Trump brings up the subject of Clinton and Rape.

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Finally, someone on the GOP side is going to hit the Dems hard, realizes it is all about winning, and not care about hurting the left's feelings.
 

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Finally, someone on the GOP side is going to hit the Dems hard, realizes it is all about winning, and not care about hurting the left's feelings.
Oh goodness lol. Is he confused about who's running for prez? You'd think that he'd pick at Hillary first. Who really cares about Bill's womanizing? What does that have to do with what kind of prez Hillary would be? I'd expect this seemingly desperate smear attempt in the last month of the race not right out the gate. Trump better have better ammo than this or he's worse off than I thought.
 

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Oh goodness lol. Is he confused about who's running for prez? You'd think that he'd pick at Hillary first. Who really cares about Bill's womanizing? What does that have to do with what kind of prez Hillary would be? I'd expect this seemingly desperate smear attempt in the last month of the race not right out the gate. Trump better have better ammo than this or he's worse off than I thought.

Bigger picture - can Hillary and the rest of the Dimocrats claim that Trump/GOP is waging a war on women, when Hillary has helped to cover up Bill's alleged sexual crimes?
 

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Any potentially effective mudslinging would have to start with proving this.

Bill rode around on a convicted pedophile's plane, that was equipped for in air sex, without secret service protection, no small feat to kick the secret service off a plane. Spent time on the island of orgy. I guess Hilliary didn't mind, she never seemed to care what ole Bill was doing as long as he didn't get caught.
 

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Any potentially effective mudslinging would have to start with proving this.
Proof may be difficult? Paula Jones was paid $800,000, and Hillary said they were broke. That was just another Stand By Your Man moment? Nothing proven - just want to protect the name of a man who had just been impeached?

Hillary is going to negotiate for our country and couldn't get Paula to accept "time payments" from someone who was about to become millionaire hundreds of times over.
 

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Bigger picture - can Hillary and the rest of the Dimocrats claim that Trump/GOP is waging a war on women, when Hillary has helped to cover up Bill's alleged sexual crimes?
You don't really think Trump can win women voters, do you? He has a 73% unfavorable rating among women.
 

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Bill rode around on a convicted pedophile's plane, that was equipped for in air sex, without secret service protection, no small feat to kick the secret service off a plane. Spent time on the island of orgy. I guess Hilliary didn't mind, she never seemed to care what ole Bill was doing as long as he didn't get caught.
And this proves what? What exactly do you mean the plane was equipped for air sex? What in the world is that? Plenty of people have joined the mile high club without specially equipped planes.
 

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And this proves what? What exactly do you mean the plane was equipped for air sex? What in the world is that? Plenty of people have joined the mile high club without specially equipped planes.
Yes, those ladies of Mile High Club are attractive and rumored to be of age.
 

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And this proves what? What exactly do you mean the plane was equipped for air sex? What in the world is that? Plenty of people have joined the mile high club without specially equipped planes.

Not in a convicted pedophile's plane! The guy also has his own island known as Orgy Island. Do you think it's common place for the POTUS to kick his ss protection detail off of private transportation?
 

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You don't really think Trump can win women voters, do you? He has a 73% unfavorable rating among women.

Most of the jobs lost in the last 8 years have been by women. That should help but if women are looking for free stuff, then, no it won't help. I just hope for the country's sake that there are enough women who still believe that they should pay for some of their stuff.
 

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Most of the jobs lost in the last 8 years have been by women. That should help but if women are looking for free stuff, then, no it won't help. I just hope for the country's sake that there are enough women who still believe that they should pay for some of their stuff.
We've gained jobs the last 8 years, but keep repeating the same tired lines.
 

mneilmont

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We've gained jobs the last 8 years, but keep repeating the same tired lines.
Women and Blacks have lost ground under Obama? If the minorities are stupid enough to vote for more of the same in Obama's 3rd term, or Hillary's desire to continue Obama good record, they deserve what they get.
But, the shining light is she has appointed the first Czar of her administration. She wants Slick Willie as her Economic Czar. Will she try to get Newt back in to pull the administration toward the center? It does not work if Hillary, like Obama, has no center genes in her body. Or, you can get both houses of congress with veto proof margins and do it alone. Elections have consequences.
 

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We've gained jobs the last 8 years, but keep repeating the same tired lines.
If you are really honest and check, we are back to the same number of employed that there was in 2008. Now, assuming the population has increased, we have a net loss. People are working less hours and taking home 10% less. Facts are the facts. Each Admin spins, this one has caused a tornado with amount of spin on jobs and honesty. The facts say that women have lost the majority of jobs.
 

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what kind of jobs were gained? and what is the labor participation rate? oh and how is wage growth coming along?

We are back to the same level of employment that we were at in 2008. If the population has increased, it has, we have a net loss. Women have lost more jobs than men. Facts are hard to argue but they will, none the less.
 

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what kind of jobs were gained? and what is the labor participation rate? oh and how is wage growth coming along?
How many times are we going to keep changing the subject in one thread?

what kind of jobs were gained?
Paying ones? I don't understand the question

and what is the labor participation rate?
Pretty low, but it's because a multitude of factors and not just because those dem voters be lazy
oh and how is wage growth coming along?
Pretty good
 

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How many times are we going to keep changing the subject in one thread?


Paying ones? I don't understand the question


Pretty low, but it's because a multitude of factors and not just because those dem voters be lazy

Pretty good
Wait till the Obamacare crap kicks in after he is gone. That graph will go in the other direction. In case you can't read, the high point is still below where Obama came into office. So, what we have said is the truth. It's still lower and people are working fewer hours.
 

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If you are really honest and check, we are back to the same number of employed that there was in 2008. Now, assuming the population has increased, we have a net loss. People are working less hours and taking home 10% less. Facts are the facts. Each Admin spins, this one has caused a tornado with amount of spin on jobs and honesty. The facts say that women have lost the majority of jobs.
Hmmmm. It's almost as though some major economic event happened around 2008. It's not the greatest recovery ever, but it is a recovery. Could it have gone better? Yep. Could it have gone worse? Absofkinlutely.
 

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And this proves what? What exactly do you mean the plane was equipped for air sex? What in the world is that? Plenty of people have joined the mile high club without specially equipped planes.

The man's name is Jeffrey Epstien, a convicted pedophile and his plane is dubbed, "The Lolita Express" and his private island is "Orgy Island". I would be careful defending this guy, if I were you. He has a really bad history.
 

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In case you can't read, the high point is still below where Obama came into office.
That's disingenuous crap. No point in even talking to you on here since apparently you think the economy works in a vacuum.

I hope you enjoy Madam President.
 

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How many times are we going to keep changing the subject in one thread?


Paying ones? I don't understand the question


Pretty low, but it's because a multitude of factors and not just because those dem voters be lazy

Pretty good
Actually looks rather anemic compared to prior two office holders. And it only took 7 years and trillions of debt to get it jump started. Without looking, may I assume the top 5% is getting the lion's share of the current bump? Wild guess.
 

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Hmmmm. It's almost as though some major economic event happened around 2008. It's not the greatest recovery ever, but it is a recovery. Could it have gone better? Yep. Could it have gone worse? Absofkinlutely.

Only under a socialist, which we have, could it be this slow. You want an accurate correlation, look back at another socialist who had the same results. FDR and his policies were awful and the country in three terms never improved because socialism doesn't work. only Ww2 brought us out of the depression. As everybody has said accurately, this is the worse recovery ever. There's a reason and Obama is it. The slow bleed of the patient in not bankrupting all those homeowners at once really slowed the recovery.
 

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That's disingenuous crap. No point in even talking to you on here since apparently you think the economy works in a vacuum.

I hope you enjoy Madam President.
Ignore the real facts. People take home pay is 10% less, work fewer hours and have yet to face the real problems of the aCA because it has been postponed until after he leaves office for the next President to deal with.
 

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Actually looks rather anemic compared to prior two office holders. And it only took 7 years and trillions of debt to get it jump started. Without looking, may I assume the top 5% is getting the lion's share of the current bump? Wild guess.
It dropped under Bush. Plummeted. It did take 7 years and trillions of debt, you do remember 2008-2009, no?
 

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Only under a socialist, which we have, could it be this slow. You want an accurate correlation, look back at another socialist who had the same results. FDR and his policies were awful and the country in three terms never improved because socialism doesn't work. only Ww2 brought us out of the depression. As everybody has said accurately, this is the worse recovery ever. There's a reason and Obama is it. The slow bleed of the patient in not bankrupting all those homeowners at once really slowed the recovery.
LOL. Cool story.
 

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Actually looks rather anemic compared to prior two office holders. And it only took 7 years and trillions of debt to get it jump started. Without looking, may I assume the top 5% is getting the lion's share of the current bump? Wild guess.
Shovel ready wasn't shovel ready! Liberals will argue until they are blue in the face because they are smarter than the rest of us. The facts prove they are wrong and always have been.
 

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The man's name is Jeffrey Epstien, a convicted pedophile and his plane is dubbed, "The Lolita Express" and his private island is "Orgy Island". I would be careful defending this guy, if I were you. He has a really bad history.
Who's defending him? The thing you have to show is that Bill knew all of that before he ever got on the plane. You are using guilt by association, an that a dangerous road for anyone to go down. Trump was building stuff in Atlantic City, and the mob stuff in that town, especially in construction, was notorious. Does that mean that Trump did anything wrong while working that town? No. But if we are playing guilt by association, Trump isn't innocent either.
 

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Ignore the real facts. People take home pay is 10% less, work fewer hours and have yet to face the real problems of the aCA because it has been postponed until after he leaves office for the next President to deal with.
Where are you coming up with this, "People take home pay is 10% less"? You claim it's a "real fact" (lol) but I can't find it with the google machine, so I'll wait for you to cite it.

People work fewer hours.....ok....is it by choice? Is it because of technology? Is it societal? Is it because 0bama promised all the dims gold?
 

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It dropped under Bush. Plummeted. It did take 7 years and trillions of debt, you do remember 2008-2009, no?
Not everybody should own a home. Another fine mess that Congress got us into. Interest only loans for houses. Brilliant!
 

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Hmmmm. It's almost as though some major economic event happened around 2008. It's not the greatest recovery ever, but it is a recovery. Could it have gone better? Yep. Could it have gone worse? Absofkinlutely.
Could it have gone worse? Could it have gone better. Yes both are possibilities. I have a theory that had the government gotten out of the way the economy would have turned itself around. You probably share Krudman's theory that the government didn't do enough.

The stimulus to the money market was turned around with 2008 stimulus. Banks were encouraged to sell houses to people who could not afford them. Economic downturn and those underwater loans were faulted. Loans were packaged and sold without proper investigation by rating agencies. Commercial banks cut loans again to those who could put 20% down. Industrial institutions not regulated as closely went broke.

Loans for any purpose dried up. Gov paid large amount to allow banks to remove these holding from their financials.

Unemployment was still under 7% at end of 4th quarter. Lot of people still working. 2009 budget passed and signed by Obama in 2009. More stimulus money made available in different projects to stimulate economy. Damned little spent on infrastructure. Large portion spent to pay back political cronies which had not stimulative effect. Excessive spending and lower revenue resulted in $1.4 trillion deficit for 2009. Ten year projection didn't look promising. Prudent business people did not chose to plow profits back into expansion for the gloomy economic future. EPA stepped up their curbing activities instead of loosening the agency rules. Obama wanted to create a "green economy" and do away with fossil fuels.
 

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Who's defending him? The thing you have to show is that Bill knew all of that before he ever got on the plane. You are using guilt by association, an that a dangerous road for anyone to go down. Trump was building stuff in Atlantic City, and the mob stuff in that town, especially in construction, was notorious. Does that mean that Trump did anything wrong while working that town? No. But if we are playing guilt by association, Trump isn't innocent either.
In today's sound bite world or the Facebook informed, do you really think it's required to be true prior to stating it? Burden of proof is on the accused in this day and age of social media justice. These are the rules the left created, now they're gonna have to deal with it.
 

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Who's defending him? The thing you have to show is that Bill knew all of that before he ever got on the plane. You are using guilt by association, an that a dangerous road for anyone to go down. Trump was building stuff in Atlantic City, and the mob stuff in that town, especially in construction, was notorious. Does that mean that Trump did anything wrong while working that town? No. But if we are playing guilt by association, Trump isn't innocent either.
Having to work with unions who are corrupt while building things is hardly the same as requesting that secret service not go along because if they saw something illegal, such as underage sex, then they would be obligated to report it or face a felony themselves. If you think those two things are the same, it's your prerogative. Who know, trump may have taken a ride on it too.
 

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Could it have gone worse? Could it have gone better. Yes both are possibilities. I have a theory that had the government gotten out of the way the economy would have turned itself around. You probably share Krudman's theory that the government didn't do enough.
I assume you mean Krugman? I loathe Krugman, so try again. I do think government can play a key role, I just think they were less than ideal coming out of the 08 collapse.
 

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Any potentially effective mudslinging would have to start with proving this.

It's a matter of public record. Start with Christopher Hitchens' book "No One Left to Lie To." The book isn't solely about the sex scandals--it's a rather rounded excoriation of the Clintons from the left, not from the right. But the facts germane to this particular accusation are not secret and Hitchens lays out the case very clearly. I loathe Trump as much as probably anyone on earth, but he is right on the money with this particular line of criticism. If Hillary were half the feminist she claims to be, she would not be an apologist for this sort of behavior by Bill and at a minimum, would have at some point apologized to the victims and disavowed herself from the shameful character assassinations that she helped to coordinate.
 

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It's a matter of public record. Start with Christopher Hitchens' book "No One Left to Lie To." The book isn't solely about the sex scandals--it's a rather rounded excoriation of the Clintons from the left, not from the right. But the facts germane to this particular accusation are not secret and Hitchens lays out the case very clearly. I loathe Trump as much as probably anyone on earth, but he is right on the money with this particular line of criticism. If Hillary were half the feminist she claims to be, she would not be an apologist for this sort of behavior by Bill and at a minimum, would have at some point apologized to the victims and disavowed herself from the shameful character assassinations that she helped to coordinate.
How many women is he alleged to have raped? Why is BC not in prison? I realize it's quite a journey from the act to prison time for the perpetrator and due to many reasons the criminal is often not punished.
 

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How many women is he alleged to have raped? Why is BC not in prison? I realize it's quite a journey from the act to prison time for the perpetrator and due to many reasons the criminal is often not punished.

As someone who never voted for Bill, I hope that none of our Presidents ever end up in prison, rightly or wrongly.