UFO's....Are they out there?

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Very true, but the key is colonization. If a civilization reaches a point technologically where they can expand to other inhabitable planet(s) then they have a chance to carry on indefinitely. This is why Elon Musk and other future thinking people are strongly advocating not just visiting Mars but colonization.
My problem with finding another planet like earth that we could colonize is how did life on earth progress? What if it did the same on earth and we landed there just as the dinosaurs were the rulers, and just before the asteroid wiped them out, and what if they just thought of us as tasty snacks?

And I think the explanation for the gravity defying maneuvers they do without wiping them out could be because they use artificial intelligence for their scouting maneuvers, computers and solid state devices can stand a lot of Gs. Look at us, we could be on the verge of being taken over by AI ourselves. A little scary in itself.
 
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Generally true. But in our recent modernity, we have chosen to leave hunter-gatherer societies alone on isolated island settings in the Indian Ocean, and in the depths of the Brazilian outback.

If these things are “advanced” and we are no threat to them, they likely make a run by, occasionally, to see if we have wiped each other out, and for some laughs.
Probably a barrel of laughs, so we have that going for us.
 
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Well it would be our planet and not us that would be of their interests. A planet capable of sustaining life would mean a great deal and does to us and I would assume it does to any intelligent life capable of venturing this way. No way would we be a threat.

That being said, perceiving any alien lifeform the way we do, we assume they are of some sort of biological organic form, doesn't seem plausible. The universe is a violent unforgiving place full of radiation and everything else deadly to anything anywhere similar to us. Which leads me to believe if anything is out there taking a peak it would be more machine like in nature. A.I. robotic, maybe cyborganic in nature. Maybe there is the mother race on a ship somewhere sending out the drones.

Most anything we know about involves mass, speed, and energy. Knowledge of any of these are far too inferior to traverse space especially considering how feeble and weak the human body really is. So if anything were out there, I find it really hard to believe we are even capable yet of understanding how or where or when they come from and do it.
Excellent speculation-------and all we can do so far is speculate.
 

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The late great Stan Friedman, nuclear physicist and lifetime UFO researcher was of the opinion that since UFO activity increased dramatically after the first atomic bomb was dropped, that "they" become more concerned with us as a specie. We are viewed as a volant race of people approaching a technological level that would allow space travel and that's what really concerns "them".
And I worked on the Kiwi project for three years, a nuclear rocket that used liquid hydrogen for propulsion, had two successful tests before they shut the project down about 1969. At Jackass Flats at the Nevada Test Site. That was a long time ago. Of course the word "Nuclear" scared most people to death so it had two strikes against it to start with.
 
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You're probably not going to believe this, but I woke up one night and saw an alien standing at the foot of my bed. Classic short, gray skin, big head, huge slanted eyes, and a slit mouth. At first I thought it was just a ghost. I've had a problem with them as well.

Anyway, I pulled a .357 Magnum from my nightstand. I'm a fast draw, so he didn't have time to reach for his ray gun. The little bastard let out a high pitched squeal and took off down the stairs.

I chased him into my back yard where he popped the hatch on his flying saucer, jumped in, and took off at warp speed leaving a rainbow streak in the sky.

I think he wanted to do sexual experiments on me or something, but I don't identify with that crap.
What a dummy, you would have had the story of the century to sell IF you really are that fast on the draw. Probably didn't even get a picture of the rainbow streak either.
 

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The way they are able to change direction. And seemingly disappear. Pilots of the Nimitz described the movements as impossible, at least for us at present. Maybe I worded that poorly, but it seems far ahead of anything we are presently capable of if real.
Not to mention ships crews reporting UFOs that dive into the ocean and then reemerge at full speed.
 
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Not to mention ships crews reporting UFOs that dive into the ocean and then reemerge at full speed.

I always thought that if “they” had a sense of humor, they’d share a little tech with a Bubba who was into racing!
 
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I always thought that if “they” had a sense of humor, they’d share a little tech with a Bubba who was into racing!
Not sure there would be too many "Bubba's" on their their UFOs, in fact I think a lot of them are manned by AI (artificial intelligence) seeing some of the maneuvers they do. In fact a lot of people think our AI might take over control of earth some day.
 

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Well it would be our planet and not us that would be of their interests. A planet capable of sustaining life would mean a great deal and does to us and I would assume it does to any intelligent life capable of venturing this way. No way would we be a threat.

That being said, perceiving any alien lifeform the way we do, we assume they are of some sort of biological organic form, doesn't seem plausible. The universe is a violent unforgiving place full of radiation and everything else deadly to anything anywhere similar to us. Which leads me to believe if anything is out there taking a peak it would be more machine like in nature. A.I. robotic, maybe cyborganic in nature. Maybe there is the mother race on a ship somewhere sending out the drones.

Most anything we know about involves mass, speed, and energy. Knowledge of any of these are far too inferior to traverse space especially considering how feeble and weak the human body really is. So if anything were out there, I find it really hard to believe we are even capable yet of understanding how or where or when they come from and do it.

Read an article once that (i distantly remember) headlined "12% of the world's billionaires believe that we are already living in The Matrix..."

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...musk-artificial-intelligence-ai-a7347526.html

:rolleyes:o_O:oops:🤪
 

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Pretty clearly one of two things is happening:

1. An advanced civilization manifesting technology we can't even imagine or describe, much less match, is traveling trillions of miles for reasons we can't even articulate, and instead of announcing their arrival for some reason they are hiding and darting around in a way that we can't even provide any evidence of it by anything but ambiguous eye witness accounts.

2. There are some natural phenomena generated on earth that we can't understand creating optical illusions and even effects that show up on some instruments, along with the mis-identification of things like Venus and conventional aircraft and occasionally secret test weapons.

It could go either way.
 
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1. An advanced civilization manifesting technology we can't even imagine or describe, much less match, is traveling trillions of miles for reasons we can't even articulate, and instead of announcing their arrival for some reason they are hiding and darting around in a way that we can't even provide any evidence of it by anything but ambiguous eye witness accounts.

2. There are some natural phenomena generated on earth that we can't understand creating optical illusions and even effects that show up on some instruments, along with the mis-identification of things like Venus and conventional aircraft and occasionally secret test weapons.

It could go either way.
to point 1, it could be that traveling trillions of miles, or even billions of light years for that matter could happen in an instant. We don’t know what’s within the realm of the possible within physics. It’s also possible that when considering the age of the universe that there are civilizations that have been around so long that they’ve developed AI that can self replicated and have surveillance craft hanging out all of the universe.
 

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2. There are some natural phenomena generated on earth that we can't understand creating optical illusions and even effects that show up on some instruments, along with the mis-identification of things like Venus and conventional aircraft and occasionally secret test weapons.

I like your approach, but the (extremely unlikely) possibilities are more numerous.

I do not believe there is an undetected, intelligent, secretive, advanced life form hidden by our oceans. But I would be hard pressed to prove there is none, given the paucity of research below 1000 feet of water.

Many physicists believe we live in a layered multiverse, and that the physical separation between up to twelve layers is about a millimeter. Hence, the possibility of traveling trillions of miles might be replaced by a technology allowing one to “pop” into and out of another layer/dimension.

As to the thought of a natural phenomenon, the curiosity (and even rare acts of destruction) aimed at our nuclear and military capacity shows a rational, sentient scheme of activity.

God? Did God take the form of a metallic, flying disc in 1964 to shoot down an unarmed nuclear test missile launched and filmed by the US Air Force off the coast of California? I don’t consider it likely, but can’t exclude the possibility.

Could we be witnessing our distant future relatives traveling backward in time with advanced technology? Again, that sounds highly unlikely., but I can’t disprove the notion.

As a professional, I have had many opportunities to represent or work with random folk by the thousands since 1988. Everytime I had a client /friend/neighbor with a military background from the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s I would ask whether they had any unusual experiences with UFO’s.

Most had.

One gent in 1994 told me he had operated a radar unit in the American West in 1953 that tracked an object traveling 3,400 miles per hour. On Dr. Steven Greer’s Project Disclosure films, another gent relates the exact phenomena (including the speed of 3,400 miles per hour) on a radar unit he operated in the same year over the North Atlantic. I asked my client if he reported it up the chain. He laughed and said “hell no!”

I had a neighbor in the 1980’s who guarded a nuclear facility. He related that it was pretty common to have a high altitude object hovering in broad daylight above the silos, which would quickly scamper away when they called in a fighter jet.

I don’t know the who, what, how or why, but one or more of the highly unlikely scenarios must be true.

Any cynic who plays the “word game” of saying we cannot prove scientifically the existence of these things is (1) correct, and (2) being a tad coy.

We couldn’t prove, scientifically, the existence of the giant squid until the 1990’s when a Japanese scientist developed a replicatable means of observation of them in the deep. But we knew they existed from hundreds of years and thousands of incidental sightings, with no “scientific proof.”
 

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These masks are the start of human evolution to start looking like those aliens. If we are going to cover our noses and mouths, thru evolution or science we’ll wind up with tiny nostrils and mouths! 👽
 

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That's the problem I have with much science fiction in general, and in the arguments people make to support alien-based UFO explanations (or people from other dimensions, or visitors from the future.) Everything is just explained by what the Greeks called (and the Latins translated as) a Deus Ex Machina -- some convenient device. In this case, that's the notion that "we're too puny to understand the technology" so literally anything could be true.

So, if people claimed they were snatched up in the woods of Arizona or on the back roads of Massachusetts and hauled away a quadrillion light years to another galaxy, then brought back and dropped off a few hours later, instead of saying, "that's ludicrous" we're supposed to say, "well, we just don't understand the limits of technology. Can you prove it COULDN'T happen?"
I get your point. My reason for saying this is that there is actually a logical theory that would support this. If you think we could develop AI that could self replicate and travel to distant planets. Why, over the course of billions of years, would we think this doesn’t happen?
 
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We are way closer to cavemen than to any species that has figured out interstellar travel. If they make contact we're either food or pets at that point. I'm just hoping this is the military trying to keep some badass tech we've developed under wraps for as long as possible.
Nah, most aliens are trying to stop us from destroying ourselves with nuclear weapons. Ufos have been sighted at every nuclear testing site. They’ve been watching us for thousands of years.
 

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Personally, I have very little doubt that intelligent life is out there somewhere & it’s arrogant to think otherwise, IMO. Our solar system compared to the universe isn’t even a grain of sand on all the beaches in the world. I’ve had a sighting that was pretty damn convincing, too. And, it lasted about 10 minutes. I was on a trip to the South Bend, IN area for work & was driving along a 2 lane road a few miles outside of South Bend. In the distance I saw what looked like a big & super bright star. But, as I drove toward it I could tell that it was moving & we were heading toward each other. After about 5 min it came into clear view.

It was a black triangle with lights on each tip & one in the center, underneath. The bright light I saw was a headlight type of light & it lit up the woods off the road like Yankee Stadium. It was moving slower than the traffic (55 mph) & was flying extremely low. To my knowledge we have nothing on this planet that can fly that slowly & that low aside from a helicopter & it definitely wasn’t a helicopter. It was dusk, like 7:30-8 pm on a summer night & it was flying so low that if it was brighter out I could’ve read words if there had been any on it. It took around 5 minutes for it fly over me & past the tree line out of view so I had a GOOD, long look at it. Several cars had also pulled off the side of the road to watch.

It was 2005 & my work phone didn’t have a camera or I would have the best UFO evidence I’ve ever seen. I’ve always hoped someone there took video but I’ve yet to see it mentioned anywhere. When I got to the hotel I called all local airports & military bases to ask if they had anything like that out & of course I was told, “no”. Like they’d admit it, anyway, lol. Drones weren’t a thing then but it was no drone. This thing was the size of a small plane at least.

I’m not saying it was 100% a spaceship bc who knows what the military has & had then. But, if it WAS one of ours it was something that still hasn’t been revealed to this day. It looked just like the typical triangle UFOs, which they refer to as TR-3Bs. I still remember it like it was yesterday.
 
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That's the problem I have with much science fiction in general, and in the arguments people make to support alien-based UFO explanations (or people from other dimensions, or visitors from the future.) Everything is just explained by what the Greeks called (and the Latins translated as) a Deus Ex Machina -- some convenient device. In this case, that's the notion that "we're too puny to understand the technology" so literally anything could be true.

So, if people claimed they were snatched up in the woods of Arizona or on the back roads of Massachusetts and hauled away a quadrillion light years to another galaxy, then brought back and dropped off a few hours later, instead of saying, "that's ludicrous" we're supposed to say, "well, we just don't understand the limits of technology. Can you prove it COULDN'T happen?"
Lots of those witnesses are very credible witnesses, and most just get laughed at. Why go to all that trouble? And how do you get a group of them to agree to do it?
 

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Pretty clearly one of two things is happening:

1. An advanced civilization manifesting technology we can't even imagine or describe, much less match, is traveling trillions of miles for reasons we can't even articulate, and instead of announcing their arrival for some reason they are hiding and darting around in a way that we can't even provide any evidence of it by anything but ambiguous eye witness accounts.

2. There are some natural phenomena generated on earth that we can't understand creating optical illusions and even effects that show up on some instruments, along with the mis-identification of things like Venus and conventional aircraft and occasionally secret test weapons.

It could go either way.
2. Might explain some sightings but there are numerous sightings that cannot be explained this way, the DOD investigations now coming out are just a few examples.

Other possibilities stretch the imagination including interdimensional travel, and a subterranean civilization.
 

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I saw something in 2002. Me and some friends went to a local hilltop near Ithaca NY to see the Northern Lights. We had a few blankets and beers. Late in the evening I noticed a large triangle shape moving across the sky, very high up. 3 lights in a triangle shape. Could have been a satellite. We all saw it.
 
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The multiverse theory is a great way to go insane. That every possibility of every action exists and is repeated in an endless stream of worlds stretching out into infinity. It's what Matthew McConaughey touches on in explaining the M-Theory here in True Detective:

 

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The only shape that logically makes sense is a circle and it is repeated all throughout nature and the universe. You have theories like The Big Bang theory that are completely unsatisfactory because they cannot answer the "well what came before that" question.

What is obvious to me is that our understanding of creation, that something must begat something else and so on, that all that is was created from something else, is unsatisfactory insomuch as explaining an ultimate creation. You can never answer creation from nothing. That suddenly an explosion from nothing begat everything.

Therefore, outside our present understanding, some mechanism for an ultimate creation exists that we are unable to grasp.

Or... a circle. There is no ultimate creation. All the ingredients were always there and have been endlessly recycled in a continuing loop with no beginning and no end. That is within our comprehension and also aligns with evolution and our present understanding of the physical universe (matter cannot be created nor destroyed). It also suggests that if you went far enough in any direction in the universe you'd ultimately come back. If everything exists in this circular pattern then as Carl Sagan said "The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be" and if we're all just a mixture of the same recycled chemical reactions swirling around in circular spheres of planets and universes then at least that is satisfactory. It is comprehensible. No magic needed.
 

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I have to say that I watched some of those runs more than once. I'd forgotten how amazing he was.

He ran about a 4.65, and in the videos was often caught from behind on long runs. But his vision, anticipation and change of direction were truly damn-near other-worldly!
 
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The only shape that logically makes sense is a circle and it is repeated all throughout nature and the universe. You have theories like The Big Bang theory that are completely unsatisfactory because they cannot answer the "well what came before that" question.

What is obvious to me is that our understanding of creation, that something must begat something else and so on, that all that is was created from something else, is unsatisfactory insomuch as explaining an ultimate creation. You can never answer creation from nothing. That suddenly an explosion from nothing begat everything.

Therefore, outside our present understanding, some mechanism for an ultimate creation exists that we are unable to grasp.

Or... a circle. There is no ultimate creation. All the ingredients were always there and have been endlessly recycled in a continuing loop with no beginning and no end. That is within our comprehension and also aligns with evolution and our present understanding of the physical universe (matter cannot be created nor destroyed). It also suggests that if you went far enough in any direction in the universe you'd ultimately come back. If everything exists in this circular pattern then as Carl Sagan said "The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be" and if we're all just a mixture of the same recycled chemical reactions swirling around in circular spheres of planets and universes then at least that is satisfactory. It is comprehensible. No magic needed.
pretty much. gases into solids until suns explode and back into gases until enough gather to create gravity and create solids again and again. with spatters of life forming throughout, most dying off before they ever reach their potential, a few excel, knowing their worlds are finite and so are they so they learn to venture off and spread their seeds to new worlds. just like viruses or insects, or humans, spread enough seeds and most will die off but a few will excel.

maybe the advanced ones survive long enough to help a few that seem to have what it takes to take the leap. nudge them along to the next step to become the next "them". and rinse and repeat.

maybe we are in the early stages of "they" and they think we could take another step and need a nudge or two.

maybe not.

maybe "they" don't need humans to leave this world, because we were never intended for that purpose. they need to create a seed to form the knowledge to create the next vessel to spread that next seed elsewhere with that knowledge.

the knowledge spreads through another form, but organic like us. our forms are weak and tied to this planet and meant to be. but our minds have potential.

or not.
 

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That was the idea behind Prometheus.

We don't seem like a natural species in our world. We behave invasively and flaunt the rules every other surviving species must follow. Long ago aliens landed and genetically modified a few monkeys because they were bored or for whatever reason then left because their little experiment turned ugly as we're aggressive to the point of suicidal as a species.
 
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read theories like that, the human body is unnatural to earth. we exhibit intolerances to our surroundings you don't see from the rest of the species, like we don't entirely belong here but have adapted enough. we are definitely unique compared to all other living species. which there are millions yet we stand alone. alien in our own home.
 

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Yep, also one where Christian Laettner gets T'd up and thrown out of the game for stomping on Aminu's chest.
And universes where....

* Dan Issel doesn't foul out with 10 minutes to go against Jacksonville.

* Officials notice that the play clock has expired on Florida and throw a flag.

* Mark Higgs scores on 4th and goal against UT.

* Keith Bogans doesn't roll his ankle.
 

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Here's what's going to happen: If every single document the government has on "UFOs" is released to the public you will not learn anything that's really new, and you won't find any real answers - only more questions.

Think Warren Commission but with little green men instead of grassy knolls.

"Multiverse" lmao...
 
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If every single document the government has on "UFOs" is released to the public you will not learn anything that's really new, and you won't find any real answers - only more questions.

In a recent interview in The NY Times, a military official reluctantly confirmed that apparent alien technology is held by at least one large private US company . . . Honeywell, IIRC.

But I suspect you are right: unless the most outlandish stories of our government and aliens working together is true, then the government might well be as baffled by the phenomenon as are we.

Simple possession of a dead body (which appears very likely from testimony of multiple credible witnesses regarding the killing of an entity at an Air Force base) does not tell where the body came from, or how it got here.
 
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But he ended up a highly controversial figure and an outcast from academia before his accidental death several years ago
He was hit by a car crossing the street in London. There is a lot of suspicion around this "accident".

Mack's work is compelling. My take away is that rather or not his patients actually experienced what they said they did under hypnosis, I'm convinced that in their minds they believe what they experienced was real. Of course that word "real" pops up in these discussions and one starts to wonder exactly what is real, or an illusion or something else. There are some youtube videos available on Mack and other researches on abductions.

The classic abduction case of course is the Barney and Betty Hill incident which was reported on by national media. The Travis Walton case is another one. Crazy stuff but defies earthly explanations.