Cam Robinson and Hoosier Jones arrested in Louisiana on drug and stolen weapons charges. Sounds bad.
Two Alabama players arrested on weapons charge
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Cam Robinson is one of the best OL in the Nation and was a projected Top 10 Overall NFL Draft Pick for 2017...anyone would still take him including 32 teams that play on Sunday
Normally yes but Robinson would have to sit out at UL, he'll be a 1st round NFL draftee next spring. Still, doubt he'll miss a beat at Bama.
Kind of like Eddie Williams (5-star), Brent Calloway (barely missed being a 5-star), and Tyren Jones (would be our starter at RB this fall) just to name a few, right?
That being said, I don't think either of them should be on the team this fall.
Rammer, then you in the minority of Bama fans. One of the Bama sites some of the posters say they should miss some games, while some feel they should miss no more than 2, while another group thinks Robinson should start the other, but you are the only I have seen who said they shouldn't be on the team this fall. Most are trying to rationalize why the stolen gun was under the seat, and speculating it wasn't his car or he didn't know it was stolen. None thinks he stole the gun, but it was stolen in Alabama. One of Bama's players has tweeted this would have been swept under the rug at other SEC schools, maybe, but It sure wouldn't have been at UGA or UK.
But to the 2 Bama kids, I am not naive enough to believe they are the only 2 kids in the SEC who smoke pot. I am sure it goes on in every athletic dorm not only in the SEC but at every school who has almost 100 kids on football scholarship in the country. The issue I have is this, why are 2 unusually large young men sitting in a closed parking lot at 2:30AM smoking pot, one with a gun in his lap and the other with a gun under his seat, nevermind 2nd gun is a stolen gun with a bag of pot. I can't come up with many reasons, but here are a few, they were expecting trouble from someone and wanted protection, they were looking for trouble or a drug deal was about to happen or already happened. I am as gun friendly as can be, but I don't sit in my vehicle with a gun in my lap.
Now I have no idea who the judge will be he has to go before, but the 750$ bail seems awfully low for the charges, our guy's was 7500 for driving without a license, no drugs, no weapon, just didn't have a license, which seems a little steep for the charge. But an LSU grad judge could drag this alone for months with the felony charge hanging over him before he make any kind of ruling. LSU people weren't too happy he left the state, they could use this time to show their lack of appreciation to him. and drop everything after the regular season or reduce charges.
Whatever the case, he showed an incredible lack of judgement, given the benefit of doubt about not knowing about the stolen gun under the seat, he no doubt knew about the one in his buddie's lap that was in plain view of the arresting officer and like I said, not many reasons to have one that ready in a closed parking lot.
One of Bama's players has tweeted this would have been swept under the rug at other SEC schools.
His mom must be proud.
His mom must be proud.
Pretty sure Louisiana has a 5 year minimum on the gun with narcotics and a 3? Year on the stolen gun.
This guy ain't playing for Bama this year.
And there is absolutely no reason UK fans should trash alabama.. they are in football what we are to basketball .. and we all know the BS thst other fans say about us. Why be lIke them?
This guy ain't playing for Bama this year.
And there is absolutely no reason UK fans should trash alabama.. they are in football what we are to basketball .. and we all know the BS thst other fans say about us. Why be lIke them?
What are you trying to do, soften us up for his commitment? You don't have to start defending him yet, jurich is probably still trying to reach him.
Sounds pretty serious, he is probably still busy talking to Bama's defense lawyer.
Oh I don't know.
Maybe because all the BS that they say about our bb program (football too) is just that, BS?
Young men get into trouble everywhere, the difference is in how it is handled at programs like UL, TU, Auburn, etc.
This is PE's mo...as long as he helps you win, right PE? I honestly don't know where his madness would end it comes this stuff.
Is there a specific incident or multiple you are talking about? At alabama.. you donot have to sell me on ewetee[smoke]
I don't think I included Bama in that group, because they don't have to cheat as much as some of the others (UL has a long way to go but will stop at nothing) but they do seem to be edging their way up the list.
How stupid can you be, the #3 recruit in Louisiana at the best program in the country and he gets involved in this. Money.
So, if it is that important to them why not take a couple thousand a year extra that is LEGAL, and some on here argue the COA doesn't matter that much in recruiting.
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Just pointing out at the end of the day Cam Robinson will be alright...just like Robert Nkemdiche and Laramy Tunsil are after their issues at Ole Miss....this time next year Cam Robinson is going to be a rich man walking across the stage shaking Roger Goodell hand...it is what it is....
Cam Robinson will be playing this fall in Tusculoosa or taking the year off preparing for the 2017 NFL Draft...it is either or with him...no reason to play or transfer to another school
While Tunsil apparently spent his 3 years at OM taking cash, it isn't a crime, he wasn't arrested for asking and apparently receiving money from OM coaches. Robinson and the other kid were found with a stash of pot, apparently more than personal use, then there is the stolen gun. Its not even apples to oranges comparison, it more like apples to dogs.
Also Tunsil beat up his step father...got caught on draft night with a bong and a gas mask...not even going to what was going on with Nkemdiche in that hotel room in Atlanta...point being in the end they still ended up being millionaires...same going to happen with Robinson...this time next year he will be just fine...
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Exactly no way this guy transfer to another school. Either he plays for Bama and gets ready for the draft. Regardless he will be in the NFL 365 days from now. Now if he was a true freshman it would be a different story, but even then I still think he would stay at Alabama.
Exactly....ppl on this board probably didn't even know how highly rated Robinson is in regards to the NFL..
Probably should, but probably not, look at what UL's coaches get away with. Money talks, too many look up to athletes instead of our real heroes, etc etc.
In addition, one is a five star, the other a four star, maybe they will let the five star off and give the four star double time to make up for it.
The stepfather deal gets a pass from me, if the guy was about to hit Tunsil's mama, good for Tunsil. He wasnt' arrested for the bong incident, didn't have a stolen gun under his seat, no comparison. For all I know, or you, it could have been taken in Colorado which made it ok. Do I think Tunsil has a dope habit, probably, do I think he was taking money, absolutely and did from the time before he enrolled at OM. But I don't know for a fact that he was arrested with a stolen gun under the driver's seat of a car he was driving, had a buddy with a gun in his lap in the passenger seat and a bag of dope between him. Common sense tells me something was about to or already had gone down when the cop pulled into that parking lot.
I'm all for second chances (depending on the situation), but IMO there is just no excuse for this, particularly for Robinson. Arguably the best lineman in the country, on the best program in the country, quality student, and he would've been a top 5-10 pick in the 2017 draft. We all make stupid decisions, but this is just...wow.
Saban on the situation from NFL.com
Alabama coach Nick Saban discussed on Wednesday his philosophy regarding discipline for his players and, specifically, the arrest of star left tackle Cam Robinson. Robinson was arrested Tuesday morning for felony possession of a stolen firearm and misdemeanor possession of a controlled dangerous substance, as well as a charge of illegally carrying a weapon in the presence of narcotics.
Top 100 CFB players for 2016
While attending the Regions Tradition Pro-Am golf tournament on Wednesday, Saban said the school remains in the fact-gathering stage.
"What everybody has to ask, like you would with your own children, is the guy better off with us, with the structure and direction he's going to get, and the opportunities he can take advantage of and be someone other people can emulate with his leadership, or are we better off throwing him out with the bath water?" Saban said on the Paul Finebaum Show.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...athering-information-on-cam-robinson-incident
Rammer I am with you on the 2nd chances deal, on some things. I am an old man, smoking pot is illegal in La., I know that and those 2 know that. But on the other hand I don't know anything about their background, smoking pot may have been an acceptable behavior for them growing up, being exposed to something for 18 years and accepting it as being ok, its hard to change that pattern in 2 years for anyone, Saban or anyone else, even kids in our military don't all get alway from it. Get some suspension time, get some early morning conditioning in for the summer or whatever. But there is no logical reason for them to have a gun out ready for use, plus another under the seat unless you are expecting trouble, giving someone trouble or about to or just made some kind of transaction with people you don't trust. Isaiha Crowell was sent packing for having an alter gun in his car, he said he didn't know about. He was a 5* RB, our leading rusher the previous year and now in the NFL. He ended up at Alabama State for a couple years, but has come back to Athens since and said it helped him mature, without the wakeup call he could easily be on the streets of Columbus today. He got his second chance, just not at a D1 school, now I am almost 100% sure he didn't get his degree, but he made it to a starting RB in the NFL.
I don't think the pot is a huge issue, but those guns, and one of them being stolen, is what has put Bama in a negative light. No big deal if the DB is dismissed or kept. But Robinson being who and what he is, puts some pressure on Saban as to how he handles it, I don't think he dismisses him, but it better not blow up in his face like the J.Taylor did. Can you imagine the backlash if Saban lets him play and he is involved in a shooting at Bama?
Since this happened in the State of Louisiana I am not sure the local authorities are going to worry about Saban and his problems. They belong to the Louisiana justice system now so Bama better pray Louisiana sends these boys back in time for football season. I would not hold my breath.
That thought entered my mind too, both of them left Louisiana to play for Bama. They better hope their judge and DA aren't LSU alumni boosters or they could delay this thing until after the season. I am not 100% but I don't think a kid can play with a felony hanging on him. This didn't happen in Alabama where it would already be reduced, Louisiana people weren't happy when he left the state for Bama in the first place.
I read a few posts from LSU fans in a thread on the other site and according to them the DA's in the state aren't really connected to LSU. They could be wrong, though. Regardless, I don't think it should matter. Provided that all of the information that was reported is correct, I wouldn't keep them on the team. Then again, it's not up to me, but I'd be disappointed if Saban kept them both on the team.
Saban on the situation from NFL.com
Alabama coach Nick Saban discussed on Wednesday his philosophy regarding discipline for his players and, specifically, the arrest of star left tackle Cam Robinson. Robinson was arrested Tuesday morning for felony possession of a stolen firearm and misdemeanor possession of a controlled dangerous substance, as well as a charge of illegally carrying a weapon in the presence of narcotics.
Top 100 CFB players for 2016
While attending the Regions Tradition Pro-Am golf tournament on Wednesday, Saban said the school remains in the fact-gathering stage.
"What everybody has to ask, like you would with your own children, is the guy better off with us, with the structure and direction he's going to get, and the opportunities he can take advantage of and be someone other people can emulate with his leadership, or are we better off throwing him out with the bath water?" Saban said on the Paul Finebaum Show.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...athering-information-on-cam-robinson-incident
Basically what I figured Saban is going to keep him.
You obviously know more about it than me, all I know is the original arrest report about it being a closed parking lot, gun in lap, some amount of pot in bag and stolen gun under the seat, at 2:30 AM. Maybe its being old and untrusting, but that just has more than 2 buddies getting high written all over it, and none of them good. Saban or whoever at Bama makes the decision about this will be under the microscope of the media regardless. You are about the most rational Bama poster I have ever encountered and I think you know if Saban/Bama dismisses Robinson and Bama doesn't make the playoffs or win the SEC alot of them will point to Robinson as a big reason. If he keeps him and God forbid he hurt someone on campus, the suit would make Saban's salary look like pocket change. IF all of it is fact, he probably needs that 2nd change at a place where he won't be in a spotlight quite as bright as he will be at Bama.
He stays and Bama will keep him out of trouble until draft day. Then after that all bets are off, hopefully the young man keeps his nose clean. He has a bright future if he doesn't piss it away.
Refreshing, thanks, but you do have the advantage of Bama being able to dismiss TWO five stars and instead of having three times the talent of most teams they would only have twice as much------LOL.
You would never see a post like this from a Transfer U or Thug U fan, all their fans that had any scruples abandoned those programs long ago.
Yup...at worse he will spend a year off the field and will stay at Alabama to fix his rep and be a Top 5 Pick in the 2018 Draft...but still feel he will go ahead and apply for the 2017 Draft and instead of being a Top 5 pick would go around the 20 range. But make no mistake I would be shocked if Robinson is not in Tusculoosa this year.
Jauk...Cam Robinson is much more than a "5*". He is arguably the best LT left in college football...and if you read between the line what Saban said he isn't going anywhere...