. I certainly don’t condone the violence, but I understand it. Black folks have a reason to be very angry and this is going to continue to get worse until the white majority leadership do a better job of listening to their grievances and taking meaningful action. If roles were reversed you’d do the same, as would I.
But that is simply not true. Again, white people had almost 100,000 more interactions for violent crimes and far fewer ended up dead by cops. Overall, White people had 3.6 million more instances of crime than black people, yet they still ended up far less likely to die at the hands of police.
Again, I ask, what caused the deadly interactions of George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castille, Atatina Jefferson. Breonna Taylor, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Tanisha Anderson to name a few?
Also, why, last night, did the cops run right past the white guy carrying an assault rifle, who just publicly shot 3 people, killing 2, and into the crowd of mostly black protestors who were trying to help stop him?
Total interactions are not a rate? Do you understand what a rate is? What matters in terms of answering your question is the interactions per member of the population. Total interactions are not rates and cannot tell you which race is interacting at a higher rate than other races.
I'd love to see freedom to protest taken away from anyone that is mentally ill. That would wipe out almost every Liberal. [roll]
Not to mention that whites outnumber blacks in our country nearly 6 to 1 and police density is more in porer urban, often black, neighborhoods.
That’s not funny. Mental illness is not a joke and debasing someone for political affiliation is a dangerous road to travel down. You might try some introspection and ponder if you add value to the community or not before you post or speak.
When you show outrage for a 5 year old white kid on his bike getting executed by a black man, I'll begin to take you seriously.
Yes! And I am telling you if white people are committing far more of the overall violent crimes and crimes in general, then black people shouldn't be the ones far more likely to be killed for it. In 2020 alone, 215 white people have been killed by police. Yet, 333 people of color have been killed by police. Now white people will easily lead the way yet again in overall crime and violent crime, but yet, why so far has 118 less white people died at the hands of police? Your reasoning just doesn't cover that I am afraid.
Again, I ask, what caused the deadly interactions of George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castille, Atatina Jefferson. Breonna Taylor, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Tanisha Anderson to name a few?
Also, why, last night, did the cops run right past the white guy carrying an assault rifle, who just publicly shot 3 people, killing 2, and into the crowd of mostly black protestors who were trying to help stop him?
Wasn't his killer caught and arrested within hours? I think he has already been arraigned and plead guilty. He will now go away for rest of his life, as he should.
Also, it's alleged that the parents of the kid were inside doing drugs with the killer just a couple of hours beforehand. Not saying that in any way justifies what happened, but why were they associating with a known drug addict in their house around their kids. Not to mention, what kind of parents lets their 5 year old ride his bike in the driveway and street unattended by an adult?
This is from Statista. In 2017 457 whites were killed by cops and 223 blacks. In 2018, whites 399 and blacks 209. In 2019 whites 370 and blacks 235. In 2019 whites were killed by cops at a rate of 370/197,000,000= .000002. Blacks were killed at a rate of 235/40200000=.000006. Blacks were killed at a rate of approximately 3 times whites. That rate corresponds to the fact that blacks commit violent crime at approximately three times the rate of whites. It is very clear that violent crime interaction with police is what is driving the death rate at the hands of police. If the rate at which blacks were killed by police was 5 times more than whites, then perhaps you would have more of an argument because that rate doesn't reflect the rate at which each race interacts with police. But the rates are essentially the same.
So now you are including hispanic, other, and unknown in your numbers, lol. At least you are consistent in making a fool of yourself.
Several issues, people of color includes more than black, so no. Also, you will notice that list has a whole category for unknown races. 2017 it was 84, 2018 it was 204, 2019 it was 202, and 2020 is 146 so far. What groups do you think make up that unknown? I would be willing to wager that not many white people end up in that category, but I would be willing to bet quite a few black people do. So your metric is very likely screwed from the start.
You are also conflating 2 very different things. There is no debate that white people interact far more annually with cops, regardless of demographic make-up. FBI data indicates that white people average 3.6 million more total interactions yearly and 100,000 more just for violent offenses alone. Because of this fact alone, if interactions result in casualty, statistically, white people should be the victim of that far more often than not. However, the data easily shows that is not the case. No only that, when you factor in all races, white people still far exceed in police interaction, whether violent or non-violent. In 2017, 530 people of color where killed by cops, compared to 457 white people. In 2018, 597 people of color compared to 399 white. in 2019, 634 people of color compared to 370 white. So far, in 2020, 343 people of color, 215 white. Unless you are blind or just don't want to accept the truth, it is very easy to see just being a person of color in this country, makes you far more at risk of being killed by cops.
Again, I ask, what caused the deadly interactions of George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castille, Atatina Jefferson. Breonna Taylor, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Tanisha Anderson to name a few?
Also, why, last night, did the cops run right past the white guy carrying an assault rifle, who just publicly shot 3 people, killing 2, and into the crowd of mostly black protestors who were trying to help stop him?
I have shown both. Why wouldn't you include all people when factoring the total? Are you just wanting to manipulate the data to metrics that you prefer?
We have never been talking about people of color, we have been talking about statistics associated with white or black people. So you are moving the goal posts. I have no idea what race is actually in the unknown category and neither do you, or the FBI, that's why they are in that category. To speculate would be to pollute any analysis that is done.
You keep saying the same thing over and over again but show no math to support what you are saying. I have calculated everything to support what I say. Let's see some math to support your point. Once again, anyone who knows anything about math understands it's the rate per person that matters. You keep talking about totals, but totals don't tell you anything about the probability of the average person in a race interacting with police or being killed by police.
Since the white population 4.9 times greater than the black population, shouldn't white interaction with police for violent crime be 4.9 times greater than blacks? Why isn't it?
No, I am keeping the analysis to white people and black people. We could do it for each race individually just like we are doing for the white and black races. We could add hispanic, asian, american indian, etc., but how are they relevant to the point of whether black people are killed at higher rates than white people and why that might be happening?
You're a shameless fascist and you've proved it in this thread
I am not changing the goalposts, I am just giving the full picture. Evidently that bothers you because it doesn't support your narrative.
If you are being hones with yourself, you know it would be very unlikely for them not to be able to identify a caucasian. That is pretty easy to do. It would also be far more likely that a light skinned black person would be much easier confused for Hispanic, middle eastern or so forth. That is just common sense. And even just a handful would greatly impact the ratios. To not consider it pollutes the data even more. It is literally an unknown.
I have shown you the real data. 3.6 million more interaction would naturally indicate a far high potential for impact. Yet, the data shows that is not the case. 100,000 more instances of interaction with violent crime alone should indicate they have the highest potential for negative police reaction. However, the data is showing black people will be more likely to have the negative interactions. You're just trying to manipulate the data to try to prove something that doesn't exist.
Sure, if they were actually profiled, targeted, arrested, convicted and sentenced in the same manner. However, we know that is not the case. White people are far less profiled, targeted, arrested and convicted than blacks. Even when crimes and records are very similar. So no, it wouldn't be the same since the criminal justice system does not treat them the same.
How come you keep avoiding my other questions as well? They punch to many holes in your narrative? Oh well, I will keep asking anyway.
Again, I ask, what caused the deadly interactions of George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castille, Atatina Jefferson. Breonna Taylor, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Tanisha Anderson to name a few?
Also, why, last night, did the cops run right past the white guy carrying an assault rifle, who just publicly shot 3 people, killing 2, and into the crowd of mostly black protestors who were trying to help stop him?
Because it shows how white people are treated far differently than people of color in this country. There are far more white people and white criminals, both violent and non violent. Yet, people of color are far more negatively impacted by law enforcement. Why is that?
You inadvertently answer your question...
You will never hear someone competent in mathematics make the sort of nonsense claims that the racial charlatans and race profiteers in the advocate media at
If BLM cared about black lives, they would do everything in their power to make it abundantly clear that you must obey the lawful commands of a police officer. There are plenty of less "justifiable" killings of any race on the internet you can watch that the media nmever told you about when individuals fail to obey police orders, but they are called suicide by cop when there isn't an ulterior motive and an angle to exploit.
Homicide is the number one cause of death for black individuals 18-45, which is a ridiculous statistic that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world except during cases of civil war, and that's who these people are who perpetuate these lies used to manipulate people, they are "race" (and otherwise) traitors waging a civil war$
These people are making a serious mistake with serious consequences; they need to reflect more thoroughly on their reason to be agnry, assuming they actually have any integrity left.
Lot of people need to remember how they got duped by social media rumors yesterday and be more skeptical in the future
You haven't shown "However, the data is showing black people will be more likely to have the negative interactions". Show me the math that shows this to be true.
The unknown category you are arguing about is pure speculation. I'm not going to waste my time with it because neither of us know enough about how that is determined to have a real opinion. If you have that strong of an opinion on an issue that you don't have very much knowledge about, then you have some serious problems with logic and critical thinking.
I have seen people argue that blacks are targeted more than whites. I'm not sure if that's accurate or not because police focus on high crime neighborhoods and profile and target people based on descriptions of witnesses. Since blacks commit violent crime at a higher rate, I would expect blacks to be profiled and targeted at higher rates. By the way who is telling police to look for a black perpetrator in most cases?
You didn't answer my question about why violent crime wouldn't be 4.9 times higher for whites than blacks since the population for whites is 4.9 times higher.
I'm not answering your questions about specific cases because they don't matter. A handful of specific cases don't mean that the vast majority of cases are like those. It's just a way for you to avoid what the numbers show.
Since we know that many more white people are killed by police each year, usually around double, don't you think a list of white names equally long if not longer could be produced? Or are you arguing that only black people are killed under questionable circumstances and every white person killed is justified?
Can't you see how the BLM narrative falls apart under even the most casual mathematical scrutiny? Also the cases you name are spread out over the course of several years, making them even more statistically insignificant and representative of nothing at all in a country of 320 million people.
This country, our society, cannot function if there are riots every time a black person dies in a police interaction, it is literally impossible to prevent it from happening. Just as its impossible to prevent white people from dying, its an inevitability. People who "protest" for something that is an impossibility should not be taken seriously.
Do you really want to go down the path of discussing the criminal histories and life choices of victims or their families? I think that would be a rabbit hole someone with your agenda would want to avoid.
He does; I've brought it out out of him multiple times.
I don't read his postings anymore though, because while he "enjoys" making people angry, I don't and it's inadvertent... a natural consequence of me exposing him.
Because who knows,?it might set him off, maybe he's one of these types or worse.
Which is our only real hope remaining as a country, liberal like her that recognize this insanity able to real them back in to reality. There are also a lot black intellectuals, competent and not beholden to political interests, able to see the reality for what it is who need to speak loudly and more prominently, save lives... someone like deGrasse Tyson would be perfect for his popularity if he took up the cause that's actually righteous in place of this politically expedient, self-righteous lioes of destruction and mayhem .
Sure I have. I gave you the overall numbers from both categories. It shows black people and POC in general are far more likely to die from negative police interactions than white people. I can't make you accept reality. You have to do that all on your own.
Sure we do. You just don't want to admit it. Who is far more likely to end up in that category, people of color or whites? Well, POC includes black. Black people are often mixed races or skin tones that make them appear mixed. It is very easy to be confused by that and has to label them unknown. Again, that is just logic.
Lol, stop and frisk? War on drugs? Super predators? All of these led to mass racial profiling by police nationwide. While some of the policies have been banned, the actions and consequences still very much exist. They were very racist policies. Attitudes and beliefs like yours are what drive police to view black citizens as likely culprits. It's the belief system you have been indoctrinated to. "Black means criminal." "If a crime has occurred, look for the closest black person, it was probably them. "
Sure I did. I explained that if they were profiled, targeted, apprehended, accused, tried, and convicted comparatively for the crimes in the same way black people were, it would be much closer to accurate. However, since law enforcement in this country does not treat them the same, they are not an accurate representation of reality.
Handful? I just gave you 14 cases in 1 sentence.
Again, I ask, what caused the deadly interactions of George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castille, Atatina Jefferson. Breonna Taylor, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Tanisha Anderson to name a few?
Also, why, last night, did the cops run right past the white guy carrying an assault rifle, who just publicly shot 3 people, killing 2, and into the crowd of mostly black protestors who were trying to help stop him?
lol, what? The gap has been closing steadily each year. I think the last time it was double was like 3 -4 years ago. I agree white people shouldn't be killed by cops either. However, white people seem fine with it. I can't force them to get upset over it and work for change.
How does it fall apart? They are very significant. Several of them occurred just this year alone.
Really? Then why does it happen less frequently in most other developed nations? Even when factored for population differences. They should be taken very seriously. To ignore it or act as if it just the price we way is beyond ignorance and complacency.
We already have gone over it like 10 times. White people commit 3.6 million more overall crimes and almost 100,000 more violent crimes. You even acknowledged this. Yet, more POC have been killed yearly than white people at the hand of police. Hundreds more in some years. Black people are killed far more often by police than the crimes numbers indicate should happen. Many of them weren't even the ones breaking the law in the first place. Not to mention the black death number and numbers for all POC is rising, while the white death number has lowered dramatically. Again, that shouldn't be the case.
When have I called you names? Surely you can reference it?
What did you expose me on?
You might set me off into yelling white silence? Ohh, the horror of it all!
Ohh, somedudescry, this board wouldn't be as fun without you!