Trump eliminating funding for social programs supporting laid-off coal miners

[Best Virginia]

... but say's he will kill the ozone with his hairspray so it's all good. lol

President Donald has proposed eliminating funding for social programs supporting laid-off coal miners and others in Appalachia, stirring fears in a region that supported him of another letdown on the heels of the coal industry’s collapse.

The 2018 budget proposal submitted to Congress by the White House on Thursday would cut funds to the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) and the U.S. Economic Development Administration. The Washington-based organizations are charged with diversifying the economies of states like West Virginia and Kentucky to help them recover from coal’s decline.


The proposed cuts would save the federal government $340 million and come as the Republican president seeks to slash a wide array of federal programs and regulations to make way for increased military spending.


But they are perceived by some in Appalachia as a betrayal of his promises to help coal miners.


“Folks that live in Appalachia believe that the ARC belongs to them,” said federal ARC Co-Chair Earl Gohl, bemoaning the proposed cut. “It’s really their organization.”




Donald Trump talks about hairspray to coal miners
May. 07, 2016 - 6:37 - 'Red Eye' panel reacts to the candidate's comments about the ozone layer

 

[atlkvb]

funding for social programs supporting laid-off coal miners

It's called jobs Best Virginia. Pays better than Government handouts, and leaves no deficit residue.

 

[Best Virginia]

It's called jobs Best Virginia. Pays better than Government handouts, and leaves no deficit residue.

Not my worry. I was good before Donnie and I'll be good after. Donnie's WV hair club for men might care though. A lot of West Virginians are counting on Donnie to bring golden prosperity to their doorstep.

 

[atlkvb]

Not my worry. I was good before Donnie and I'll be good after. Donnie's WV hair club for men might care though. A lot of WV'ians are counting on Donnie to bring golden prosperity to their doorstep.

I'm sure you'll give him proper thanks when he does Best Va. Nothing works like work. Government employees should try it sometime.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[atlkvb]

the economic crisis he allowed to happen,

I'd sure like to see that legislation Boom...Oh wait...it wasn't misguided Government meddling after all?

that dominated Obama's agenda for most of his first term?

Obama was the one who promised all the fixes to the mess he claimed he inherited. He didn't know what he was getting into boom?

the war with Iraq that Bush started and couldn't clean up

We had an international and bi partisan coalition to defeat Iraq. Democrats voted with Republicans overwhelmingly for War authorizations both times, and we completed our objectives and stabilized the War zone as well as Iraq. That's why Obama said we could leave. Was he wrong or just lying boomer?

Or the overall lack of credibility that Bush caused world leaders to have for the US?

Our credibility backing our allies was never stronger during Bush, never weaker after 8 years of Obama.Who built that international coalition I mentioned in this post boom? Obama?

Or the illegal prison that Bush set up?

In War, when prisoners are captured, you need a place to put them boomer. We had one, a good one. Still is, and is still open despite Obama's promises to close it. He didn't.

Or the torture practices?

Wanna tell the lives of Americans who were saved from those enhanced interrogations the information gathered to save them was worthless? Does your boy "get" Bin Laden without that intel gathered from the so called "torture"?

Or the patriot act violations of civil liberties that Bush enacted?

Obama of course shut all of that apparatus down when he came in right boomer? He never "spied" on anyone or listened in on any private conversations or authorized any uses of meta data right boom?

All of which Obama had to undo during his Presidency?

This is why the American people gave their overwhelming support to his overall effectiveness, and gave his predecessor a rousing endorsement for his 3rd term?

 

[Best Virginia]

I'm sure you'll give him proper thanks when he does Best Va. Nothing works like work. Government employees should try it sometime.

I hear Donnie needs an English interpreter because he keeps getting words mixed up with their definitions AND he can't spell. Maybe some West Virginians could teach him 3rd grade English. Now there's a job with prosperity.[roll]

"Catt" "Dogg" "Tapp" DonnieJ

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'd sure like to see that legislation Boom...Oh wait...it wasn't misguided Government meddling after all?



Obama was the one who promised all the fixes to the mess he claimed he inherited. He didn't know what he was getting into boom?



We had an international and bi partisan coalition to defeat Iraq. Democrats voted with Republicans overwhelmingly for War authorizations both times, and we completed our objectives and stabilized the War zone as well as Iraq. That's why Obama said we could leave. Was he wrong or just lying boomer?



Our credibility backing our allies was never stronger during Bush, never weaker after 8 years of Obama.Who built that international coalition I mentioned in this post boom? Obama?



In War, when prisoners are captured, you need a place to put them boomer. We had one, a good one. Still is, and is still open despite Obama's promises to close it. He didn't.



Wanna tell the lives of Americans who were saved from those enhanced interrogations the information gathered to save them was worthless? Does your boy "get" Bin Laden without that intel gathered from the so called "torture"?



Obama of course shut all of that apparatus down when he came in right boomer? He never "spied" on anyone or listened in on any private conversations or authorized any uses of meta data right boom?



This is why the American people gave their overwhelming support to his overall effectiveness, and gave his predecessor a rousing endorsement for his 3rd term?

This pretty much sums up the required response to Booms moronic leftist propaganda.

 

[atlkvb]

I hear Donnie needs an English interpreter because he keeps getting words mixed up with their definitions AND he can't spell. Maybe some West Virginians could teach him 3rd grade English. Now there's a job with prosperity.[roll]

"Catt" "Dogg" "Tapp" DonnieJ

That's real cute Best Virginia, but know what he's proven he can do better than you?

Count all the dollars he's earned. Can you match him on that?

How much more than minimum wage do you earn Best Virginia? What's your net worth?

How many people are on your payroll?

 

[moe]

... but say's he will kill the ozone with his hairspray so it's all good. lol

President Donald has proposed eliminating funding for social programs supporting laid-off coal miners and others in Appalachia, stirring fears in a region that supported him of another letdown on the heels of the coal industry’s collapse.

The 2018 budget proposal submitted to Congress by the White House on Thursday would cut funds to the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) and the U.S. Economic Development Administration. The Washington-based organizations are charged with diversifying the economies of states like West Virginia and Kentucky to help them recover from coal’s decline.


The proposed cuts would save the federal government $340 million and come as the Republican president seeks to slash a wide array of federal programs and regulations to make way for increased military spending.


But they are perceived by some in Appalachia as a betrayal of his promises to help coal miners.


“Folks that live in Appalachia believe that the ARC belongs to them,” said federal ARC Co-Chair Earl Gohl, bemoaning the proposed cut. “It’s really their organization.”




Donald Trump talks about hairspray to coal miners
May. 07, 2016 - 6:37 - 'Red Eye' panel reacts to the candidate's comments about the ozone layer

Little Donnie says f*ck you to Appalachian coal miners and residents and thanks for voting for me.

 

[atlkvb]

Little Donnie says f*ck you to Appalachian coal miners and residents and thanks for voting for me.

No moe. He told them good paying jobs doing what they are trained to do (mining coal) are better than Welfare checks or promises of building solar panels for our future Moon colonizations.

 

[moe]

No moe. He told them good paying jobs doing what they are trained to do (mining coal) are better than Welfare checks or promises of building solar panels for our future Moon colonizations.

Where are these jobs? The voters will remember how he lied then took away the safety net and job retraining. At least Bernie Sanders held a town hall in McDowell County recently. Acting like you care and calling attention to the plight of rural people means something. I don't expect to see the so called prez in WV any time soon.

 

[bamaEER]

Where are these jobs? The voters will remember how he lied then took away the safety net and job retraining. At least Bernie Sanders held a town hall in McDowell County recently. Acting like you care and calling attention to the plight of rural people means something. I don't expect to see the so called prez in WV any time soon.

"time will tell" is about to happen in WV. There is no economic model where thousands of coal jobs materialize out of the blue because Biff dismantles the EPA. WVians are about to see the truth behind this fictitious campaign promise.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

No moe. He told them good paying jobs doing what they are trained to do (mining coal) are better than Welfare checks or promises of building solar panels for our future Moon colonizations.

"time will tell" is about to happen in WV. There is no economic model where thousands of coal jobs materialize out of the blue because Biff dismantles the EPA. WVians are about to see the truth behind this fictitious campaign promise.

"EIA expects growth in coal-fired electricity generation to contribute to a 4% increase in coal production in 2017. Coal production is expected to be unchanged in 2018. EIA estimates the delivered coal price averaged $2.11/MMBtu in 2016, a 5% decline from the 2015 price. Coal prices are forecast to increase in 2017 and 2018 to $2.17/MMBtu and $2.21/MMBtu, respectively.”

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/coal.cfm

 

[WVUCOOPER]

"EIA expects growth in coal-fired electricity generation to contribute to a 4% increase in coal production in 2017. Coal production is expected to be unchanged in 2018. EIA estimates the delivered coal price averaged $2.11/MMBtu in 2016, a 5% decline from the 2015 price. Coal prices are forecast to increase in 2017 and 2018 to $2.17/MMBtu and $2.21/MMBtu, respectively.”

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/coal.cfm

2018 doesn't look too promising for the Appalachian region. This has to be FAKE NEWS

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

2018 doesn't look too promising for the Appalachian region. This has to be FAKE NEWS

Still a lot better than 2015 or 2016.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Still a lot better than 2015 or 2016.

Not really.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Still a lot better than 2015 or 2016.

4% = a lot? And at 5% lower prices? The companies will be looking to make up that difference someplace

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

4% = a lot? And at 5% lower prices? The companies will be looking to make up that difference someplace

The price decline was from 2015 to 2016. The next two years there are anticipated price increases.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

4% = a lot? And at 5% lower prices? The companies will be looking to make up that difference someplace

Price is expected to go up from $2.17 to $2.21 in 2017 and 2018.

 

[Mntneer]

Are they cuts or are they reductions in increased growth that the left has always spun as "cuts".

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Not really.

That's just regarding increased coal use in power plants. Do you think the requirements to use US steel for government projects will increase WV coal production?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

That's just regarding increased coal use in power plants. Do you think the requirements to use US steel for government projects will increase WV coal production?

If those projects happen I think it would help WV coal production.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

"EIA expects growth in coal-fired electricity generation to contribute to a 4% increase in coal production in 2017. Coal production is expected to be unchanged in 2018. EIA estimates the delivered coal price averaged $2.11/MMBtu in 2016, a 5% decline from the 2015 price. Coal prices are forecast to increase in 2017 and 2018 to $2.17/MMBtu and $2.21/MMBtu, respectively.”

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/coal.cfm

Here is a very important stat you failed to mention from your source, which is a very good source by the way:

U.S. Coal Production (million short tons)
2015 2016 2017 2018
897.0 738.7 767.5 766.9

So, production in 2017 is not expected to even return to the 2015 level nor is the level in 2018 expected to return to the 2015 level, and in fact, 2018 is expected to be below 2017.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

If those projects happen I think it would help WV coal production.

http://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Coal&l=West+Virginia

 

[MountaineerWV]

It's called jobs Best Virginia. Pays better than Government handouts, and leaves no deficit residue.

Yeah, and what jobs are coming in to coal country? Cut the social programs for laid off miners, then put in more Walmarts and $9/hour jobs!!!!!!!! YIPPIE!!!!!!

 

[WVUCOOPER]

http://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Coal&l=West+Virginia

Lot of optimism. Not sure why you are running away from the forecasts you posted though? Those forecasts you posted are pretty bleak for Appalachian coal. I had hoped for better.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Lot of optimism. Not sure why you are running away from the forecasts you posted though? Those forecasts you posted are pretty bleak for Appalachian coal. I had hoped for better.

It's not as good as I had hoped either, but I also know those estimates are on the conservative side. Notice the production numbers factor in no increase in coal exports. That may be the case as the TPP is a goner. But there could be other opportunities as China is now where the US was in the 70s.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

It's not as good as I had hoped either, but I also know those estimates are on the conservative side. Notice the production numbers factor in no increase in coal exports. That may be the case as the TPP is a goner. But there could be other opportunities as China is now where the US was in the 70s.

Read this today too:

"Some coal companies will survive, and some could thrive. Metallurgical coal will be needed for steel both in India and China as well as in the United States, especially if there is a boost in infrastructure spending."

Pretty promising, until this:

"But in order to show profits, they will have to trim output from the oldest, least efficient mines in Appalachia (where Trump garnered crucial votes in the election) and shift their focus to the Illinois Basin and the Powder River Basin in Wyoming.

Those big open pit mines need fewer workers — doing nothing to help Trump bring back jobs for “our great miners.”

“A lot of people conflate two primary things: the coal industry and coal jobs,” said Chiza B. Vitta, a coal analyst at Standard & Poor’s. “Even if the coal industry were to do better, that doesn’t translate into coal jobs. Over time the process has become more and more efficient and they’re able to mine with fewer and fewer people working.”"

 

[atlkvb]

Read this today too:

"Some coal companies will survive, and some could thrive. Metallurgical coal will be needed for steel both in India and China as well as in the United States, especially if there is a boost in infrastructure spending."

Pretty promising, until this:

"But in order to show profits, they will have to trim output from the oldest, least efficient mines in Appalachia (where Trump garnered crucial votes in the election) and shift their focus to the Illinois Basin and the Powder River Basin in Wyoming.

Those big open pit mines need fewer workers — doing nothing to help Trump bring back jobs for “our great miners.”

“A lot of people conflate two primary things: the coal industry and coal jobs,” said Chiza B. Vitta, a coal analyst at Standard & Poor’s. “Even if the coal industry were to do better, that doesn’t translate into coal jobs. Over time the process has become more and more efficient and they’re able to mine with fewer and fewer people working.”"

Supply and demand Coop. Coal manufacturers had to adapt and become more efficient in their production with less people in order to survive under the harsher regulatory environment which demanded less coal and needed fewer people to produce what was demanded.

Now with greater demand there will be much greater need for increased production capacity, which means a need for not only more miners, but more mines. Give it time, we'll see those miners getting back to work very soon and it will be a good thing for them.

They will be happy, and needed.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Supply and demand Coop. Coal manufacturers had to adapt and become more efficient in their production with less people in order to survive under the harsher regulatory environment which demanded less coal and needed fewer people to produce what was demanded.

Now with greater demand there will be much greater need for increased production capacity, which means a need for not only more miners, but more mines. Give it time, we'll see those miners getting to work very soon and it will be a good thing.

They will be happy, and needed.

Right, except most experts in the industry don't agree with you. Even the one's that see a coal industry rebound don't see a coal jobs rebound.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...d727b644a0b_story.html?utm_term=.3ce5035829df

 

[atlkvb]

Right, except most experts in the industry don't agree with you. Even the one's that see a coal industry rebound don't see a coal jobs rebound.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...d727b644a0b_story.html?utm_term=.3ce5035829df

Hey Coop why is that whenever you post something about coal not making a comeback it's always from some Leftist source with a vested interest in not seeing that happen? I can link you to just as many investor websites, energy production companies, power generation subcontractors, and coal mining operators who are very bullish on coal's return and are in fact aggressively gearing up for it.

I would link you if I really thought you were interested in seeing coal making a nice comeback but I suspect you agree with the negative information you are always trying to prove about coal's bleak future and that's fine. However the people directly related to the industry do not share your pessimism and are busy getting ready to do huge new business in coal production, despite the Professors, environmental activists, or media scribes you keep linking us to to prove coal is finished.

I believe the coal folks.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Hey Coop why is that whenever you post something about coal not making a comeback it's always from some Leftist source with a vested interest in not seeing that happen? I can link you to just as many investor websites, energy production companies, power generation subcontractors, and coal mining operators who are very bullish on coal's return and are in fact aggressively gearing up for it.

Standard & Poor's is leftist? Citigroup is leftist? lol.

 

[bamaEER]

Standard & Poor's is leftist? Citigroup is leftist? lol.

Coop, It goes like this...
Right = Fox and Breitbart
Left = Everything else

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

So glad I put him on ignore. That level of stupidity is just intolerable.

 

[Mntneer]

Coop, It goes like this...
Right = Fox and Breitbart
Left = Everything else

Pretty much.

 

[atlkvb]

Standard & Poor's is leftist? Citigroup is leftist? lol.

Here Coop...this is what I think is some fair objective analysis on coal's both immediate and long term future

Short term:
https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/coal-outlook-2017/5698

Long term:
https://books.google.com/books?id=g...r companies are enthusiastic on coal?&f=false

 

[atlkvb]

So glad I put him on ignore. That level of stupidity is just intolerable.

Why do you read your own posts then?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Here Coop...this is what I think is some fair objective analysis on coal's both immediate and long term future

Short term:
https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/coal-outlook-2017/5698

Long term:
https://books.google.com/books?id=gFkZCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=which+power+companies+are+enthusiastic+on+coal?&source=bl&ots=cjgGzs0gfH&sig=5GGsl41uvgZrWMWl4XEMoIcaWxo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg4pyho97SAhXGQCYKHWiFCHgQ6AEIOTAF#v=onepage&q=which power companies are enthusiastic on coal?&f=false

From your first link:
`"This is why I’m expecting a short rally through the first half of 2017 at least.

But that’s as far out as I’m expecting this rally to go.

None of this is signaling a market recovery so much as a short-term rally that informed investors can prepare to take advantage of starting today."

How is this any different than anything else in this thread? This thread isn't about short term coal company bumps, it's about getting coal miners back to work. More specifically, for me at least, WV coal miners.

 

[atlkvb]

Coop, It goes like this...
Right = Fox and Breitbart
Left = Everything else

bamaEER if you're reading only Leftist web sites and comparing your level of knowledge on issues you receive from them against what you'd read opposite of their spin, you'd be amazed at how misinformed they are leaving you.

For instance, do you know what the current baseline is for the discretionary portion of the current FY budget Trump just submitted? Have any of the Leftist websites informed you what the actual percentage of cuts from that current services baseline is? Do you even know what a current services baseline is, and how it's calculated?

I read non Leftist websites and information sources and I'm well informed on this, as well as what the trajectory is of the current services funding in Trump's out years on his proposed budget outlays.

Why don't you know any of that bamaEER, if the Leftist websites you frequent are "informing" you?

Is this not important information?

What about the work being done to renegotiate our bilateral deals on nations involved in the former Trans Pacific Partnership? All the Leftist web sites and media sources have told you is that Trump killed it, but do you know what's replacing it? Have they reported on any of that bamaEER?

Or have they been telling you what the new rules will be under the revisions being planned for the AHCA? The Left wing media sites are simply pronouncing it "dead" or "in trouble", but are you aware of the internal negotiations taking place to work out the key provisions on medicaid, tax credits, insurance coverage options, block grant funding, tort reforms, and tax structures being erected in the legislation designed to offset spiraling health care delivery service costs?

I know what's being negotiated right now on those bamaEER, but I don't read the Left wing media. Why don't you suppose you know any of this reading them bamaEER? Who is not being served here by their information bamaEER, me or you?