Trump Administration Proposes Big Cuts In Medical Research

bamaEER

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This budget is like everything else he has done. Keeping his stupid promise to his ignorant supporters while pushing forth policies that are not only bad for the country but also unrealistic and unreasonable.
I still haven't heard why that 10% increase came about. Our military budget is already larger than everyone else's combined. How was that 10% derived?
 
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WVUBRU

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I still haven't heard why that 10% increase came about. Our budget is already larger than everyone else's combined. How was that 10% derived?
I don't know but he has talked about increasing the Navy and increasing nuclear firepower. Those are not cheap things.
 

Airport

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Medical research is highly overrated ... what good has ever come from medical research anyway?
So is foodstamps, welfare and other govt giveaways that have given the lower class people a reason to stay home, impregnate girls and start movements like BLM.
 

WhiteTailEER

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So is foodstamps, welfare and other govt giveaways that have given the lower class people a reason to stay home, impregnate girls and start movements like BLM.

Foodstamps = medical research = low class people .... got it
 

bamaEER

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So is foodstamps, welfare and other govt giveaways that have given the lower class people a reason to stay home, impregnate girls and start movements like BLM.
You equate food stamps to cancer research? You drink your lunch today?
 

Airport

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Foodstamps = medical research = low class people .... got it
Let big Pharma pay for the research, they are the ones going to keep the profits. That's the incentive they need to keep looking. I don't mind some govt funding, just not hand over fist.
 

bamaEER

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Let big Pharma pay for the research, they are the ones going to keep the profits. That's the incentive they need to keep looking. I don't mind some govt funding, just not hand over fist.
Doesn't work that way. Things like human genome project paved the way for thousands of medical molecular patents by Big Pharma. But without NIH, human genome project would never happen. Cutting this budget is a grave mistake.
 

WVPATX

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Doesn't work that way. Things like human genome project paved the way for thousands of medical molecular patents by Big Pharma. But without NIH, human genome project would never happen. Cutting this budget is a grave mistake.

The budget has not been cut. There is much work yet to be done in both the House and the Senate. This is a starting point. Patience. But make no mistake, we have to figure out some way to begin to slow down and reverse the irresponsible annual deficits rung up by Obama not to mention begin to pay down our nearly $20T in debt.
 

EEResistable

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I hate big government. Cut everything out except for homeland security and national defense. Give the rest back to the people that actually pay taxes.
 

WVPATX

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I hate big government. Cut everything out except for homeland security and national defense. Give the rest back to the people that actually pay taxes.

I think we could easily cut huge amounts from several departments like Education, Interior, Energy, EPA, IRS, State, etc. and not skip a beat.
 

bamaEER

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Good plan. We have a Baby Boomer problem and an overpopulation problem. If promised to add in Death Panels with this plan, I'd knock on doors for him to help sell it. Need to thin the herd.
And how was that 10% increase in military budget derived?
 

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the Air Force & Navy have HUNDREDS of planes grounded because there are NO PARTS...

obamapuppet tried to give the Kenyan military $200+M on his last day in office though...

shows the obamapuppets true self...
 

Boomboom521

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The budget has not been cut. There is much work yet to be done in both the House and the Senate. This is a starting point. Patience. But make no mistake, we have to figure out some way to begin to slow down and reverse the irresponsible annual deficits rung up by Obama not to mention begin to pay down our nearly $20T in debt.
So cut medical research? And increase the DOD budget?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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That's about what I expected, a meaningless answer.
Lol at Bru liking every post in opposition to me. What a sad little man he is.

As for you, I have no idea why 10%, seems like a dumb plan on the surface, maybe the idea is to reduce the Fed and have the states pick it up. I have no idea. I didn't even read the article.
 

atlkvb

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Foodstamps = medical research = low class people .... got it

The best research is funded by those who have a real need to research whatever it is they think is important enough to be paying for researching.
 
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eerdoc

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Biff wants to increase military spending by 10% but cut critical medical research by 20%. Yeah, good one.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...tration-proposes-big-cuts-in-medical-research
How many have era;;participated in 'supported" research programs? How many will be honest and acknowledge that a lot of the money spent added nothing to the knowledge base ? How many will abandon their spin motive and admit that a cut does, in no way, equal elimination? How many just want any excuse to spin any story so as to make DT look bad? Wgy not just grow up and give the man a real chance to improve that which most have been complaining about for years or decades?
 

Boomboom521

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How many have era;;participated in 'supported" research programs? How many will be honest and acknowledge that a lot of the money spent added nothing to the knowledge base ? How many will abandon their spin motive and admit that a cut does, in no way, equal elimination? How many just want any excuse to spin any story so as to make DT look bad? Wgy not just grow up and give the man a real chance to improve that which most have been complaining about for years or decades?
Like losing loved ones to cancer? Heart disease? Watching children disease rates increase steadily? How is it spin to want a portion of my tax revenue spent on seeking cures? How is it spin to say that if MORE money goes into funding, the result might be better? The right believes the same thing.....with defense, with the war on drugs, border protection, economic stimulation, and Christian values.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Let big Pharma pay for the research, they are the ones going to keep the profits. That's the incentive they need to keep looking. I don't mind some govt funding, just not hand over fist.

Big pharma aren't the only ones doing the research, far from it. There is tons of research going on at University Hospitals and in other places as well. It isn't just based on profit motives. You're a doctor, you know this.
 

Mntneer

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It's a good round number. Easy math. C'mon, man. Who cares? Spend and build, works for me!! Loving me some FedBizOps these days.
 

WhiteTailEER

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How many have era;;participated in 'supported" research programs? How many will be honest and acknowledge that a lot of the money spent added nothing to the knowledge base ? How many will abandon their spin motive and admit that a cut does, in no way, equal elimination? How many just want any excuse to spin any story so as to make DT look bad? Wgy not just grow up and give the man a real chance to improve that which most have been complaining about for years or decades?

Wow ... where to begin ...

As succinctly as I can put it ... Research drives innovation ... innovation keeps us ahead of the world.

Even if you want to look at military spending ... where do the ideas and innovations used in our increased technological advancements in weapons and sensor systems come from?

We don't "produce" much anymore. We do the heavy lifting in the realms of research and development and let other countries make the great stuff we come up with. Meanwhile we keep focusing on research and development and innovation on the next thing.

What happens to the quality of education in our Universities if funding for research is cut? Then what happens to us as a country when our Universities suffer?
 

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Like losing loved ones to cancer? Heart disease? Watching children disease rates increase steadily? How is it spin to want a portion of my tax revenue spent on seeking cures? How is it spin to say that if MORE money goes into funding, the result might be better? The right believes the same thing.....with defense, with the war on drugs, border protection, economic stimulation, and Christian values.

GOP wants to kill grandma. Get with the program.
 

mneilmont

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What happens to the quality of education in our Universities if funding for research is cut? Then what happens to us as a country when our Universities suffer?
Care to elaborate how quality of education is enhanced? The prof doing the research gains, but the students assigned to the profs class loses while the prof is away from classroom to do research.
 

Boomboom521

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Care to elaborate how quality of education is enhanced? The prof doing the research gains, but the students assigned to the profs class loses while the prof is away from classroom to do research.
Data is brought back isn't it?
 

eerdoc

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Wow ... where to begin ...

As succinctly as I can put it ... Research drives innovation ... innovation keeps us ahead of the world.

Even if you want to look at military spending ... where do the ideas and innovations used in our increased technological advancements in weapons and sensor systems come from?

We don't "produce" much anymore. We do the heavy lifting in the realms of research and development and let other countries make the great stuff we come up with. Meanwhile we keep focusing on research and development and innovation on the next thing.

What happens to the quality of education in our Universities if funding for research is cut? Then what happens to us as a country when our Universities suffer?
Nice discourse, but you avoided the tenants of my post (questions)? I (nor anyone else that I see) advocate eliminating research funding/ I have been there and know that a lot of the money so allocated is not leading to knowledge advancement. Some of the studies could be eliminated and no one would really notice (except for a very, very small fringe group of folks). even in the areas we all might consider valued there is a lot of research funding that goes to folks who do nearly nothing creative or inventive and, probably, should not be part of a research program. Many faculty use research funding to support them and allow them to avoid (or at least diminish) their teaching duties. Students attend a certain University because of the 'renowned' faculty and ,yet, these folks never interact with those students. The hired help (grad students) carry on the teaching (such that it is in many cases) and ale do little in the away of meaning investigation to earn the stipend they derive from the research grants. Much money could be, and should be, saved and directed toward meaningful production. This is what I said, and you avoided anything close to an intelligent discussion of these facts. You went off to the infinite limit rather than address practicality.Nice spin,. but meaningless discourse.
 

mneilmont

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Data is brought back isn't it?
My experience has been that instructor is out of classroom as instructor. A few years later, he writes a book and demand the class buy his transcript to proofread, and you are tested on both the textbook assigned and his new transcript.

Now how did the class that lost his instruction time while out researching benefit? How did the class benefit who bought his transcript. Spending time with transcript took away time from the assigned textbook that had been approved by the university to be the best/most appropriate for the class that was being offered. How is the University actually enhanced because the instructor is now published?
 

Boomboom521

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My experience has been that instructor is out of classroom as instructor. A few years later, he writes a book and demand the class buy his transcript to proofread, and you are tested on both the textbook assigned and his new transcript.

Now how did the class that lost his instruction time while out researching benefit? How did the class benefit who bought his transcript. Spending time with transcript took away time from the assigned textbook that had been approved by the university to be the best/most appropriate for the class that was being offered. How is the University actually enhanced because the instructor is now published?
I guess those texts (in every subject) from 1955 are sufficient enough....waste of time to worry about the information that education is derivative from....we pay those daggum teachers to be teachin and they better be daggum teachin!
 

mneilmont

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I guess those texts (in every subject) from 1955 are sufficient enough....waste of time to worry about the information that education is derivative from....we pay those daggum teachers to be teachin and they better be daggum teachin!
I really have no problem if you want to get education from the matchbook cover classes, or if you prefer the TV courses. Yes, I paid for the instructor and would prefer to have an instructor in the classroom. I could have stayed home if I wanted correspondence courses. Really want good instructor to be in classroom and answer any question that arises in class.