It’s possible in their future the world is destroyed by nukes. So they went back into time to find the first nukes to warn us of their damage.
UFO's....Are they out there?
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but do you think this is the first time they did it? How many time travels does it take? And if their world is destroyed by nukes why the superior technology? Seems like if they wanted to prevent nuke war they would land in Central Park instead they kidnap people and run sexual experiments. Is that the definition of woke in 80000 years? Time travel and pull a Harvey Weinstein on some dude from the East side?
For time travel the effects of changing the future would not be as clear cut as in the movies. Also, how would you know things have already not been changed? That we've been saved already from nuclear annihilation in the 60's or that Hitler was killed in the 40's? Your interpretation of why things are not better are relative. We could be in nirvana compared to hellish nightscapes we've barely escaped by having time altered only in the most critical moments, when the difference between extinction and survival hung in the balance. And maybe they are back because we are there once again, only this time instead of a nuclear catastrophe it is climate annihilation that brings them back?
Once a time traveler arrives they are physically present. They have already undergone biological creation and thus even if they change the future to where they are no longer born it would not matter. They would not disappear or drop into a dust cloud. They have already undergone physical creation and so they would simply be, even if they traveled back to a future they were no longer born into.
Once a time traveler arrives they are physically present. They have already undergone biological creation and thus even if they change the future to where they are no longer born it would not matter. They would not disappear or drop into a dust cloud. They have already undergone physical creation and so they would simply be, even if they traveled back to a future they were no longer born into.
so 12 monkeys?
or The Butterfly Effect? no matter how many times you change, life still gets it's way, just in a different time line?
or The Butterfly Effect? no matter how many times you change, life still gets it's way, just in a different time line?
I think the “Butterfly Effect” is a handy description of the theory of “sensitive dependence on initial conditions,” hence a butterfly flapping it’s wings can cause a hurricane, or prevent one.
Predestination is closer to what you describe, but if anyone traveled back in time, surely it (according to the butterfly effect) would change lots of stuff that was unintended.
If you could go back in time, would you kill Hitler? Most would say yes, but if you left Ernst Rohm, Himmler and the assortment of freaks surrounding him in charge, they might have accidentally done a better job of winning the war.
Has history been changed? In a discussion of this years, ago, a friend actually suggested “the night of the long knives” in 1934 when the leadership of The Brown Shirts was killed by Hitler and the Gestapo, could have been influenced by time travelers eliminating a worse scenario than we ended up with.
My friend didn’t necessarily believe in time travel, but could argue effectively that our world view is based on the one reality we have experienced, and worse outcomes are possible, and conceivably, ours is a more favorable manufactured outcome.
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Unfortunately your link's behind a paywall. You can synopsize it if you want but don't copy and past the article please.
If this guy can figure out how fake this **** is then you think our military cannot? This is our government trying to ruse it's on people. It was fun for a minute but anything our government is involved in needs to be questioned.
This is a fun read if anyone wants to read up on the Fermi Paradox.
waitbutwhy.com
The Fermi Paradox - Wait But Why
The Fermi Paradox: There should be 100,000 intelligent alien civilizations in our galaxy — so why haven't we found any of them?
waitbutwhy.com
The problem with this "explanation" is if the images were just created by messing with a camera or night vision device they wouldn't show up on both radar and weapons imagery equipment and so far no Navy fighter pilot has fessed up to carrying out that kind of stunt.
I'm pretty sure the DOD has the most sophisticated equipment and experts in the world to analyze these images and what they reported are verifiable objects of some sort and under intelligent control as they reacted to the movements of our aircraft attempted to close on them.
I've been interested in UFOs since I was a kid in the 50s when I read Captain Ruppelt's book on Project Bluebook. What I have seen is the field of research has been constantly polluted by a number of sensationalist making unverifiable claims, dummied up photos and phony witnesses, as well as debunkers with ridiculous explanations to actual evidence that don't make sense. Both seek to gain notoriety and cash in on something that captures the attention of the public and have made serious research extremely difficult. That's unfortunate. But now we have the US Department of Defense releasing some compelling evidence of objects that behave in ways that so far we have no explanation for.
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So let’s say time travel exists - did they mitigate Covid? Would it have been far worse had they not?
At this point in America our DOD cannot be trusted. The guy in the video made logical fact based assertions. UFO's are cool to talk about but until we have more evidential fact from more creditable sources I'll remain a skeptic.
And in reality, the films and observations are little different from those taken by the military and others since the 40’s.
There are two differences: (1) the government is now admitting their reality, and (2) the “nicknames” of the devises like “flir,” aren’t cute names like calling a dog “spot,” but are highly sophisticated “films” capable of detecting heat, radiation, and other means of propulsion.
Google: “UFO’s deactivated nukes”
I agree with Musk. The disappointing aspect to me is that so many people who love these thought exercises refuse to consider the spiritual aspect of reality. It is virtually impossible that our material universe is the "really real" yet it is as if the spiritual realm as described in Scripture is impossible. Total depravity at play for sure.
Life exists all over the universe, but not at the same time. Life comes and goes. Waxes and wanes. Each never knowing of any other. Like the first modern humans 200,000 years ago with no idea other continents and other people existed.
Occasionally, every few billion civilizations, one world manages to advance enough to propagate out into the stars. More than likely sending out a type of seed pod to earth as that makes far more sense than a live biological traveler and much easier to preserve across the distance. Now the occasional unmanned drone checks up on the spring crop. To see how their little experiment went. How the viral infection they set upon the earth has tangled its kudzu vines in a stranglehold across the planet. We're no more "native" to earth than COVID is native to humans.
Occasionally, every few billion civilizations, one world manages to advance enough to propagate out into the stars. More than likely sending out a type of seed pod to earth as that makes far more sense than a live biological traveler and much easier to preserve across the distance. Now the occasional unmanned drone checks up on the spring crop. To see how their little experiment went. How the viral infection they set upon the earth has tangled its kudzu vines in a stranglehold across the planet. We're no more "native" to earth than COVID is native to humans.
Doesn't solve the problem of abiogenesis though...that initial civilization had to come from somewhere.
That is the flaw in our understanding of evolution and an ultimate creation. I talked about this in another thread. All the ingredients for life and the building blocks of the universe have always existed in a circular pattern. If you go far enough in the universe you will ultimately come back. A circle is the only shape that makes sense for ultimate creation and it is repeated in all the planets, all the stars, and certainly the universe. Within those sphere's the same ingredients are endlessly recycled and sometimes in extremely rare instances the result is life.
Carl Sagan said “The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be" and that is exactly right. To satisfy our primitive minds we ceaselessly demand to put things into a neat category but the universe doesn't play by those rules. It always has been and always will be. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. We, and everything else, are endlessly churning chemical reactions until we are returned to dust and once again scattered across the stars. The same ingredients recycled endlessly in a billion Big Bangs.
Call mine the Taco Bell Theory. The universe is like one big Taco Bell. Many different menu items, but always the same ingredients recycled over and over. Then at the end terrible diarrhea.
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We more or less posted the same things. The Prometheus theory. Kore or less. And its the one i lean towards tye most. But like poster said, circle or no circle, still doesn't explain what started the circle? We as humans for eons never understood the concept of zero. Until we did.
P.s. I hope there are transformers out there.
Then you fail to understand what “The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be" or "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed" mean.
The circle represents no beginning and no end. All the basic ingredients have always existed and will always exist in an endless churning. It may all even blow up in another Big Bang as the universe expands to some unknowable breaking point then repeats all over again with the same basic ingredients. Maybe there hasn't been just one Big Bang, maybe there have been billions. That's the ultimate shape of everything into infinity like looking into an endless stream of mirrors. You go as far as you can and wind up where you started. Step outside that and the same principle applies. Everything is circular as that is the one inviolable rule... around and around the endless circle because there is no beginning or end as it simply is, was, and always will be.
The universe is expanding, not only that, but accelerating its expansion. We don't know/understand why, that's what dark energy is, but it means that the universe eventually ends up expanding itself into a heat death since it just keeps on going and going and getting worse and worse. Eventually atoms are spaced out far apart from each other and near absolute zero occurs.
I understand the concept of the every expanding universe at an increasing rate, but if that's so, why do astrophysicists predict that at some time in the true the Milky Way will collide with our neighboring galaxy Andromeda?
That happens much earlier, like 2 billion years iirc. Andromeda is coming towards us gravitationally as galaxies exist in clusters or local groups where they collide and interact with one another to eventually coalesce.
The heat death of the universe happens well after that, and well after our sun explodes which I think is 4 billion more years. Assuming we as a species somehow survive all that and find a new home, at some point the expanding universe due to dark energy dictates that all other galaxies will end up too far away from us to even see them.
Here's an article describing what I'm talking about,
Decades of observations have only confirmed researchers' findings. All signs now point to a long and lonely death that peters out toward infinity. The scientific term for this fate is “heat death.”
But things will be rather desolate long before that happens.
"Just" a couple trillion years from now, the universe will have expanded so much that no distant galaxies will be visible from our own Milky Way, which will have long since merged with its neighbors. Eventually, 100 trillion years from now, all star formation will cease, ending the Stelliferous Era that’s be running since not long after our universe first formed.
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There is no way to explain the almost infinite contradictions to our ordered and rational world. This site is almost all about sports, but it is a very small part of the real world and all of the more important questions out there.
I'm sure everyone on here have their own stories to tell, but there is no way in hell I should be here at 83 years old with all the narrow escapes I have had in life, most from riding in cars with high school friends from my football teams that were driving drunk, when the whole area is "dry" the bootleggers don't check IDs. And a lot of it carried over to my own driving, lots of stupid situations. Invincible. And yet here I am with never having been in an accident where anyone was hurt, never a broken bone, never an operation, really no good explanation for most of it.
All those crazy risks when I had my whole life to live, and now that I don't have that much time left I am very conservative, go figure.
Who knows, by the time 80,000 years pass man may be on their fiftieth try at getting civilization right, and we might stumble on a success story eventually. When you consider the BILLIONS of years we know the earth has been around 80,000 years isn't very long.
And maybe somewhere in all that time another Hitler will succeed in ruling the world, he came VERY close the first time, maybe we do owe some thanks to drugs after all, although it may destroy the world we know now if we continue on our present path.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/leaked-ufo-swarm-video-navy
"The Pentagon is investigating a video that was revealed to the internet this week purportedly showing a swarm of UFOs circling a U.S. Navy combat ship. The leaked footage reportedly shows a mysterious event captured on the radar aboard the USS Omaha that took place in July 2019."
"The Pentagon is investigating a video that was revealed to the internet this week purportedly showing a swarm of UFOs circling a U.S. Navy combat ship. The leaked footage reportedly shows a mysterious event captured on the radar aboard the USS Omaha that took place in July 2019."
News now leaking out to everything from top secret Russian tech to a Cold War between US and China involving hypersonic drones. Doubling down on this. UFO’s are real but they aren’t ET’s.
Also, I don’t trust one sentence from US government on this. They are posturing for something, either money or sending veiled messages to RussoChina
Also, I don’t trust one sentence from US government on this. They are posturing for something, either money or sending veiled messages to RussoChina
