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According to this FBI data, of the 2,491 murders of black people reported in the U.S. in 2013, 2,245 perpetrators (90%) were black and 189 perpetrators (7.6%) were white. Of 3,005 murders of white people, 2,509 perpetrators (83.5%) were white while 409 perpetrators (13.6%) were black.
 

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According to this FBI data, of the 2,491 murders of black people reported in the U.S. in 2013, 2,245 perpetrators (90%) were black and 189 perpetrators (7.6%) were white. Of 3,005 murders of white people, 2,509 perpetrators (83.5%) were white while 409 perpetrators (13.6%) were black.

Obviously you are not following what you preach of properly disecting and "treating" the data.
 

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Lol, when they begin with "I want to give a disclaimer that this my biased perception of events," I don't think that's going to lend a lot of credence to their research (opinion).
 
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But it's *280* times greater in the US, and it doesn't even ever get discussed. That's how profoundly dysfunctional America is when it comes to race, and how no “conversation” will ever be possible until these issues can be discussed outside the false framing of “racism.”
 

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America Reckons With Racial Injustice

One Author's Argument 'In Defense Of Looting'


So you get to the heart of that property relation, and demonstrate that without police and without state oppression, we can have things for free.

And I think that’s a part of it that doesn’t really get talked about—that riots and looting are experienced as sort of joyous and liberatory.
 
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A business being attacked in the community is ultimately about attacking like modes of oppression that exist in the community. It is true and possible that there are instances historically when businesses have refused to reopen or to come back. But that is a part of the inequity of the society,
 

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A business being attacked in the community is ultimately about attacking like modes of oppression that exist in the community. It is true and possible that there are instances historically when businesses have refused to reopen or to come back. But that is a part of the inequity of the society,
Look no further than Ferguson when they consistently looted and burned black owned businesses time and again.

Its just an excuse to act a fool and steal stuff under the false guise of justification. It always has been.
 

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No we have gone from race to arguing about looting and rioting.

Look no further than the Boogloo and ALt_right groups. Boogaloos message is to attack elected officials and police. Yet the right somehow wants you to beleive they care about police. And they have infiltrated your military.

 

The G Spot

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Sure you do or you wouldn't know it was me.

Not sure how showing violent black youth proves systemic racism doesn't exist, but I'll counter with violent white people on the right.

 

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The evidence suggests there is obviously a social class issue in this country, but all of those class issues also impact people of color on a far greater scale. Even when all things are equal. That is called systemic racism.

You would be correct that socioeconomic solutions would be the resolution. Fixing the education system, which you often champion, being among them.
 
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You have posted nothing but your inability to understand what statistics mean, which is not your fault, it's ok really. You just have to admit to yourself that you don't know, that you might be wrong.

ALL of your data/statistics point to the reality that this about class, not about race... like it's not about race at all: zero, zip, zilch... nada (atleast much closer to that being the reality than not). There's an entire video posted early from an electrical engineer with analysis of this nonsense you promulgators of false political narratives do that totally decimates it.

I too can totally dismantle any of your lies and half truths... any of them.

Racism may explain the findings, but the statistical evidence doesn’t prove it. As economists, we don’t get to label unexplained racial disparities “racism.”

No matter how we analyzed the data, we found no racial differences in shootings overall, in any city in particular, or in any subset of the data. I have grappled with these results for years as I witnessed videos of unmistakable police brutality against black men. How can the data tell a story so different from what we see with our eyes?

Our analysis tells us what happens on average. It isn’t average when a police officer casually kneels on someone’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Are there racial differences in the most extreme forms of police violence? The Southern boy in me says yes; the economist says we don’t know.


Several scholars have rightly pointed out that these data all begin with an interaction, and suggested that racist policing manifests itself in more interactions between blacks and the police. The impact of this hypothesis in our shootings data seems minimal. The results on police shootings are statistically the same across all call types—ranging from officer-initiated contact with a suspicious person (where racism in whom to police is likely paramount) to a 911 call of a homicide in progress (where interaction with the potential suspect is more likely independent of race).

Are the data nationally representative? We don’t know. But at least two other studies, both published in 2016—by Phillip Atiba Goff et al. and Ted R. Miller et al.—have since found the same using different data.
 
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Crums Bald Spot

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Well her ex-boyfriend gave an interview that she had no connection to the drug trade.

It also seems odd she had no gun powder residue on her hand and her fingerprints weren't on the gun. So he must be one hell of a guy to flush the drugs, clean her hands of gun powder residue, clean the gun of fingerprints prints and plant himself back in the hallway with her. Then admitted to the cops he was the one firing. He is one hell of a guy!

We will see pot belly. Maybe her drug dealing ex is telling the truth or maybe he's a lying drug dealer. We'll see but pointing to an interview with a thug is not supporting your case.

As far as blacks - they are 11-14% of the population. They are not going to have a large presence as CEOs, etc. Then you factor in the black culture and their lack of focus on Daddy sticking around and education and that falls further.

It's not whitey or the man keeping to them down. It's a culture of lack parental responsibility, lack of educational focus and a dependency on federal aid.

When they rise up and address this, address black on black crime and quit looking at the boogie man cops or think whitey is still out to get them - then the majority will take them seriously
 

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You have posted nothing but your inability to understand what statistics mean, which is not your fault, it's ok really. You just have to admit to yourself that you don't know, that you might be wrong.

ALL of your data/statistics point to the reality that this about class, not about race... like it's not about race at all: zero, zip, zilch... nada (atleast much closer to that being the reality than not). There's an entire video posted early from an electrical engineer with analysis of this nonsense you promulgators of false political narratives do that totally decimates it.

I too can totally dismantle any of your lies and half truths... any of them.

Racism may explain the findings, but the statistical evidence doesn’t prove it. As economists, we don’t get to label unexplained racial disparities “racism.”

No matter how we analyzed the data, we found no racial differences in shootings overall, in any city in particular, or in any subset of the data. I have grappled with these results for years as I witnessed videos of unmistakable police brutality against black men. How can the data tell a story so different from what we see with our eyes?

Our analysis tells us what happens on average. It isn’t average when a police officer casually kneels on someone’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Are there racial differences in the most extreme forms of police violence? The Southern boy in me says yes; the economist says we don’t know.


Several scholars have rightly pointed out that these data all begin with an interaction, and suggested that racist policing manifests itself in more interactions between blacks and the police. The impact of this hypothesis in our shootings data seems minimal. The results on police shootings are statistically the same across all call types—ranging from officer-initiated contact with a suspicious person (where racism in whom to police is likely paramount) to a 911 call of a homicide in progress (where interaction with the potential suspect is more likely independent of race).

Are the data nationally representative? We don’t know. But at least two other studies, both published in 2016—by Phillip Atiba Goff et al. and Ted R. Miller et al.—have since found the same using different data.
I have posted much data to support my argument. Several renowned studies. You have chosen to not accept that, deflect away into a new argument and routinly post tweets from random propoganda sources. You posted a youtube video of a guy railing against his place of employment because they made him take racial sensitivity training. He even made a disclaimer that his opinions were based off his biased experiences. Those were his exact words. He even openly admitted he felt racism existed.

You would think if you understand data and statistics so well, you might actually have some to provide that illustrate your odd beliefs and obviously renowned statistical skills your always trying to convince everyone of. If you were so good at "math" as you put it, would you routinly have to tell everyone to convince them? Shouldn't you be just be able to show it? We are 20 pages deep and you still won't provide a single piece of data or analytical breakdown.

If you could dismantle them, I would really have expected you to do it by page 20. Are you just keeping it secret for suspense?
 

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We will see pot belly. Maybe her drug dealing ex is telling the truth or maybe he's a lying drug dealer. We'll see but pointing to an interview with a thug is not supporting your case.

As far as blacks - they are 11-14% of the population. They are not going to have a large presence as CEOs, etc. Then you factor in the black culture and their lack of focus on Daddy sticking around and education and that falls further.

It's not whitey or the man keeping to them down. It's a culture of lack parental responsibility, lack of educational focus and a dependency on federal aid.

When they rise up and address this, address black on black crime and quit looking at the boogie man cops or think whitey is still out to get them - then the majority will take them seriously
This. Quietly Asians, Hispanics, Middle Easterners rtc in this country are looking at them and saying the same thing about them. No one mentions that.
 
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The evidence suggests there is obviously a social class issue in this country, but all of those class issues also impact people of color on a far greater scale. Even when all things are equal. That is called systemic racism.

You would be correct that socioeconomic solutions would be the resolution. Fixing the education system, which you often champion, being among them.

horse ****
 

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It's not about race, but class and character.

Then, and now, you want to be on the side of that.



This image and others like it helped to expose the immorality and wickedness of white bigots. The 1957 picture of Eckford on her first day of school empowered Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement.


The reverse is happening in 2020. The angry mobs are mixed-race and they’re terrorizing mostly white people. The mobs are doing this under the umbrella of Black Lives Matter. The keyword in that sentence is Black. The white kids in Portland and Seattle who are rioting every night are defining themselves as FOB, friends of black people.


The BLM movement is framing black people as racist, immoral and violent. This is the total opposite of the Civil Rights Movement. Black people are losing the public-relations war. Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid and the rest of the mainstream liberal media won’t inform their viewers that BLM is destroying the reputation of black people.


We (black people) mistakenly believe that shouting “Breonna Taylor” or “I can’t breathe” trumps a daily barrage of BLM protesters acting violent and immoral. It doesn’t.


We’re losing. The people telling us we’re winning are lying and shouldn’t be trusted. They’re either stupid, want us to lose or they’re using BLM to advance goals that have nothing to do with black people.

Whitlock is absolutely killing right now. I wish he would get more attn because he makes sooooo much sense its ridiculous. His Lebron take was just so intelligently played.
 
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