Trilly Donovan doxxed

LadyCaytIL

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Did Jack and Jacob delete their doxxing post because I dont see them doxxing him anywhere on TOS. I see the posts above of them joking about it though.
 
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Sounds like, since he didn't contribute before like he is now, the one who didn't like him was the NIL cash cow and maybe that is because Pope didn't allow him access that he thought he deserved.
 
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RoyKent

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I am guessing that Pope was liked but, no one is missing him. Their new coach is really getting it done. This past season is the first time I actually watched a BYU game in decades. Their immediate future is bright.
100%. I’m sure they all like Pope quite a bit. But BYU basketball is in a far better place today than they were ever gonna be if he stayed there.
 

MegaBlue05

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I have also heard rumblings of Pope not being well liked at BYU. Words used were fake, petty and two-faced. That doesn’t seem like the guy we’ve known for a year.

I know some Cougars fans didn’t like the way Pope left, but a lot of it seems like sour grapes to me. As always, I take everything I read online with a grain of salt.
 

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100%. I’m sure they all like Pope quite a bit. But BYU basketball is in a far better place today than they were ever gonna be if he stayed there.
It’s easy to view it that way given the timeline of events and them being in a better place now.

But I’m not so sure Pope wouldn’t had made the same jump and the money wouldn’t had flooded in that next year anyways.

They had been a top 25 type team a couple years already. Pope led them into year 1 of the B12. Them being successful in year 1 gave proof of concept that they could compete at this level to the donors, and more importantly to recruits. Easier to recruit high level talent when you’re “a big boy” and not viewed as a midmajor.

That off-season was also the first full year of the portal bidding war flood gates fully opening. Odds are, all the money ppl that love sports were going to get involved (at least initially) regardless.

I also think BYU getting all the espn spotlight by association of being tied to the Coach Cal/UK soap opera brought out the donors willingness to swing big on the hire. Ppl that successful are uber competitive and I doubt they wanted to be odd man out of the couching triangle. Once the check books were out, they are fully out and behind the new coach for a few years at minimum. If they can’t get past the S16 for a couple years, it’ll die back down.

So the question is, did moneybag donors get more involved bc they didn’t vibe w Pope, or bc the circumstances around the program changed and they were now playing a full schedule of brand name schools on national TV weekly and receiving conference profit sharing on top of donor money
 

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Ha.. Trilly called out Graf and Pilgrim earlier yesterday then posted everyone at BYU hated Pope and was glad he left.. That musta pissed off some UK fan who doxxed him,, lol..
Is that true? Pope seems very likeable
I am guessing that Pope was liked but, no one is missing him. Their new coach is really getting it done. This past season is the first time I actually watched a BYU game in decades. Their immediate future is bright.
I have also heard rumblings of Pope not being well liked at BYU. Words used were fake, petty and two-faced. That doesn’t seem like the guy we’ve known for a year.

I know some Cougars fans didn’t like the way Pope left, but a lot of it seems like sour grapes to me. As always, I take everything I read online with a grain of salt.
Here's my take. For whatever it's worth. Background. I never LOVED Pope as a player. Never loved him as a coach. As a HS coach, I've LOVED his offenses and tried to use those concepts for 5+ years now. I'm not some fanboy, but I think the dude can really coach, especially offenses.

I don't think anyone could truly "hate" Pope. I think, on the surface, Pope seems like a very likeable guy. But I can totally see, if you get past the surface level stuff, the fake/two-faced/petty mentioned above. Why? Couple reasons. Not EVERYTHING is "super" or "awesome" or "wonderful" or whatever adjective he uses to describe literally everything. It becomes white noise after a while and seems extremely disingenuous. Secondly, there's a reason he and Pitino are so tight. And I know Rick's got that UK Grandpa thing going on now and we seem to have welcomed him back with open arms, but Rick Pitino is all of those things Mega mentioned in the above post. And much, much more. He's also one of my favorite coaches of all time, so this isn't some personal gripe. He's a snake, and we all know it. Does that mean I think Pope is a snake? Of course not, but I can see some of those qualities.

The "hate" probably exists from some of the paragraph above and a lot of thinking Pope wasn't winning enough. He won zero conference titles (regular season or tournament) and zero NCAAT games in five years there. BYU is accustomed to more than that. His replacement did more in one year than Pope did there in five.
 

RoyKent

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It’s easy to view it that way given the timeline of events and them being in a better place now.

But I’m not so sure Pope wouldn’t had made the same jump and the money wouldn’t had flooded in that next year anyways.

They had been a top 25 type team a couple years already. Pope led them into year 1 of the B12. Them being successful in year 1 gave proof of concept that they could compete at this level to the donors, and more importantly to recruits. Easier to recruit high level talent when you’re “a big boy” and not viewed as a midmajor.

That off-season was also the first full year of the portal bidding war flood gates fully opening. Odds are, all the money ppl that love sports were going to get involved (at least initially) regardless.

I also think BYU getting all the espn spotlight by association of being tied to the Coach Cal/UK soap opera brought out the donors willingness to swing big on the hire. Ppl that successful are uber competitive and I doubt they wanted to be odd man out of the couching triangle. Once the check books were out, they are fully out and behind the new coach for a few years at minimum. If they can’t get past the S16 for a couple years, it’ll die back down.

So the question is, did moneybag donors get more involved bc they didn’t vibe w Pope, or bc the circumstances around the program changed and they were now playing a full schedule of brand name schools on national TV weekly and receiving conference profit sharing on top of donor money
The money rolled in because the mega booster providing it all hired the guy he wanted as coach
 

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Flew a little too close to the sun and got his wings clipped.

The way I see it you have 2 choices. You can stay anonymous and have your following grow because your information is correct. Or you can try to profit off your information, which will mean networking, doing interviews etc. and you are not anonymous. Sounds like this guy tried to have both and the inevitable happened.
 

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Anytime a coach leaves for another job there is always going to be those "we didn't like you either" people. Rick Pitino in 1997 was the most beloved figure maybe ever by BBN. But when he left to go to Boston, there was a segment of people around the basketball program that wanted to badmouth that he was rude, aloof, arrogant (all of which was probably true) but that Tubby Smith would be an upgrade because we'd get all the great things about Rick with none of the bad (absolutely not true).
 
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The "hate" probably exists from some of the paragraph above and a lot of thinking Pope wasn't winning enough. He won zero conference titles (regular season or tournament) and zero NCAAT games in five years there. BYU is accustomed to more than that. His replacement did more in one year than Pope did there in five.

BYU isn't accustomed to more than that.

Before this season, they were last in the Sweet 16 in 2011. Before that? 1981.

4 total NCAA wins since 1993, one of which was in the First Four.

I'm sure there were plenty of internal politics involved and the expectation level rose after his success during his final two years there, but BYU fans "being accustomed to more than" what Pope did wasn't part of it.
 

RexBowie

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The "hate" probably exists from some of the paragraph above and a lot of thinking Pope wasn't winning enough. He won zero conference titles (regular season or tournament) and zero NCAAT games in five years there. BYU is accustomed to more than that. His replacement did more in one year than Pope did there in five.

His replacement did that largely with guys Pope brought in during a multi-year rebuild. Also, when Kentucky took Pope it led to a flood of money across 3 programs: Kentucky, Arkansas, BYU.

Why is that you ask? Terrific question.

When the Kentucky job came open it increased pressure from incoming coaches to guarantee minimum NIL's. This is one advantage of a coaching change during the NIL era in that it forces administrations to ante up. It was even further exacerbated due to the Kentucky job coming open, leading to high dollar figure guarantees.

I couldn't disagree more with some of your other takes. Too positive? Please. You don't lose games because you're "too positive". You're just picking a personality trait and attributing that to any thing that goes wrong instead of x's, o's and actual production.
 

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BYU isn't accustomed to more than that.

Before this season, they were last in the Sweet 16 in 2011. Before that? 1981.

4 total NCAA wins since 1993, one of which was in the First Four.

I'm sure there were plenty of internal politics involved and the expectation level rose after his success during his final two years there, but BYU fans "being accustomed to more than" what Pope did wasn't part of it.
Fair enough. That part is probably a bit unfair. I think Pope's five years looked a bit like Dave Rose's final five or so. Which is probably why Rose "retired" when he did. Rose lifted expectations, but then failed to meet the expectations he was responsible for lifting.
 

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His replacement did that largely with guys Pope brought in during a multi-year rebuild. Also, when Kentucky took Pope it led to a flood of money across 3 programs: Kentucky, Arkansas, BYU.
I actually totally agree with all of this. I almost included in my post that I think all three programs are better off, in the weirdest way possible.
I couldn't disagree more with some of your other takes. Too positive? Please. You don't lose games because you're "too positive". You're just picking a personality trait and attributing that to any thing that goes wrong instead of x's, o's and actual production.
You're misinterpreting what I said. That was said completely in reference to the "fake" comments. That's all. I agree, it has nothing or next to nothing to do with winning actual games. I do, however, see where it can wear super (pun completely intended) thin for some folks. There's a big, big difference in "being positive" and being disingenuous. I'm not saying that is Pope, but I can completely see where some could draw that conclusion, especially after numerous years of the same type of thing.
 

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BYU isn't accustomed to more than that.

Before this season, they were last in the Sweet 16 in 2011. Before that? 1981.

4 total NCAA wins since 1993, one of which was in the First Four.

I'm sure there were plenty of internal politics involved and the expectation level rose after his success during his final two years there, but BYU fans "being accustomed to more than" what Pope did wasn't part of it.

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In the modern era, BYU had received an NCAA seed higher than #6 exactly twice before Pope arrived - 1988 & 2011. Pope got them a #6 seed twice in 21 & 24. Their new coach is riding his coattails and the wave of NIL funding that seems to have been injected there recently, probably in an effort to retain the momentum they had under Pope.
 
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100%. I’m sure they all like Pope quite a bit. But BYU basketball is in a far better place today than they were ever gonna be if he stayed there.


I don’t know about this take since Pope, unlike Calipari, only took 1 of his players. 5 of their top 6-7 were holdovers. They lost Waterman to UL too.

So if you put Robinson in place of Demin and add, say, Amari Williams in place of Keita, BYU under Pope would’ve had just as good if not a better season than Young had. Also they probably would’ve kept Waterman too for that matter.

Now the 25/26 season would be far different. So they may be better off in the long run, but Pope had a near sure thing going for 24/25.
 
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