Trump has a plan to change the tax code to make himself much, much richer

moe

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President Trump is planning to include a massive cut in the top tax rate on "pass-through" companies, from its current level of 39.6 percent to a mere 15 percent, the Wall Street Journal's Michael Bender and Richard Rubin report.

This will be sold as a boost for small businesses, and it is, but it is mostly a huge giveaway to the rich — including the president himself.

More than two-thirds of income at pass-through companies (so named because their structure makes them exempt from the corporate income tax, and their profits are instead taxed upon distribution to shareholders) goes to the
top 1 percent.
The plan creates a massive loophole with which ordinary people can evade taxes. Instead of just working for Vox.com, I could form DylanCorp LLC, contract with Vox to provide writing services, and pay a 15 percent rate on DylanCorp's earnings rather than my current 25 percent rate. For rich people paying a top rate of 39.6 percent (or the top individual rate of 33 percent that Trump proposed during the campaign), the incentive to do this will be even larger. A new study finds that when Kansas exempted pass-through income, the result wasn't more investment or growth but a surge in this kind of tax avoidance. This is not good policy.

It's also a really, really huge giveaway to Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, and the entire Trump family. The Trump Organization isn't a "C corporation." It doesn't pay corporate income tax. Instead, it's structured as a collection of pass-through enterprises, so the vast majority of income accruing to Trump and his family is taxed through this system. Trump almost certainly pays the 39.6 percent rate on his earnings, so he's cutting his own top tax rate by more than half. It's the most transparently self-interested policy he's proposed since taking office, and it will likely save him tens of millions of dollars.

Here's the thing, though. We don't know exactly how big a giveaway to Trump this is, because we don't know what's on his tax returns. We have no idea. We have a few details from his 2005 return, which suggests that he gets tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in pass-through income annually. That return also implied that without the alternative minimum tax, which Trump wants to repeal, he would have paid less than 3.5 percent of his income in federal income taxes. Cutting the pass-through rate while repealing the AMT would probably reduce his tax burden to roughly half that level. Instead of paying $38 million, he could've paid less than $3 million.

Those are rough figures, though, from just one year in Trump's life more than a decade ago. We know very little about the current state of Trump's finances. We don't know with any precision how much he makes from wages versus interest versus pass-through income. We don't know how much he's already paying in taxes on it. We don't know which tax credits and exemptions his corporate entities are taking advantage of, and how they'd be affected by the corporate tax changes embraced by Trump and House Republicans.

We don't know because Trump has refused to release his tax returns.

That's totally unprecedented. Trump is hardly the first Republican president to propose big, deficit-exploding, inequality-increasing tax cuts. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush did so as well. But they also released at least partial tax returns for every year they were in office. The public knew how they were making money. They knew where the money came from. They knew that, for example, Dick Cheney earned $36 million from the oil field company Halliburton upon leaving to become vice president.

Did knowing this stop the tax cuts? No. Nor did it stop Halliburton from allegedly receiving improper preferential treatment from Cheney and the White House once in office. But it let the public know what its officials had at stake in the policies for which they advocated. It helped watchdogs keep an eye out for malfeasance like Cheney's alleged preferential treatment of Halliburton. It helped the public sort out whether the president was acting in his own best interest or that of the nation.

That's an important kind of transparency. And it's especially important with this president, on this topic. Corporate tax reform is an arcane matter involving changes to dozens of highly specific and complicated tax provisions. And Trump's finances are vaster and more difficult to untangle than those of any president before him.

A lot of the concerns about Trump and corruption have been centered on flagrant violations, like using government resources to promote Trump resorts. That's undoubtedly bad and should be policed. But if you're a plutocrat bent on self-enrichment, there are more subtle, and more legal, ways to use the privileges of office to earn a lot more money. A paper by Berkeley economist Stefano DellaVigna and co-authors found that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's TV network, Mediaset, saw profits grow by at least €1 billion during his time as premier, not necessarily due to graft but because businesses shifted advertising to Mediaset as a way to lobby Berlusconi.

In the pass-through tax cut, Trump has found a similarly legal but still troubling way to use his powers to enrich himself. It's unquestionably legal, requiring as it does an act of Congress, and it applies to many other rich people too. But just because Republicans in Congress appear willing to enable this kind of self-serving tax legislation doesn't make it any less scandalous. Trump is trying to rearrange the tax code for personal benefit, and if he succeeds, he'll net more money that he ever could by just using the government to market his resorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/trum...ax-code-to-make-himself-much-much-richer.html
 

WVPATX

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It can be both beneficial to low and middle classes and obscenely beneficial to the rich.

Coop, when was the last time a poor guy got you a job? Tax cuts benefit everyone and since the rich pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in this country, a tax cut will certainly benefit them but not at the exclusion of the middle and lower classes.

I would argue that sending money to the government to decide what to do with it is far less efficient than letting people decide for themselves what to do with that money (save, invest, donate, etc.). Reagan proved that as all income brackets rose during his tenure. This meant, that yes, middle and lower income rose.

His tax plan for these deductions give more relief to low income people as are his plans for child care tax credits.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Coop, when was the last time a poor guy got you a job? Tax cuts benefit everyone and since the rich pay the overwhelming majority of taxes in this country, a tax cut will certainly benefit them but not at the exclusion of the middle and lower classes.

I would argue that sending money to the government to decide what to do with it is far less efficient than letting people decide for themselves what to do with that money (save, invest, donate, etc.). Reagan proved that as all income brackets rose during his tenure. This meant, that yes, middle and lower income rose.

His tax plan for these deductions give more relief to low income people as are his plans for child care tax credits.
Wasn't arguing against it, just stating both points can be true.
 

WVPATX

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Wasn't arguing against it, just stating both points can be true.

You said obscenely beneficial to the rich. Yet CNN says the benefits are targeted mostly at corporations and lower and middle income citizens with both lower rates and higher deductions, plus the child care credit.

Since the rich pay the vast majority of taxes in this country, it is simple math that lowering their rate from 39.6 to 33 will benefit them as well and that their dollar benefit will be significant since they pay the bulk of the taxes. That doesn't in any way make it "obscene", Imo.

I particularly like the small business tax break since the vast majority of jobs are created by small businesses.
 

WVUCOOPER

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You said obscenely beneficial to the rich. Yet CNN says the benefits are targeted mostly at corporations and lower and middle income citizens with both lower rates and higher deductions, plus the child care credit.

Since the rich pay the vast majority of taxes in this country, it is simple math that lowering their rate from 39.6 to 33 will benefit them as well and that their dollar benefit will be significant since they pay the bulk of the taxes. That doesn't in any way make it "obscene", Imo.

I particularly like the small business tax break since the vast majority of jobs are created by small businesses.
I haven't seen this particular plan, so I'm not sure if it obscenely benefits the rich, just said it could do both.
 

atlkvb

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It can be both beneficial to low and middle classes and obscenely beneficial to the rich.

If the Left didn't have "the evil rich" where would you get the money to redistribute to everyone else?
 

Boomboom521

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You said obscenely beneficial to the rich. Yet CNN says the benefits are targeted mostly at corporations and lower and middle income citizens with both lower rates and higher deductions, plus the child care credit.

Since the rich pay the vast majority of taxes in this country, it is simple math that lowering their rate from 39.6 to 33 will benefit them as well and that their dollar benefit will be significant since they pay the bulk of the taxes. That doesn't in any way make it "obscene", Imo.

I particularly like the small business tax break since the vast majority of jobs are created by small businesses.
You quote a lot of fake news to support your boy. I thought it was all 100% ant-Trump
 

atlkvb

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Not evil just obscenely greedy.

At least they earned what they have and weren't sticking their hands out waiting for some Democrat Pol to put something in it confiscated from someone else.

A Universal truth about the Left. None of them arguing for others to pay more sends in a dime extra beyond what the Law requires them to pay (if they even send in that much)

The same Leftists who insist the rest of us aren't paying our "fair share" never volunteer anything additional and itemize for every deduction they can find to keep what they've earned.

Let's see a show of hands on how many wealthy Leftists send in extra taxed money to pay their "fair share"?

How much extra do you send in Keyser76?

RPJ?

Coop?

Moe?

Best Virginia?

Any of you "itemize"? How many of you just pay your tax rate and don't claim any deductions to keep as much as you can?

C'mon...fess up.
 

atlkvb

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Not evil just obscenely greedy.

What's "greedy" about wanting to keep what you earn? At what amount does your "greed" barometer kick in?

Who should have what you've earned beyond your "greed" level?

Why?

Who is hurt if you keep what you've earned?

Why do you itemize your returns, aren't you being "greedy"?
 

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Not evil just obscenely greedy.
Other than your own laziness and fear, there is nothing stopping you from becoming one of the haves. Instead, you have chosen a life in Gov't work. Your lot in life is a lot like stocks. You took the low yield, low risk stock. You don't have to do much real work with it, don't have any real risk, no real pressure to deliver, and you get steady reliable income and benefits. Others take the aggressive approach, put our careers into the high risk, high yield stocks and hit the right play. It's a lot of pressure, we have to work against the volatility of market to get it right, bulls and bears depending on your sector, etc. Those who hit it well, reward themselves with a lavish lifestyle and enjoy their spoils. I can see why you would be envious of that on so many levels. Basically, you project anger on us because you were a *****. It's cool, I get it.
 

atlkvb

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Other than your own laziness and fear, there is nothing stopping you from becoming one of the haves. Instead, you have chosen a life in Gov't work. Your lot in life is a lot like stocks. You took the low yield, low risk stock. You don't have to do much real work with it, don't have any real risk, no real pressure to deliver, and you get steady reliable income and benefits. Others take the aggressive approach, put our careers into the high risk, high yield stocks and hit the right play. It's a lot of pressure, we have to work against the volatility of market to get it right, bulls and bears depending on your sector, etc. Those who hit it well, reward themselves with a lavish lifestyle and enjoy their spoils. I can see why you would be envious of that on so many levels. Basically, you project anger on us because you were a *****. It's cool, I get it.

What an awesome post!

If you are paid based on your actual performance against fierce competition you understand this perfectly.

If you are a sheltered and pampered Government bureaucrat, you despise being exposed like this post exposes you.

100% certified accuracy, and 100% sacrilege on the Left.
 

bornaneer

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"Not evil just obscenely greedy", "obscenely beneficial to the rich"........"obscenely benefits the rich" At least we know the latest far left "talking point" of the day.
 

atlkvb

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"Not evil just obscenely greedy", "obscenely beneficial to the rich"........"obscenely benefits the rich" At least we know the latest far left "talking point" of the day.

It's obscenely obscene in its obscenliness!
 

bornaneer

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President Trump is planning to include a massive cut in the top tax rate on "pass-through" companies, from its current level of 39.6 percent to a mere 15 percent, the Wall Street Journal's Michael Bender and Richard Rubin report.

This will be sold as a boost for small businesses, and it is, but it is mostly a huge giveaway to the rich — including the president himself.

More than two-thirds of income at pass-through companies (so named because their structure makes them exempt from the corporate income tax, and their profits are instead taxed upon distribution to shareholders) goes to the
top 1 percent.
The plan creates a massive loophole with which ordinary people can evade taxes. Instead of just working for Vox.com, I could form DylanCorp LLC, contract with Vox to provide writing services, and pay a 15 percent rate on DylanCorp's earnings rather than my current 25 percent rate. For rich people paying a top rate of 39.6 percent (or the top individual rate of 33 percent that Trump proposed during the campaign), the incentive to do this will be even larger. A new study finds that when Kansas exempted pass-through income, the result wasn't more investment or growth but a surge in this kind of tax avoidance. This is not good policy.

It's also a really, really huge giveaway to Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, and the entire Trump family. The Trump Organization isn't a "C corporation." It doesn't pay corporate income tax. Instead, it's structured as a collection of pass-through enterprises, so the vast majority of income accruing to Trump and his family is taxed through this system. Trump almost certainly pays the 39.6 percent rate on his earnings, so he's cutting his own top tax rate by more than half. It's the most transparently self-interested policy he's proposed since taking office, and it will likely save him tens of millions of dollars.

Here's the thing, though. We don't know exactly how big a giveaway to Trump this is, because we don't know what's on his tax returns. We have no idea. We have a few details from his 2005 return, which suggests that he gets tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in pass-through income annually. That return also implied that without the alternative minimum tax, which Trump wants to repeal, he would have paid less than 3.5 percent of his income in federal income taxes. Cutting the pass-through rate while repealing the AMT would probably reduce his tax burden to roughly half that level. Instead of paying $38 million, he could've paid less than $3 million.

Those are rough figures, though, from just one year in Trump's life more than a decade ago. We know very little about the current state of Trump's finances. We don't know with any precision how much he makes from wages versus interest versus pass-through income. We don't know how much he's already paying in taxes on it. We don't know which tax credits and exemptions his corporate entities are taking advantage of, and how they'd be affected by the corporate tax changes embraced by Trump and House Republicans.

We don't know because Trump has refused to release his tax returns.

That's totally unprecedented. Trump is hardly the first Republican president to propose big, deficit-exploding, inequality-increasing tax cuts. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush did so as well. But they also released at least partial tax returns for every year they were in office. The public knew how they were making money. They knew where the money came from. They knew that, for example, Dick Cheney earned $36 million from the oil field company Halliburton upon leaving to become vice president.

Did knowing this stop the tax cuts? No. Nor did it stop Halliburton from allegedly receiving improper preferential treatment from Cheney and the White House once in office. But it let the public know what its officials had at stake in the policies for which they advocated. It helped watchdogs keep an eye out for malfeasance like Cheney's alleged preferential treatment of Halliburton. It helped the public sort out whether the president was acting in his own best interest or that of the nation.

That's an important kind of transparency. And it's especially important with this president, on this topic. Corporate tax reform is an arcane matter involving changes to dozens of highly specific and complicated tax provisions. And Trump's finances are vaster and more difficult to untangle than those of any president before him.

A lot of the concerns about Trump and corruption have been centered on flagrant violations, like using government resources to promote Trump resorts. That's undoubtedly bad and should be policed. But if you're a plutocrat bent on self-enrichment, there are more subtle, and more legal, ways to use the privileges of office to earn a lot more money. A paper by Berkeley economist Stefano DellaVigna and co-authors found that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's TV network, Mediaset, saw profits grow by at least €1 billion during his time as premier, not necessarily due to graft but because businesses shifted advertising to Mediaset as a way to lobby Berlusconi.

In the pass-through tax cut, Trump has found a similarly legal but still troubling way to use his powers to enrich himself. It's unquestionably legal, requiring as it does an act of Congress, and it applies to many other rich people too. But just because Republicans in Congress appear willing to enable this kind of self-serving tax legislation doesn't make it any less scandalous. Trump is trying to rearrange the tax code for personal benefit, and if he succeeds, he'll net more money that he ever could by just using the government to market his resorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/trum...ax-code-to-make-himself-much-much-richer.html
You may want to consider the source of that tripe. Last evening I watched a PBS financial show produced by CNBC. They were on the attack about how Trumps immigration policy was causing a shortage of homes on the market and home sales were down. They interviewed a big builder in Denver who complained he could not afford to pay higher wages because of Trumps policies. They then reported the latest housing numbers and guess what? Home Sales Hit Ten-Year High in March.
 

bornaneer

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) April 25, 2017, at 10:03 a.m.
"The housing market continues to look quite good. Consumers also have more jobs and are getting higher wages, so they will likely increase their spending this year," said Gus Faucher, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group in Pittsburgh.
 

WVUCOOPER

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"Not evil just obscenely greedy", "obscenely beneficial to the rich"........"obscenely benefits the rich" At least we know the latest far left "talking point" of the day.
You Trump fans have completely misread my post. I'm stunned, to be honest.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I saw you had both positive and negative. I only was referring to the "obscenely" usage......just a jab so don't be stunned.
I was just merely pointing out both statements COULD be accurate. I have no idea what this plan looks like, so I wasn't commenting on it.
 

WVPATX

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When it is tax cuts only for the upper class and reducing their tax rate from 39.6% to 15%, it only benefits the middle class if you believe in trickle down economics.

They called Reagan trickle down and we have incredible growth, dramatically increased tax revenue and higher incomes for people in all income classes. The rate of 39.6% to 15% of for small businesses which create most of our jobs. You need to become more knowledgable about business and economics.
 

dave

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President Trump is planning to include a massive cut in the top tax rate on "pass-through" companies, from its current level of 39.6 percent to a mere 15 percent, the Wall Street Journal's Michael Bender and Richard Rubin report.

This will be sold as a boost for small businesses, and it is, but it is mostly a huge giveaway to the rich — including the president himself.

More than two-thirds of income at pass-through companies (so named because their structure makes them exempt from the corporate income tax, and their profits are instead taxed upon distribution to shareholders) goes to the
top 1 percent.
The plan creates a massive loophole with which ordinary people can evade taxes. Instead of just working for Vox.com, I could form DylanCorp LLC, contract with Vox to provide writing services, and pay a 15 percent rate on DylanCorp's earnings rather than my current 25 percent rate. For rich people paying a top rate of 39.6 percent (or the top individual rate of 33 percent that Trump proposed during the campaign), the incentive to do this will be even larger. A new study finds that when Kansas exempted pass-through income, the result wasn't more investment or growth but a surge in this kind of tax avoidance. This is not good policy.

It's also a really, really huge giveaway to Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, and the entire Trump family. The Trump Organization isn't a "C corporation." It doesn't pay corporate income tax. Instead, it's structured as a collection of pass-through enterprises, so the vast majority of income accruing to Trump and his family is taxed through this system. Trump almost certainly pays the 39.6 percent rate on his earnings, so he's cutting his own top tax rate by more than half. It's the most transparently self-interested policy he's proposed since taking office, and it will likely save him tens of millions of dollars.

Here's the thing, though. We don't know exactly how big a giveaway to Trump this is, because we don't know what's on his tax returns. We have no idea. We have a few details from his 2005 return, which suggests that he gets tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in pass-through income annually. That return also implied that without the alternative minimum tax, which Trump wants to repeal, he would have paid less than 3.5 percent of his income in federal income taxes. Cutting the pass-through rate while repealing the AMT would probably reduce his tax burden to roughly half that level. Instead of paying $38 million, he could've paid less than $3 million.

Those are rough figures, though, from just one year in Trump's life more than a decade ago. We know very little about the current state of Trump's finances. We don't know with any precision how much he makes from wages versus interest versus pass-through income. We don't know how much he's already paying in taxes on it. We don't know which tax credits and exemptions his corporate entities are taking advantage of, and how they'd be affected by the corporate tax changes embraced by Trump and House Republicans.

We don't know because Trump has refused to release his tax returns.

That's totally unprecedented. Trump is hardly the first Republican president to propose big, deficit-exploding, inequality-increasing tax cuts. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush did so as well. But they also released at least partial tax returns for every year they were in office. The public knew how they were making money. They knew where the money came from. They knew that, for example, Dick Cheney earned $36 million from the oil field company Halliburton upon leaving to become vice president.

Did knowing this stop the tax cuts? No. Nor did it stop Halliburton from allegedly receiving improper preferential treatment from Cheney and the White House once in office. But it let the public know what its officials had at stake in the policies for which they advocated. It helped watchdogs keep an eye out for malfeasance like Cheney's alleged preferential treatment of Halliburton. It helped the public sort out whether the president was acting in his own best interest or that of the nation.

That's an important kind of transparency. And it's especially important with this president, on this topic. Corporate tax reform is an arcane matter involving changes to dozens of highly specific and complicated tax provisions. And Trump's finances are vaster and more difficult to untangle than those of any president before him.

A lot of the concerns about Trump and corruption have been centered on flagrant violations, like using government resources to promote Trump resorts. That's undoubtedly bad and should be policed. But if you're a plutocrat bent on self-enrichment, there are more subtle, and more legal, ways to use the privileges of office to earn a lot more money. A paper by Berkeley economist Stefano DellaVigna and co-authors found that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's TV network, Mediaset, saw profits grow by at least €1 billion during his time as premier, not necessarily due to graft but because businesses shifted advertising to Mediaset as a way to lobby Berlusconi.

In the pass-through tax cut, Trump has found a similarly legal but still troubling way to use his powers to enrich himself. It's unquestionably legal, requiring as it does an act of Congress, and it applies to many other rich people too. But just because Republicans in Congress appear willing to enable this kind of self-serving tax legislation doesn't make it any less scandalous. Trump is trying to rearrange the tax code for personal benefit, and if he succeeds, he'll net more money that he ever could by just using the government to market his resorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/trum...ax-code-to-make-himself-much-much-richer.html
You are poor because you are stupid, not stupid because you are poor.
 

Airport

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President Trump is planning to include a massive cut in the top tax rate on "pass-through" companies, from its current level of 39.6 percent to a mere 15 percent, the Wall Street Journal's Michael Bender and Richard Rubin report.

This will be sold as a boost for small businesses, and it is, but it is mostly a huge giveaway to the rich — including the president himself.

More than two-thirds of income at pass-through companies (so named because their structure makes them exempt from the corporate income tax, and their profits are instead taxed upon distribution to shareholders) goes to the
top 1 percent.
The plan creates a massive loophole with which ordinary people can evade taxes. Instead of just working for Vox.com, I could form DylanCorp LLC, contract with Vox to provide writing services, and pay a 15 percent rate on DylanCorp's earnings rather than my current 25 percent rate. For rich people paying a top rate of 39.6 percent (or the top individual rate of 33 percent that Trump proposed during the campaign), the incentive to do this will be even larger. A new study finds that when Kansas exempted pass-through income, the result wasn't more investment or growth but a surge in this kind of tax avoidance. This is not good policy.

It's also a really, really huge giveaway to Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, and the entire Trump family. The Trump Organization isn't a "C corporation." It doesn't pay corporate income tax. Instead, it's structured as a collection of pass-through enterprises, so the vast majority of income accruing to Trump and his family is taxed through this system. Trump almost certainly pays the 39.6 percent rate on his earnings, so he's cutting his own top tax rate by more than half. It's the most transparently self-interested policy he's proposed since taking office, and it will likely save him tens of millions of dollars.

Here's the thing, though. We don't know exactly how big a giveaway to Trump this is, because we don't know what's on his tax returns. We have no idea. We have a few details from his 2005 return, which suggests that he gets tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in pass-through income annually. That return also implied that without the alternative minimum tax, which Trump wants to repeal, he would have paid less than 3.5 percent of his income in federal income taxes. Cutting the pass-through rate while repealing the AMT would probably reduce his tax burden to roughly half that level. Instead of paying $38 million, he could've paid less than $3 million.

Those are rough figures, though, from just one year in Trump's life more than a decade ago. We know very little about the current state of Trump's finances. We don't know with any precision how much he makes from wages versus interest versus pass-through income. We don't know how much he's already paying in taxes on it. We don't know which tax credits and exemptions his corporate entities are taking advantage of, and how they'd be affected by the corporate tax changes embraced by Trump and House Republicans.

We don't know because Trump has refused to release his tax returns.

That's totally unprecedented. Trump is hardly the first Republican president to propose big, deficit-exploding, inequality-increasing tax cuts. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush did so as well. But they also released at least partial tax returns for every year they were in office. The public knew how they were making money. They knew where the money came from. They knew that, for example, Dick Cheney earned $36 million from the oil field company Halliburton upon leaving to become vice president.

Did knowing this stop the tax cuts? No. Nor did it stop Halliburton from allegedly receiving improper preferential treatment from Cheney and the White House once in office. But it let the public know what its officials had at stake in the policies for which they advocated. It helped watchdogs keep an eye out for malfeasance like Cheney's alleged preferential treatment of Halliburton. It helped the public sort out whether the president was acting in his own best interest or that of the nation.

That's an important kind of transparency. And it's especially important with this president, on this topic. Corporate tax reform is an arcane matter involving changes to dozens of highly specific and complicated tax provisions. And Trump's finances are vaster and more difficult to untangle than those of any president before him.

A lot of the concerns about Trump and corruption have been centered on flagrant violations, like using government resources to promote Trump resorts. That's undoubtedly bad and should be policed. But if you're a plutocrat bent on self-enrichment, there are more subtle, and more legal, ways to use the privileges of office to earn a lot more money. A paper by Berkeley economist Stefano DellaVigna and co-authors found that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's TV network, Mediaset, saw profits grow by at least €1 billion during his time as premier, not necessarily due to graft but because businesses shifted advertising to Mediaset as a way to lobby Berlusconi.

In the pass-through tax cut, Trump has found a similarly legal but still troubling way to use his powers to enrich himself. It's unquestionably legal, requiring as it does an act of Congress, and it applies to many other rich people too. But just because Republicans in Congress appear willing to enable this kind of self-serving tax legislation doesn't make it any less scandalous. Trump is trying to rearrange the tax code for personal benefit, and if he succeeds, he'll net more money that he ever could by just using the government to market his resorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/trum...ax-code-to-make-himself-much-much-richer.html

Did you ever get a job from a poor man?
 

eerdoc

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President Trump is planning to include a massive cut in the top tax rate on "pass-through" companies, from its current level of 39.6 percent to a mere 15 percent, the Wall Street Journal's Michael Bender and Richard Rubin report.

This will be sold as a boost for small businesses, and it is, but it is mostly a huge giveaway to the rich — including the president himself.

More than two-thirds of income at pass-through companies (so named because their structure makes them exempt from the corporate income tax, and their profits are instead taxed upon distribution to shareholders) goes to the
top 1 percent.
The plan creates a massive loophole with which ordinary people can evade taxes. Instead of just working for Vox.com, I could form DylanCorp LLC, contract with Vox to provide writing services, and pay a 15 percent rate on DylanCorp's earnings rather than my current 25 percent rate. For rich people paying a top rate of 39.6 percent (or the top individual rate of 33 percent that Trump proposed during the campaign), the incentive to do this will be even larger. A new study finds that when Kansas exempted pass-through income, the result wasn't more investment or growth but a surge in this kind of tax avoidance. This is not good policy.

It's also a really, really huge giveaway to Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, and the entire Trump family. The Trump Organization isn't a "C corporation." It doesn't pay corporate income tax. Instead, it's structured as a collection of pass-through enterprises, so the vast majority of income accruing to Trump and his family is taxed through this system. Trump almost certainly pays the 39.6 percent rate on his earnings, so he's cutting his own top tax rate by more than half. It's the most transparently self-interested policy he's proposed since taking office, and it will likely save him tens of millions of dollars.

Here's the thing, though. We don't know exactly how big a giveaway to Trump this is, because we don't know what's on his tax returns. We have no idea. We have a few details from his 2005 return, which suggests that he gets tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in pass-through income annually. That return also implied that without the alternative minimum tax, which Trump wants to repeal, he would have paid less than 3.5 percent of his income in federal income taxes. Cutting the pass-through rate while repealing the AMT would probably reduce his tax burden to roughly half that level. Instead of paying $38 million, he could've paid less than $3 million.

Those are rough figures, though, from just one year in Trump's life more than a decade ago. We know very little about the current state of Trump's finances. We don't know with any precision how much he makes from wages versus interest versus pass-through income. We don't know how much he's already paying in taxes on it. We don't know which tax credits and exemptions his corporate entities are taking advantage of, and how they'd be affected by the corporate tax changes embraced by Trump and House Republicans.

We don't know because Trump has refused to release his tax returns.

That's totally unprecedented. Trump is hardly the first Republican president to propose big, deficit-exploding, inequality-increasing tax cuts. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush did so as well. But they also released at least partial tax returns for every year they were in office. The public knew how they were making money. They knew where the money came from. They knew that, for example, Dick Cheney earned $36 million from the oil field company Halliburton upon leaving to become vice president.

Did knowing this stop the tax cuts? No. Nor did it stop Halliburton from allegedly receiving improper preferential treatment from Cheney and the White House once in office. But it let the public know what its officials had at stake in the policies for which they advocated. It helped watchdogs keep an eye out for malfeasance like Cheney's alleged preferential treatment of Halliburton. It helped the public sort out whether the president was acting in his own best interest or that of the nation.

That's an important kind of transparency. And it's especially important with this president, on this topic. Corporate tax reform is an arcane matter involving changes to dozens of highly specific and complicated tax provisions. And Trump's finances are vaster and more difficult to untangle than those of any president before him.

A lot of the concerns about Trump and corruption have been centered on flagrant violations, like using government resources to promote Trump resorts. That's undoubtedly bad and should be policed. But if you're a plutocrat bent on self-enrichment, there are more subtle, and more legal, ways to use the privileges of office to earn a lot more money. A paper by Berkeley economist Stefano DellaVigna and co-authors found that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's TV network, Mediaset, saw profits grow by at least €1 billion during his time as premier, not necessarily due to graft but because businesses shifted advertising to Mediaset as a way to lobby Berlusconi.

In the pass-through tax cut, Trump has found a similarly legal but still troubling way to use his powers to enrich himself. It's unquestionably legal, requiring as it does an act of Congress, and it applies to many other rich people too. But just because Republicans in Congress appear willing to enable this kind of self-serving tax legislation doesn't make it any less scandalous. Trump is trying to rearrange the tax code for personal benefit, and if he succeeds, he'll net more money that he ever could by just using the government to market his resorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/trum...ax-code-to-make-himself-much-much-richer.html
Unreal!
On the verge of adding you to my 'ignore' list.
SO much of what you post seems to come directly from Democrat talking points highly spun to get maximum effect but with so much distortion that reliance is on the audience not being sophisticated and knowledgable enough to see your (and the Dem's) scam.
 

moe

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Unreal!
On the verge of adding you to my 'ignore' list.
SO much of what you post seems to come directly from Democrat talking points highly spun to get maximum effect but with so much distortion that reliance is on the audience not being sophisticated and knowledgable enough to see your (and the Dem's) scam.
Actually it just came from CNBC so take it up with them. I also appreciate your well thought out critique of the posted article where you counter the author's distortion of the facts of the Trump plan as it comes from a sophisticated and knowledgeable person such as yourself. Actually there's not much point as thankfully any final plan won't bear much resemblance to this one anyways. Did you see the less is more sparsely worded one page plan? Obviously they've been burning the midnight oil getting ready for this next big legislative effort.
 
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President Trump is planning to include a massive cut in the top tax rate on "pass-through" companies, from its current level of 39.6 percent to a mere 15 percent, the Wall Street Journal's Michael Bender and Richard Rubin report.

This will be sold as a boost for small businesses, and it is, but it is mostly a huge giveaway to the rich — including the president himself.

More than two-thirds of income at pass-through companies (so named because their structure makes them exempt from the corporate income tax, and their profits are instead taxed upon distribution to shareholders) goes to the
top 1 percent.
The plan creates a massive loophole with which ordinary people can evade taxes. Instead of just working for Vox.com, I could form DylanCorp LLC, contract with Vox to provide writing services, and pay a 15 percent rate on DylanCorp's earnings rather than my current 25 percent rate. For rich people paying a top rate of 39.6 percent (or the top individual rate of 33 percent that Trump proposed during the campaign), the incentive to do this will be even larger. A new study finds that when Kansas exempted pass-through income, the result wasn't more investment or growth but a surge in this kind of tax avoidance. This is not good policy.

It's also a really, really huge giveaway to Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, and the entire Trump family. The Trump Organization isn't a "C corporation." It doesn't pay corporate income tax. Instead, it's structured as a collection of pass-through enterprises, so the vast majority of income accruing to Trump and his family is taxed through this system. Trump almost certainly pays the 39.6 percent rate on his earnings, so he's cutting his own top tax rate by more than half. It's the most transparently self-interested policy he's proposed since taking office, and it will likely save him tens of millions of dollars.

Here's the thing, though. We don't know exactly how big a giveaway to Trump this is, because we don't know what's on his tax returns. We have no idea. We have a few details from his 2005 return, which suggests that he gets tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in pass-through income annually. That return also implied that without the alternative minimum tax, which Trump wants to repeal, he would have paid less than 3.5 percent of his income in federal income taxes. Cutting the pass-through rate while repealing the AMT would probably reduce his tax burden to roughly half that level. Instead of paying $38 million, he could've paid less than $3 million.

Those are rough figures, though, from just one year in Trump's life more than a decade ago. We know very little about the current state of Trump's finances. We don't know with any precision how much he makes from wages versus interest versus pass-through income. We don't know how much he's already paying in taxes on it. We don't know which tax credits and exemptions his corporate entities are taking advantage of, and how they'd be affected by the corporate tax changes embraced by Trump and House Republicans.

We don't know because Trump has refused to release his tax returns.

That's totally unprecedented. Trump is hardly the first Republican president to propose big, deficit-exploding, inequality-increasing tax cuts. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush did so as well. But they also released at least partial tax returns for every year they were in office. The public knew how they were making money. They knew where the money came from. They knew that, for example, Dick Cheney earned $36 million from the oil field company Halliburton upon leaving to become vice president.

Did knowing this stop the tax cuts? No. Nor did it stop Halliburton from allegedly receiving improper preferential treatment from Cheney and the White House once in office. But it let the public know what its officials had at stake in the policies for which they advocated. It helped watchdogs keep an eye out for malfeasance like Cheney's alleged preferential treatment of Halliburton. It helped the public sort out whether the president was acting in his own best interest or that of the nation.

That's an important kind of transparency. And it's especially important with this president, on this topic. Corporate tax reform is an arcane matter involving changes to dozens of highly specific and complicated tax provisions. And Trump's finances are vaster and more difficult to untangle than those of any president before him.

A lot of the concerns about Trump and corruption have been centered on flagrant violations, like using government resources to promote Trump resorts. That's undoubtedly bad and should be policed. But if you're a plutocrat bent on self-enrichment, there are more subtle, and more legal, ways to use the privileges of office to earn a lot more money. A paper by Berkeley economist Stefano DellaVigna and co-authors found that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's TV network, Mediaset, saw profits grow by at least €1 billion during his time as premier, not necessarily due to graft but because businesses shifted advertising to Mediaset as a way to lobby Berlusconi.

In the pass-through tax cut, Trump has found a similarly legal but still troubling way to use his powers to enrich himself. It's unquestionably legal, requiring as it does an act of Congress, and it applies to many other rich people too. But just because Republicans in Congress appear willing to enable this kind of self-serving tax legislation doesn't make it any less scandalous. Trump is trying to rearrange the tax code for personal benefit, and if he succeeds, he'll net more money that he ever could by just using the government to market his resorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/trum...ax-code-to-make-himself-much-much-richer.html

Let's break this down into two word problems:

If Moe pays $0.00 in taxes, and his taxes are reduced by 10%, how much will Moe save in taxes?

If Moe pays $1,000.000.00 in taxes, and his taxes are reduced by 10%, how much will Moe saves in taxes?
 

Airport

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lol keep it simple Airport, shew.
That's about as simple as it gets. When you make it too expensive to hire, ACA, high tax rates, the people who hire, don't. That's why the ACA was so bad. People just weren't going to hire no matter what. It you hire and it takes you over the threshold, I knew people who let people go just to get under it, you get hit with a massive amount of tax, you just don't do it. It is my firm opinion that if Obama had done something other than the ACA, the GDP would have approached 3% without even trying.
 

Airport

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When it is tax cuts only for the upper class and reducing their tax rate from 39.6% to 15%, it only benefits the middle class if you believe in trickle down economics.

How do you like the economy right now? Slow and no growth. If you don't ahve a job, you don't have anything and it is better to stop govt wasteful spending and lower taxes so that more people benefit than have high taxes, no growth and more people lining up to take welfare, that's what you libs really want, and then rioting when you don't like something. That's what 3rd world countries do and that's what some of our cities have started doing as well as our college campuses.