Ukraine

[~IRWT~]

Hard to believe a war like this is raging in Europe.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Hard to believe a war like this is raging in Europe.

Is it? We did everything we could for 3 decades to ensure it happened.

 

[~IRWT~]

Is it? We did everything we could for 3 decades to ensure it happened.

So it’s our fault?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

So it’s our fault?

Is it our fault? In some respects, yes. We moved NATO east at every opportunity. We knew Ukraine was a red line back in 2011, our own diplomatic cables that came out of Wikileaks said as much. How did we respond? We meddled in a foreign election and ran a color revolution in 2014, the Maidan Revolution. Again, jumping all over the red line we knew existed. Russians respond with annexing Crimea. Then we respond with assisting in the Donbas for what is effectively a civil war against Russian aligned people. Russia responds by invading.

Ukraine has a right to align itself with the west if it chooses. The Donbas wouldn’t have gone along with that plan though.

All of that said, it’s extremely messy, and Russia made the choice to invade or be cucked by us imposing our will against their western border. All of this nonsense about Putin wanting to remake the Soviet Union is nonsense. Putin wants a buffer between his border and the West, period. How are we responding? Bringing in Sweden and Finland to NATO. Russia has basically said don’t do that, we’re doing it. Sweden and Finland are accepting that they’re going to be invaded and they’re telling their people to prepare.

Make no mistake, the agency never really stopped fighting the Cold War, they’re of the mindset that they’re going to bring Russia to heel. They’re willing to sacrifice a lot of people in the process to make sure it happens. Ukraine is not winning and Russia is stronger now economically and militarily than when the invasion happened. Russia isn’t necessarily winning. You know who is? All of big Defense.

 

[The Dunedein]

Russia isn’t necessarily winning. You know who is? All of big Defense.

In case a peraon would want to make some innvestments, here's who appears to be benefiting currently:

"General Dynamics (GD), Lockheed Martin (LMT), and RTX will
benefit from continued presidential drawdowns and USAI funding made to support Ukraine given their large exposure to legacy ground-based systems.
The latest three packages included: High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and additional ammunition (LMT); NASAMS ammo (RTX); artillery rounds (GD); Tube-Launched (TOW) missiles (RTX); AIM-9M missiles (RTX); javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems (RTX, LMT); HARMs missiles (RTX); Patriot air defense battery and munitions (RTX); night vision devices (LHX); Bradley infantry vehicles (BAE); small arms; demolition ammo; spare parts, and other field equipment."

 

[roadtrasheer]

Is it our fault? In some respects, yes. We moved NATO east at every opportunity. We knew Ukraine was a red line back in 2011, our own diplomatic cables that came out of Wikileaks said as much. How did we respond? We meddled in a foreign election and ran a color revolution in 2014, the Maidan Revolution. Again, jumping all over the red line we knew existed. Russians respond with annexing Crimea. Then we respond with assisting in the Donbas for what is effectively a civil war against Russian aligned people. Russia responds by invading.

Ukraine has a right to align itself with the west if it chooses. The Donbas wouldn’t have gone along with that plan though.

All of that said, it’s extremely messy, and Russia made the choice to invade or be cucked by us imposing our will against their western border. All of this nonsense about Putin wanting to remake the Soviet Union is nonsense. Putin wants a buffer between his border and the West, period. How are we responding? Bringing in Sweden and Finland to NATO. Russia has basically said don’t do that, we’re doing it. Sweden and Finland are accepting that they’re going to be invaded and they’re telling their people to prepare.

Make no mistake, the agency never really stopped fighting the Cold War, they’re of the mindset that they’re going to bring Russia to heel. They’re willing to sacrifice a lot of people in the process to make sure it happens. Ukraine is not winning and Russia is stronger now economically and militarily than when the invasion happened. Russia isn’t necessarily winning. You know who is? All of big Defense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the U.S under Clinton talk Ukraine into giving up her nukes? I'd bet if Ukraine kept the nukes Russia wouldn't be so eager to attack.

 

[Gunny46]

So it’s our fault?

Definitely Obama and Biden's fault. Putin gains alot of ground when they hold office. Probably a good conspiracy hidden in that fact.