UL = Baylor

[slam212121]

Who are these parents that would allow their children to be a part of a coaching staff that is responsible for creating a culture of being up-standing people. Its insane.

Where's Al Pacino's speech?!? "A Baird man?!? Be careful of what kind of men you create here."

 

[slam212121]

My point is...Louisville has problems with Minardi....this is as bad as Minardi is the worse I ever seen...including Penn State.

It's not so much a problem with Minardi as it is a tolerance for scum bag leaders. Where's the back bone?

 

[Dallas-Wild]

My point is...Louisville has problems with Minardi....this is as bad as Minardi is the worse I ever seen...including Penn State.

And the point is nothing happened at your University....business as usual ....oh I know "we self imposed ourselves" total bull **** move to try and cover ones ***.

 

[Michigan Fan]

It's not so much a problem with Minardi as it is a tolerance for scum bag leaders. Where's the back bone?

I have no tolerance for Pitino...will not defend him

 

[hmt5000]

It's not that all of ul's kids are bad... it's that you don't care if they are or not. Dyer didn't last a year at Auburn or a week at arkie st but he's a roll model in Louisville. Fields beat a woman and by local accounts it wasn't his first strike but he's a choir boy in Louisville. At some point you are gonna be just like ut. Students beware

 

[Michigan Fan]

And the point is nothing happened at your University....business as usual ....oh I know "we self imposed ourselves" total bull **** move to try and cover ones ***.

Baylor has a couple of issues...as Dodds pointed out the NCAA has lived on that campus...2nd major coverup the 1st being basically covering up a murder...now covering up rapes....insane

 

[Dallas-Wild]

Baylor has a couple of issues...as Dodds pointed out the NCAA has lived on that campus...2nd major coverup the 1st being basically covering up a murder...now covering up rapes....insane

You keep saying issues....concern, contention, controversy, problem.

Those are things you deal with normally an action that takes place to uncover and fix...Baylor is taking action.....what has ul done?

I'll answer for you....Tom: Rick just deny deny deny......Rick: Oh I will deny deny deny

Pertrino tried the deny at UA....UA said uh NO the University is bigger and more important than you are.

 

[slam212121]

It not even the university. It's the adult people entrusted with educating our kids. Kids! If the adults are ENABLING a culture of crime then we are all in trouble.

I agree. There are good kids at UL in every sport. But why punish those good kids by rewarding those who committed crimes. I'm talking coaches and admins!

 

[Michigan Fan]

You keep saying issues....concern, contention, controversy, problem.

Those are things you deal with normally an action that takes place to uncover and fix...Baylor is taking action.....what has ul done?

I'll answer for you....Tom: Rick just deny deny deny......Rick: Oh I will deny deny deny

Pertrino tried the deny at UA....UA said uh NO the University is bigger and more important than you are.

Actually they covered it up...all the way maybe to Ken Starr...now they very well could be facing Federal Legal action as well

 

[Michigan Fan]

It not even the university. It's the adult people entrusted with educating our kids. Kids! If the adults are ENABLING a culture of crime then we are all in trouble.

I agree. There are good kids at UL in every sport. But why punish those good kids by rewarding those who committed crimes. I'm talking coaches and admins!

That is what apparently happened at Baylor....talking to women about the allegations..talking to their parents etc...etc. read the actual report and what happened at UofL and Baylor is not close...and I am not excusing what happened in Minardi Hall....but as I pointed out in this thread on a National Sports Board those guys don't even feel what happened at Louisville is no where close to what going on at Baylor.

 

[Dallas-Wild]

Actually they covered it up...all the way maybe to Ken Starr...now they very well could be facing Federal Legal action as well

You're actually proving my point.....they covered it up as ul has done in order to keep and protect Pitino.

You'd better hope the NCAA is not looking to close at the ul "ISSUES"

Look at any given University sometimes you get a bad person who does really bad things....but when the University does nothing to correct or change it....thats just as much a crime as the crime by a student.

If you think ole Tom and Rick aren't covering up....then you're covering up....what happen at Baylor compared to ul is worse I'll agree

 

[The_Godfather_rivals]

It's amazing how often troubled characters get booted from football factories, find a soft landing place in Louisville and AMAZINGLY never seem to find trouble again.

I mean, Jurich and Petrino need to be entrusted with running all of our correctional facilities due to their flawless work at rehabilitating troubled individuals.

 

[JHB4UK]

for all the dumb UL fans who love to quote arrest records & their "clean" record as some kind of vindication....

....how many of these Baylor rapists that cost Briles his job were ever actually arrested?

yeah

 

[Deeeefense]

Hmmm, Kentucky has lost 5 in a row and is rated as one of the top schools for team arrest with 18 and wants to play the holier than thou....."we do it the right way" card. I understand it is just fan bravado but it does look like of silly...the old we are moral and full of good kids while you are corrupt and all of your players are criminals. Realists who look at the world the way it really is instead how they want it to be knows every team has good kids and every team has some trouble makers. There is no such thing as we are good and you are bad. At least don't have your program as one of the leaders for arrests before you start throwing stones.

First I have not seen anyone in any official capacity at UK comment on the Baylor situation or make any kind of statement like you are suggesting. Message boards will be message boards.
Second an arrest is not a conviction. An arrest can be for something as minor as public intoxication. Yet on the stats it counts as "1" the same as an arrest for alleged rape counts as "1". An arrest does not necessarily mean you are guilty of anything.

The situation at Baylor was not just about the actions of some players, but rather the institution's dismissive nature and coverup of alleged sexual assaults and rapes - that's what got them in trouble, and the possibility of losing federal funding over potential Title IX violations in the process.

 

[The_Godfather_rivals]

for all the dumb UL fans who love to quote arrest records & their "clean" record as some kind of vindication....

....how many of these Baylor rapists that cost Briles his job were ever actually arrested?

yeah

No kidding. Those UofL morons are too ignorant to realize that a very low arrest count at a program who has cornered the market on collecting troubled guys who were booted from other schools, is actually supporting the theory.

 

[Michigan Fan]

You're actually proving my point.....they covered it up as ul has done in order to keep and protect Pitino.

You'd better hope the NCAA is not looking to close at the ul "ISSUES"

Look at any given University sometimes you get a bad person who does really bad things....but when the University does nothing to correct or change it....thats just as much a crime as the crime by a student.

If you think ole Tom and Rick aren't covering up....then you're covering up....what happen at Baylor compared to ul is worse I'll agree

Actually I "don't hope anything"...my attitude has always been if you do the crime and get caught you pay the price

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Couldn't find Louisville in the Top 25 of College Footballs "Most Arrested". http://collegespun.com/pac-12/washi...ams-with-the-most-arrests-in-the-last-5-years

Bayler wasn't on the list either, they just fired their ultra successful coach for covering things up. So I don't think I would be pointing that out as a plus.

Actually I "don't hope anything"...my attitude has always been if you do the crime and get caught you pay the price

I think Briles spent too many years coaching HS ball, winning big when coverups like this could be kept quiet. HS football is huge in Texas, as evident by the 60million$ approved by one school district for HS football. He got to college, became very successful and those type things have a way of finding daylight, you aren't dealing with poor uneducated people any longer.

 

[Deeeefense]

Bayler wasn't on the list either, they just fired their ultra successful coach for covering things up. So I don't think I would be pointing that out as a plus.



I think Briles spent too many years coaching HS ball, winning big when coverups like this could be kept quiet. HS football is huge in Texas, as evident by the 60million$ approved by one school district for HS football. He got to college, became very successful and those type things have a way of finding daylight, you aren't dealing with poor uneducated people any longer.

The pressure to win is enormous and it comes from both outside the institutions (big money boasters) and inside, and it leads to these kinds of situations. Title IX lawsuits however are changing the landscape. I look for a lot more of this to come. Unfortunately the backlash can cause the pendulum to swing too far to the other side and you have may have young men thrown out who may not necessarily be guilty of anything.

 

[slam212121]

Winning at all costs is wrong. Period.

 

[hmt5000]

Ul had to pay a former track coach for sexual discrimination. One of her claims was that an administrator asked her to wear skimpy outfits when the ncaa compliance dept was around. Stuff like that fuels the other rumors we hear.

 

[drbubba]

Yet on the National Sports board they are more than likely equate what happened at Baylor to what happened at Penn State....what I found ironic is they felt the shot Dodd took at Petrino and Tressel as unfair.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-780840.html

I think there are several important differences:
1. Baylor's issues are with sexual violence, which is a more serious problem than recruiting with prostitutes (though it's bad enough). Like UT and Bill Cosby, there will likely be costly and endless litigation that could go on for decades.
2. Baylor's board stepped up and is attempting to hold accountable those who were responsible or should be held responsible (debatable if Ken Starr got off too easy). UL denial, swept under rug what they can, taking a pistol out like the sherrif of Rock Ridge to gain sympathy from the feeble minded.
3. Since it involves recruiting, UL's case is getting the NCAA involved. Since it involves alleged crimes and civil suits, law enforcement and the courts are involved in Baylor.
4. Baylor doesn't have many prior offenses and seems to be owning up. UL has a bad history, reputation, and only punishes itself to make the issue go away.
5. We're mostly UK fans and Schadenfreude over UL is consumed with our morning coffee (not that this is good, it's just like that too often). Baylor's sins, well, let the Texans throw those stones.

 

[slam212121]

I think there are several important differences:
1. Baylor's issues are with sexual violence, which is a more serious problem than recruiting with prostitutes (though it's bad enough). Like UT and Bill Cosby, there will likely be costly and endless litigation that could go on for decades.
2. Baylor's board stepped up and is attempting to hold accountable those who were responsible or should be held responsible (debatable if Ken Starr got off too easy). UL denial, swept under rug what they can, taking a pistol out like the sherrif of Rock Ridge to gain sympathy from the feeble minded.
3. Since it involves recruiting, UL's case is getting the NCAA involved. Since it involves alleged crimes and civil suits, law enforcement and the courts are involved in Baylor.
4. Baylor doesn't have many prior offenses and seems to be owning up. UL has a bad history, reputation, and only punishes itself to make the issue go away.
5. We're mostly UK fans and Schadenfreude over UL is consumed with our morning coffee (not that this is good, it's just like that too often). Baylor's sins, well, let the Texans throw those stones.

UL deals with sexual payments for sex between underage children. While on campus. And it has yet to be determined where funds for this crime were derived from.

 

[jauk11]

So you guys are comparing us to Baylor, what school would you compare yourselves to?

Georgia, present day, since the NCAA tried to destroy both our major sports because of the actions of some very selfish individuals out of control.

 

[jauk11]

Hmmm, Kentucky has lost 5 in a row and is rated as one of the top schools for team arrest with 18 and wants to play the holier than thou....."we do it the right way" card. I understand it is just fan bravado but it does look like of silly...the old we are moral and full of good kids while you are corrupt and all of your players are criminals. Realists who look at the world the way it really is instead how they want it to be knows every team has good kids and every team has some trouble makers. There is no such thing as we are good and you are bad. At least don't have your program as one of the leaders for arrests before you start throwing stones.

UK doesn't make it a point to try to recruit every troublemaker they can that has been ejected from other schools, if they can play.

How do you explain the whole football team claiming to have a perfect APR when you have so many players that were kicked out of so many schools, your NC MVP player was kicked out of several schools, and it really takes something to get kicked out of Auburn if you are any good. How many players that are hooked on mj do you think there are that put their studies above everything else in life?

 

[jauk11]

Baylor = Louisville...well even with Louisville "So-Called" issues nobody in the National Media has questioned if Louisville should stay in the P5 after it allegations...Baylor now has some in the National Media doing just that:

Baylor's existence as a Power Five school should be up for review

Otherwise, Baylor's reputation and continued existence as a Power Five school is up for review. The Big 12 will not and cannot do anything at the moment. Its bylaws don't cover such scenarios. Imagine that.

But the market can speak. Common human decency can speak. Baylor's had its chance to prove it is big time, not just on the field but off it, too. It succeeded mightily in that first charge. Will the ways in which it reached that level be forgotten in eight years?

Forget the current strife. One source told CBS Sports that NCAA enforcement has spent more time on the Baylor campus than any other Big 12 school.

"Really, I don't hear about anybody else [in the Big 12]," the source said.

Briles' departure will no doubt mean a dip in football fortunes. To that point, if Baylor doesn't do it, the NCAA should: Allow current players to transfer without penalty. None of this is the fault of the vast majority of players that have come through the program or are on the team now.

To its credit, the Baylor administration acknowledged the results of Pepper Hamilton's findings and acted by firing a coach who was largely responsible for consecutive Big 12 titles, a Heisman Trophy winner and a new state-of-the-art stadium.

But it's worth reviewing why Baylor is playing big-time sports to begin with. As in all things Texas, politics were involved. When the Big 12 was being formed around 1994, it helped that Baylor alum Ann Richards was the state's governor when the Southwest Conference was breaking up.


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Baylor was basically nothing in football when it was thrown that lifeline by the Big 12. It continued to be nothing until Briles arrived in 2008. But at what cost?

Those TV contracts saved Baylor in 2010 and 2011 when Fox and ESPN agreed that a 10-team league including the Bears was worth saving. It's hard to believe that would be the same case today.

In fact, Big 12 expansion to places like Cincinnati and UConn suddenly looks a lot more appealing. Their morals have to be a notch or two above Baylor's, at least.

As for the ongoing problem of violence against women, this is not just a Baylor thing; it's everywhere. When are we going to not totally subject ourselves to a football coach's cult of personality? The most powerful of those are allowed to act with impunity.

Eighteen wheelers emblazoned with the school's logo in front of a recruit's house. Satellite camps in Australia. While none of that compares to ignoring sexual assault claims, it does remind of the unadulterated power we've given some of these guys.

Briles will find work again because Bobby Petrino found work again and because Jim Tressel found work again. Incredibly, Ohio State's former coach is the Youngstown State president while serving a five-year show cause order for lying to the NCAA.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-a-power-five-school-should-be-up-for-review/

No one knows how soon Briles will be a head coach again, no one knows when BP will leave in the middle of the night.

Did you read about the whole floor of a hotel that was rented and staffed by paid prostitutes for recruits while hurtt was there? Do you think that hurtt really had to "borrow" the $5,000 to keep his power from being turned off, what does the NROTY make anyway? Don't you think it was MUCH more likely used for FIFTY hundred dollar handshakes, AND that it would never have never been repaid (and it was probably replaced with $5,000 in cash as soon as it was paid by the shyster that took in NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY MILLION dollars) if things hadn't gotten too hot?

We all KNOW how hurtt got the NROTY at the U, in the middle of all that talent UL dragged a thousand miles away from the beaches (and Bridgewater away from his poor beloved mother, that never missed a game it seemed like, she could have driven across town to see all his games) to UL's Ohio River Riverfront, where you are forbidden to eat the fish.

How in the hell did he do it at UL, another crook that magically changed his stripes under jurich's tutelage, LOL.

 

[jauk11]

I have no tolerance for Pitino...will not defend him

That's damn funny. But you will take all the wins, and many of your fans will come over here to brag.

No, actually don't think it is funny, I think it is pretty pathetic.

If it can happen at Baylor, it sure as hell can happen at UL, in fact it has already started with basketball.

 

[jauk11]

Baylor has a couple of issues...as Dodds pointed out the NCAA has lived on that campus...2nd major coverup the 1st being basically covering up a murder...now covering up rapes....insane

How soon was the women overdosing in the dorm reported? What really happened there?

Does anyone have the details of that "incident". Hopefully not just the sanitized story fed to the public, was anything at all reported at the time, what was the story at the time of death?

 

[ajgcardman]

How soon was the women overdosing in the dorm reported? What really happened there?

Jauk, You do realize that the girl who perished was a recovering heroine addict, who like so many, couldn't stay clean. She became addicted while attending Arizona State. She went through rehab and came home, but couldn't stay clean. Nothing against ASU, because it's happening on every campus across the nation, including in Louisville and Lexington.

Unfortunately, her boyfriend was garbage (Zeke Pike), and the player's dorm she was found in (Cameron Polk) was busted for selling drugs shortly thereafter (yes, players are arrested at Louisville, too). Neither of those players were recruited to UofL by Petrino, but both were dismissed by him. Pike was another one of those 2nd chance guys that didn't work out. There was allegedly no evidence that directly tied either one of them to her death, and with her past, prior to meeting them, I could understand the difficulty of blaming others for her death without any solid evidence.

I can't believe I actually made a post in this thread...must be a slow night. [winking]

 

[jauk11]

I asked because I don't know very much about the "incident", thanks for the info. I knew it was in a players room, didn't know ANOTHER transfer was involved with her, is heroin what killed her, and was Pike involved in heroin, since he was her boy friend.

I think the big issue surrounding this case is that it was supposed to have been covered up for quite a while, I don't know what part of it, hard to hide a death, maybe that it was in a players room and that she was involved with ANOTHER transfer at Transfer U.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

No, and you never will - Petrino, Pitino and Jurich makes sure they don't actually get arrested. Maybe a better metric would be arrests per player, regardless of where they were arrested. It seems UofL transfers miraculously reform once they arrive at UofL. It's quite the success story....

I can confirm that Pitino works closely with Louisville Metro. I know of a player that was taken to the station and Louisville's finest called Pitino and Rick sent someone to pick him up and no charges were ever filed. I believe the player was drunk driving underage. The guy was a walk-on too I can only imagine what they do for starters

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

Jauk, You do realize that the girl who perished was a recovering heroine addict, who like so many, couldn't stay clean. She became addicted while attending Arizona State. She went through rehab and came home, but couldn't stay clean. Nothing against ASU, because it's happening on every campus across the nation, including in Louisville and Lexington.

Unfortunately, her boyfriend was garbage (Zeke Pike), and the player's dorm she was found in (Cameron Polk) was busted for selling drugs shortly thereafter (yes, players are arrested at Louisville, too). Neither of those players were recruited to UofL by Petrino, but both were dismissed by him. Pike was another one of those 2nd chance guys that didn't work out. There was allegedly no evidence that directly tied either one of them to her death, and with her past, prior to meeting them, I could understand the difficulty of blaming others for her death without any solid evidence.

I can't believe I actually made a post in this thread...must be a slow night. [winking]

My girlfriend was a ladybird (I'm an alum) and as soon as the story broke of the girl's death she immediately assumed drugs before it was made public. My girlfriend said that coke was a mainstay of the cheerleaders and the football/basketball players that associated with them. Not that UL is the only place that it happens but coming from someone that knew the people personally it was part of the culture there

 

[ulismyman]

I brought this up on Rafters and got laughed at for it

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

The pressure to win is enormous and it comes from both outside the institutions (big money boasters) and inside, and it leads to these kinds of situations. Title IX lawsuits however are changing the landscape. I look for a lot more of this to come. Unfortunately the backlash can cause the pendulum to swing too far to the other side and you have may have young men thrown out who may not necessarily be guilty of anything.

You are right, the pressure is enormous and its to win NOW, not 2-3 years down the road but right now.

As a parent of a daughter who was able to take advantage of what Title IX did for women's athletics I thought it was a great thing. When I was in college women's athletics weren't much more competitive than club sports, UGA competed on the same level as the smallest schools in the state and it took several years for it to advance to a point that just wasn't good anymore. But it gave talented female athletes a chance to get a free education too. I didn't realize it also protected females from bullying and sexual assaults until recently which is also a good thing. But one has to wonder how many of these cases come up because of "buyers remorse" after a couple of days when the guy isn't coming around like she thought he would? It puts guys in a difficult place for sure, 1 sexual assault is too many, but 1 innocent accused is also too many.

 

[ajgcardman]

I asked because I don't know very much about the "incident", thanks for the info. I knew it was in a players room, didn't know ANOTHER transfer was involved with her, is heroin what killed her, and was Pike involved in heroin, since he was her boy friend.

I think the big issue surrounding this case is that it was supposed to have been covered up for quite a while, I don't know what part of it, hard to hide a death, maybe that it was in a players room and that she was involved with ANOTHER transfer at Transfer U.

There is a lot of public information out there that you can read about this case. It's been covered pretty heavily. The kid's mother has been vocal about the incident in hopes of increasing awareness about opiate addiction. It has become an epidemic in our society.

I don't know about any Pike involvement in heroine, or any other drug use, but I've been told he had a problem complying with simple rules, which led to his quick demise at Louisville.

 

[Blueaz]

At least at Baylor none of the vics were killed in a player's apartment by having drugs jammed in their blood vessels

this is mind blowing...that nothing ever became of this

 

[Blueaz]

So you guys are comparing us to Baylor, what school would you compare yourselves to?

steelers would perma-ban a UK fan for that comment on your board

 

[Blueaz]

Couldn't find Louisville in the Top 25 of College Footballs "Most Arrested". http://collegespun.com/pac-12/washi...ams-with-the-most-arrests-in-the-last-5-years

dead cheerleader...minardi hall...nothing else remotely compares

 

[ukalumni00]

Petrino is living proof that no matter what you do someone will hire you again if you win games. All these scumbag coaches land softly somewhere again getting a fat paycheck while their former program and fan base are left holding the remains of what said coach left for them to deal with. It's shameful, but not surprising. People like Petrino are low forms of life who deserve zero respect no matter how great they are at what they do.

I want Stoops to start winning as much as anyone, but if it means running a rogue program he can be shown the door right now. No program is immune to knuckleheads (example Hatcher), but it's what a coach does to correct the problem is what matters. So far it appears Stoops is running a pretty tight ship, but who really knows what is going on behind the scenes. I am sure Baylor fans thought everything was going their way and then this comes out.

 

[ukalum1988]

I don't know about any Pike involvement in heroine, or any other drug use, but I've been told he had a problem complying with simple rules, which led to his quick demise at Louisville.

You've got to be pretty bad to get dismissed from the UofL program. My guess is that Pike wasn't getting it done, hence the opportunity for a little "roster management".

 

[Dallas-Wild]

You've got to be pretty bad to get dismissed from the UofL program. My guess is that Pike wasn't getting it done, hence the opportunity for a little "roster management".

Great point...if he was performing on the field and producing there...he would have not been gone no matter.