UL loses OC to Illinois

[WildCard]

So do you think he left because he wanted out? Since the money was a lateral move.

Yes, I think so.

I just put up a long post on the Cards board on this subject. In summary, being OC for guys like CBP, Dana Holgerson, Keith Sumlin, et. al. is really different than most OC jobs. The bottom line at these places is the HC is the de facto OC; as OC you "help him out" but you don't get to develop/operate your own scheme and call your own plays. You may learn a lot by working for an offensive guru but your "role" is limited. And that, IMO, limits your resume as you try to climb the coaching ladder.

And given the HUGE disparity between his salary and the other staff salaries (except for Grantham but that is another issue entire, e.g., Grantham runs the scheme and calls all the shots on defense) I don't think UofL was in a position to say: "Here's another $250K; we need you here".

Counting AR, this was his 4th year as "Assistant OC" under CBP. It was probably time for him too move on, especially since he is getting the same salary he was being paid at UofL (i.e., a top 20 assistant salary). Unless, of course, he wanted to stay here and do less and hope it translated into another HC job somewhere.

Peace

 

[SlykkteeHMail]

I see it as a career move...get a chance to call his own plays and run the offense at Illinois and apparently has a good relationship with Lovie Smith...he does well at U of I he could land another HC gig...myself more interested on see who Petrino replaces him with...would not mind seeing Stefan LeFors myself if they want someone to coach the QB Position

The coach at Cumberland?

 

[JDHoss]

WildCard said: ↑
Well, CBP is a pathologically lying, ethically challenged sack of dung and can be a dick head.
Peace


Have and express your own opinions. And dispute my opinions as you see fit.

But I respectfully request you refrain from editing my comments in your rebuttals.

Peace

Maybe if you'd quit pretending to be a UK fan while coming here to make excuses for the cesspool at UaVel, I'd consider it.

 

[SlykkteeHMail]

You can say that for a lot of college programs including Kentucky...from the 3rd OC in 3 years to losing one of the top recruiters in Ansley...

Concern losing McGee at this late date...somewhat but not freaking out...it is the nature of the business

TPE, usually you come with a lot of objective knowledge that I usually admire but here you are grasping at a straw and trying to hold up a house of cards.
Our 3 OCs were 1. Hometown native who left as HC (level up) 2. A mistake that was fired not left for a lateral move to a lesser trajectory school. 3. The current was our HC first choice when he took the job but due to loyalty he stayed at he previous job till now.
And Ansley left for the best football program not in the NFL.
So really no comparison to losing 4 assistants to lateral moves when the team they leave is "projected" to be one of the top in a P5 conference. Unprecedented my friend.

 

[SlykkteeHMail]

Found a video of Petrino-san getting ready for practice...

Hilarious! That was amazing. Now I see why CBS is so captivating to their fans. I couldn't take my eyes off him! [roll]

 

[jauk11]

Since 1998 only missed 3 years of Bowl...including 2 NYD Six Bowl win..That is 15 seasons of Bowl eligibility...if Kentucky had that type of success you would be proud....but the Wildcats haven't been to a Bowl game since 2010...also...last I checked Louisville is in a P5 League and the last time Louisville and Cincinnati is not-(but that could change this summer since the Big XII might expand and they are rumored to be near the top of their list)

The last time Louisville played Boise State...they beat them...that year BSU went into that Bowl Game in the Top 10 and undefeated. Also...would not advise a Kentucky fan throwing shade at Boise State Football...Boise State this Century is the better program then both Commonwealth Programs...

I guess Illinois must have a better record AND a better upside (more important wouldn't you say?) And our DB coach left for the number one program in the country with the greatest talent (Nineteen FIVE stars, not a mistake, probably on the roster next year, (How many on UL's, and UK will finally have one) and what most acknowledge to be the best head coach. I think I also read where they pay their coaching staff $50,000,000 a year, incredible as it seems. And our RB coach left to go back to his alma mater, happens quite a bit, PLUS he was a RB in college coaching RBs that was told to move to a WR position that he didn't really have that much interest in or knowledge about.

Our coaches obviously left quite a bit earlier in the cycle, important for recruiting, etc.

 

[Michigan Fan]

FYI...was done with this thread but possible news on the Louisville OC Search...looks like it is Lonnie Galloway from WVU and current Louisville OL Coach Chris Klenakis as Co-Offensive Coordinators.

The University of Louisville football team is set to hire West Virginia wide receivers coach Lonnie Galloway as its new co-offensive coordinator, according to a report late Sunday night by WVU writer Mike Casazza of the Charleston (W.Va.) Gazette-Mail.

Galloway would replace former offensive coordinator Garrick McGee, who left Louisville this past week to become the OC on Lovie Smith's staff at Illinois.

Galloway, who is also West Virginia's associate head coach, is in his second stint as the Mountaineers' wide receivers coach, having worked there from 2008-10 and 2013 to the present. He was the receivers coach and passing game co-coordinator at Wake Forest from 20011-12.

Galloway helped WVU have the No. 23 total offense in the Football Bowl Subdivision in 2015 and No. 12 in 2014.

He was the position coach at WVU for 2015 first-round draft pick Kevin White, and recruited and coached 2013 first-round pick Tavon Austin.

He is said to be a strong recruiter, and, according to 247Sports.com, he was a primary recruiter over the years for Austin, current Oakland Raiders linebaker Bruce Irvin and multiple other four-star prospects.

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...e-galloway-co-offensive-coordinator/81750442/

 

[JHB4UK]

sounds good, hope you have the same sucess we did hiring one of Holgerson's offensive staff members

 

[Michigan Fan]

Myself....like the fact he has strong ties in Florida especially Miramar High School and was considered WVU best recruiter along side Ja'Juan Seider...plus like the fact he turned former "2*" WR Kevin White into a Top 10 NFL Draft pick...picked ahead of DeVante Parker in the 2015 NFL Draft

 

[HedleyLamarr]

Petrino is, and was, the real OC. He needed to replace McGee as a recruiter and position coach, and this appears to be a good hire. I like that the WVU board is really unhappy about this. Time will tell, but I'm not comfortable with all the coaching turnover, especially for such a young, talented team. McGee leaving what he has returning, to go rebuild Illinois with Lovie, only makes sense if his goal is to get to the NFL. It won't look good for him if the Louisville offense improves after this, which it very likely will. Played a lot of freshmen last year.

 

[Oldtrainer_rivals]

Petrino is, and was, the real OC. He needed to replace McGee as a recruiter and position coach, and this appears to be a good hire. I like that the WVU board is really unhappy about this. Time will tell, but I'm not comfortable with all the coaching turnover, especially for such a young, talented team. McGee leaving what he has returning, to go rebuild Illinois with Lovie, only makes sense if his goal is to get to the NFL. It won't look good for him if the Louisville offense improves after this, which it very likely will. Played a lot of freshmen last year.

How many true and red shirt freshmen did Cards play last season? Who were they and their positions?

 

[Michigan Fan]

The Cardinals started 2 RS Freshmen...OG. McNeil & TE Mickey Crum...4 True Freshman in QB Jackson, OT Christian, OT Thomas-(split time with Epps) and WR Jaylen Smith

 

[PushupMan]

It is interesting that Louisville loses 4 coaches and Paul declines the OC position just as whoregate is about to go public for the basketball team. Anyone else think the football program is getting a little nervous?

I am sure there are quite a few UK fans that hope for that to be the case. And I am even more sure that those hopes will forever be in vain.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

Myself....like the fact he has strong ties in Florida especially Miramar High School and was considered WVU best recruiter along side Ja'Juan Seider...plus like the fact he turned former "2*" WR Kevin White into a Top 10 NFL Draft pick...picked ahead of DeVante Parker in the 2015 NFL Draft

You already promised you were done with this thread, don't go back on your word!

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

I am sure there are quite a few UK fans that hope for that to be the case. And I am even more sure that those hopes will forever be in vain.

I'm sure you're right that there are some UK fans that are HOPING that katinagate floods over, but I'm equally sure that you have very little insight so as to KNOW that there is no spillover into football. At this point, your entire university is proving to have a lot of corruption and scandal, so not sure why you would be infinitely confident that the football program is sterling clean, especially given the questionable character of the guy who runs it (questionable is generous).

 

[WildCard]

How many true and red shirt freshmen did Cards play last season? Who were they and their positions?

The Cards had 7 true or red shirt freshmen make at least 1 start last regular season and 3 others are listed in the Music City Bowl 2 deep. Per Music City Bowl Game notes...

M. Crum r-FR TE (6 starts)
L. McNeil r-FR OL (8 starts)

G. Christian t-FR OL (12 starts)
L. Jackson t-FR QB (5 starts
J. Smith t-FR WR (9 starts)
K. Thomas t-FR OL (5 starts)
J. Alexander t-FR CB (1 start)

True freshman WRs D. Peete (all games), T. Samuels (all games), E. Spence (7 games) and red shirt freshman ILB I. Steward (8 games) also played and Peete and Samuels were regular 2 deep players. So if I tabulated correctly that looks like a total of 8 true and 3 red shirt freshmen played (most in starting or 2nd team roles). There were also 7 true sophomores in starting or 2 deep roles.

Peace

 

[JHB4UK]

lolololol, so now the "real" wide receiver coach of last season, Petrino's boy, is now the real & true named quarterbacks coach

 

[PushupMan]

I'm sure you're right that there are some UK fans that are HOPING that katinagate floods over, but I'm equally sure that you have very little insight so as to KNOW that there is no spillover into football. At this point, your entire university is proving to have a lot of corruption and scandal, so not sure why you would be infinitely confident that the football program is sterling clean, especially given the questionable character of the guy who runs it (questionable is generous).

I am 100% certain that I have significantly more insight into this than you do.

We should have an answer to this within the next six months. The Notice of Allegations issued by the NCAA will decide the winner. If football is included in the list of allegations, you win. If they are not, I win. I will offer you essentially the same bet I offered UKErik back in 2013 for the UK-UofL football game. $100. Name your charity. Mine is the Boys and Girls Club of Lawrence County, Indiana.

 

[DerVille]

The Cardinals started 2 RS Freshmen...OG. McNeil & TE Mickey Crum...4 True Freshman in QB Jackson, OT Christian, OT Thomas-(split time with Epps) and WR Jaylen Smith

You left off Jaire Alexander CB/KR, Travon Harris WR, Devonte Peete WR & Traveon Samuel WR. I think you may be replying only with starters but he only asked who played.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Mods, lock this please. It's starting to stink.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

I am 100% certain that I have significantly more insight into this than you do.

We should have an answer to this within the next six months. The Notice of Allegations issued by the NCAA will decide the winner. If football is included in the list of allegations, you win. If they are not, I win. I will offer you essentially the same bet I offered UKErik back in 2013 for the UK-UofL football game. $100. Name your charity. Mine is the Boys and Girls Club of Lawrence County, Indiana.

Absolutely not. The NCAA is not a court of law. If the football program is not implicated, it does not mean that the football program was not involved. It may simply mean that there were not the same smoking guns in football recruiting.

if you're such an insider, why didn't you tell all of us that these parties were taking place before the news broke? Or perhaps you can tell us the source of the money that your school was using to pay prostitutes? Tell us more, oh wise one.

 

[hmt5000]

It would seem that the sexual harassment lawsuit ul had to pay off to the female coach may come back to haunt them. Anyone remember her comments about being asked to wear short skirts on campus when the ncaa compliance officer was around to help lighten the mood? That just screams dirty athletics program.

 

[jauk11]

I am sure there are quite a few UK fans that hope for that to be the case. And I am even more sure that those hopes will forever be in vain.

Do you have any idea of how long forever is? Probably not, since you are a UL fan.

I had little doubt that the program your AD runs would run into some serious trouble sooner or later, just a little surprised it was basketball before football. But then once the NCAA starts looking around some things should jump out at them, like hurtt's prior record and magical recruiting at a struggling UL.

And please try to explain to me with a straight face how all those transfers kicked out of legitimate Universities, JC players that had trouble making the grades in high school, druggies your program run by coaches of low character attract and that jurich probably hunts up, criminals, etc manage to compile a PERFECT APR score. UNC had some pretty good scholars also. And sorry, I don't have a lot of sympathy for your basketball transfers (the regulars even less), they should have had some idea of what they were getting into, probably didn't think it would happen so soon though.

I do worry about BP's recruiting being much better than I expected though, the obvious explanation is that a lot of borderline druggies and criminals find your program very attractive and pretty safe haven. But it is funny how some youngsters think they can get away with anything------Hatcher probably thought if Quick can get away with it so could he, but it is a very different situation. That along with the "Transfer U" situation adding a lot of talent that doesn't show up on recruiting rankings does make for pretty good talent------until the whole situation blows up in your face.

And yes, I do believe that will happen, and the prostitutes might be the opening for a lot of other questions about your program. All your players are borderline Rhodes Scholars, hurtt never cheated and jurich and Strong didn't have to try to keep him happy, the coverups by jurich, the prostitutes, the money jurich throws around, just a few of the very good indicators.

Of course the NCAA is a joke, so that is in your favor, along with the great beaches along the Ohio River.

 

[PushupMan]

Absolutely not. The NCAA is not a court of law. If the football program is not implicated, it does not mean that the football program was not involved. It may simply mean that there were not the same smoking guns in football recruiting.

if you're such an insider, why didn't you tell all of us that these parties were taking place before the news broke? Or perhaps you can tell us the source of the money that your school was using to pay prostitutes? Tell us more, oh wise one.

Okay, I will throw you a bone here ... but first I have to say that, if football isn't implicated in the NoA, then that's basically my point. UK fans can hope that UofL football gets punished for our success under Coach Strong, but those hopes will forever be in vain. And yes, jauk, I mean forever - as in UofL football will NEVER receive ANY punishment for the time that Bridgewater, Strong and Hurtt were at the school.

So now the bone ... it is obvious where the money came from. It came from Andre McGee's bank account. Try making $105K per year while living rent free in a dormitory after playing two years of professional basketball in Europe and see how much spending money you have available. I'm expecting that you will find that you have quite a lot.

One piece of this I'm not certain of yet is whether "Coach Mike" was also involved in providing cash to Andre. That actually does make some sense, because an assistant coach has a pretty strong motive to see UofL land these players. That motive would be to parlay success as an assistant at UofL into a head coaching job. I could actually see an unscrupulous assistant providing McGee with approximately $2000 per year for "entertainment" purposes.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

Okay, I will throw you a bone here ... but first I have to say that, if football isn't implicated in the NoA, then that's basically my point. UK fans can hope that UofL football gets punished for our success under Coach Strong, but those hopes will forever be in vain. And yes, jauk, I mean forever - as in UofL football will NEVER receive ANY punishment for the time that Bridgewater, Strong and Hurtt were at the school.

So now the bone ... it is obvious where the money came from. It came from Andre McGee's bank account. Try making $105K per year while living rent free in a dormitory after playing two years of professional basketball in Europe and see how much spending money you have available. I'm expecting that you will find that you have quite a lot.

One piece of this I'm not certain of yet is whether "Coach Mike" was also involved in providing cash to Andre. That actually does make some sense, because an assistant coach has a pretty strong motive to see UofL land these players. That motive would be to parlay success as an assistant at UofL into a head coaching job. I could actually see an unscrupulous assistant providing McGee with approximately $2000 per year for "entertainment" purposes.

I don't have any idea about the improprieties that existed while Hurtt was there. What i think most reasonable people would agree with is that a leopard doesn't generally change his spots. If he was dirty in Miami, then he's probably dirty at UL. Agree? The man's name is on checks from Nevin Shapiro, this guy is dirty. Now, is there a smoking gun during his time at UL? I don't know, and neither do you.

As for Andre McGee, you are again stating your opinions as though they are fact. Andre Mcgee was not necessarily using his own money, especially if it was the larger denominations that recent reports suggest. And frankly, if Andre McGee is using prostitutes and strippers to try and get recruits, why would he use his own money? That would be like a salesman electing to buy client dinners with his own funds instead of using the company expense account. It makes no sense. If it was his own money, then he was likely being reimbursed by someone. With that said, I don't have any proof except that UL has admitted to serious violations. So, I'll wait to see what the NCAA says before I jump to final conclusions.

As a UK fan, I'm not hoping for one outcome over another (and certainly, I wouldn't want to do so "in vain"), except that I think UL has proven to be a corrupt institution from top to bottom. Do you not agree with this? As of right now, we now know that cheating and ethical violations have occurred throughout the institution from the President to the basketball coach and many levels in between. Why aren't more UL fans outraged at the stain that has been cast upon your university?