UNC Response to Amended NOA

[DevilDJ]

Ridpath. Scathing. As it should be....


I believe, and think anyone off the street who is not a North Carolina fan or apologist knows, that this was a long standing scheme that would not have occurred as long or to the level it did but for the benefit to certain athletes.

Thumbing their noses at the NCAA and its authority is a nice way to put it. Some reporters called it a straight up middle finger.

University of North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in a most disingenuous way...Wow! Cunningham conveniently forgets the NCAA has gotten its hand in academics, classes, and other curricular issues that by his statements they should not be doing.

UNC could still face some penalties and the NCAA could push back against this pack sand response and actually punish a program that deserves it. Yes they do deserve it in my view and the reasons are clear. By NCAA rules, this was extra benefits and academic fraud by any analysis

Unfortunately in my view I think UNC will essentially be off the hook when this mercifully ends...

While this is a travesty to me, there can be a silver lining...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...akes-another-interesting-turn/2/#238c86451d6c

 

[hpnole]

Jeff Sharp: UNC not setting good example to students

After committing 20 years of fraud that was a blatant attempt to cheat at athletics; after never-ending attempts to cover up, delay and avoid responsibility and just punishment; after throwing “expendable” employees under the bus while making every attempt to protect and preserve demonstrably far more guilty parties (and dishonorably obtained championships), UNC is now basing its entire case of the legal hair-splitting of the word “anomalous.”

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article93773917.html

Guess I, like a lot of others are confused. Is this case over with or not? A few weeks ago DBR had an article which basically said they were home free . However, after reading the article in the N&O, they might not necessarily be home free. What are the chances that the NCAA does the right thing and hammers them.

Ridpath. Scathing. As it should be....


I believe, and think anyone off the street who is not a North Carolina fan or apologist knows, that this was a long standing scheme that would not have occurred as long or to the level it did but for the benefit to certain athletes.

Thumbing their noses at the NCAA and its authority is a nice way to put it. Some reporters called it a straight up middle finger.

University of North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in a most disingenuous way...Wow! Cunningham conveniently forgets the NCAA has gotten its hand in academics, classes, and other curricular issues that by his statements they should not be doing.

UNC could still face some penalties and the NCAA could push back against this pack sand response and actually punish a program that deserves it. Yes they do deserve it in my view and the reasons are clear. By NCAA rules, this was extra benefits and academic fraud by any analysis

Unfortunately in my view I think UNC will essentially be off the hook when this mercifully ends...

While this is a travesty to me, there can be a silver lining...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...akes-another-interesting-turn/2/#238c86451d6c

Ridpath. Scathing. As it should be....


I believe, and think anyone off the street who is not a North Carolina fan or apologist knows, that this was a long standing scheme that would not have occurred as long or to the level it did but for the benefit to certain athletes.

Thumbing their noses at the NCAA and its authority is a nice way to put it. Some reporters called it a straight up middle finger.

University of North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in a most disingenuous way...Wow! Cunningham conveniently forgets the NCAA has gotten its hand in academics, classes, and other curricular issues that by his statements they should not be doing.

UNC could still face some penalties and the NCAA could push back against this pack sand response and actually punish a program that deserves it. Yes they do deserve it in my view and the reasons are clear. By NCAA rules, this was extra benefits and academic fraud by any analysis

Unfortunately in my view I think UNC will essentially be off the hook when this mercifully ends...

While this is a travesty to me, there can be a silver lining...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...akes-another-interesting-turn/2/#238c86451d6c

good article . Most of the heel fans that I know really don't care, as long as the BB team gets off. I might also point out that most are not grads of Tarhole tech either. My guess is the grads just want it to go away and get back to business as usual. The NCAA is a joke. Any school ,facing any kind of sanctions ,should be able to site this case and skate.

 

[skysdad]

To all unc fans. Stay loyal to your team, support them, pull for them with passion. Pull hard against Duke. That's fine. You are tar heel fans and they are your team no matter what. But daggumit get your heads out of the daggum sand accept the cheating and demand those who are in control never put your team in that situation again. Demand integrity and stop making excuses and justifications by saying everyone else does it. Stand up and demand better. OFC

 

[QC Dukie]

@UNC '92

Shocker that dickslinger jr likes this.

OFC

 

[skysdad]

Shocker that dickslinger jr likes this.

OFC

I think he thinks he has our huckleberry. OFC

 

[KellenPatrick]

@UNC '92

What a loser. Can't believe you are still able to "poast" here. Total moron.

 

[topps coach]

What a loser. Can't believe you are still able to "poast" here. Total moron.

Difference between our board and THR we allow dissenting views regardless of how stupid and annoying they are

 

[Anon1728003274]

Isnt it amazing how they love to crash our party by "poasting" on our board????Lol... I think its more of a "cant lick em, join em" thing considering the dryspell since '09 while we copped not ONE, but TWO rings....Heck their school even showed their allegiance to K by "honoring" him with an award....Their fanbase responded with a thundering standing "O" in appreciation of excellence... The psychological ploy failed- Tyus put on a clinic.....Tyus Stones-
#CarolinaKiller

OFC

 

[QC Dukie]

Isnt it amazing how they love to crash our party by "poasting" on our board????Lol... I think its more of a "cant lick em, join em" thing considering the dryspell since '09 while we copped not ONE, but TWO rings....Heck their school even showed their allegiance to K by "honoring" him with an award....Their fanbase responded with a thundering standing "O" in appreciation of excellence... The psychological ploy failed- Tyus put on a clinic.....Tyus Stones-
#CarolinaKiller

OFC

Yea, it's human nature to be envious of something you want but can't have. That's the position they are in presently. There was a time when they thought they ruled the college badketball world. Those days are long gone and they're having a horrible time accepting it.

OFC

 

[Phillfan]

Ridpath. Scathing. As it should be....


I believe, and think anyone off the street who is not a North Carolina fan or apologist knows, that this was a long standing scheme that would not have occurred as long or to the level it did but for the benefit to certain athletes.

Thumbing their noses at the NCAA and its authority is a nice way to put it. Some reporters called it a straight up middle finger.

University of North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in a most disingenuous way...Wow! Cunningham conveniently forgets the NCAA has gotten its hand in academics, classes, and other curricular issues that by his statements they should not be doing.

UNC could still face some penalties and the NCAA could push back against this pack sand response and actually punish a program that deserves it. Yes they do deserve it in my view and the reasons are clear. By NCAA rules, this was extra benefits and academic fraud by any analysis

Unfortunately in my view I think UNC will essentially be off the hook when this mercifully ends...

While this is a travesty to me, there can be a silver lining...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...akes-another-interesting-turn/2/#238c86451d6c

Could not agree more.

 

[DevilDJ]

Guess I, like a lot of others are confused. Is this case over with or not? A few weeks ago DBR had an article which basically said they were home free . However, after reading the article in the N&O, they might not necessarily be home free. What are the chances that the NCAA does the right thing and hammers them.


good article . Most of the heel fans that I know really don't care, as long as the BB team gets off. I might also point out that most are not grads of Tarhole tech either. My guess is the grads just want it to go away and get back to business as usual. The NCAA is a joke. Any school ,facing any kind of sanctions ,should be able to site this case and skate.

Pretty much my take too. I'm surprised how many unx fans don't even KNOW about it. Of course , given the severity of what happened , that ignorance be a by-product of not WANTING to know. Anyway....


UNC vs. NCAA could be college sports’ biggest contest

The University of North Carolina’s response to the NCAA’s charges related to phony classes for athletes is an attempt to duck a punch. UNC claims the sports governing body has no jurisdiction regarding the quality or integrity of classes. That, the university says, is the province of UNC’s accrediting agency, not the NCAA.

But on another level, the university’s argument is much more of a confrontation than an evasion. The university is testing the NCAA’s will and its powers. The outcome could undermine the governing body at a time when college football and basketball are at a turning point regarding the treatment of athletes and the role of the NCAA.

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/ned-barnett/article94155542.html

 

[DevilDJ]

Could also write a companion follow-up article entitled , "Don't Use SACS Either." unx: a scumbag minor-league sports franchise masquerading as a university. "We cheated. We know we cheated. You know we cheated. The whole world knows we cheated but we're gonna parse words , play "semantics" and our 20 million dollar law team is gonna claim this is about determining academic rigor ( NOT in NCAA purview ) instead of what it's REALLY about...fraudulent classes in service of athletics ( which IS in the NCAA'S purview. ) Shameless...


UNC to NCAA: Don’t use Wainstein’s work to penalize us

Now, with UNC facing sanctions from the NCAA, the university wants the information provided by Julius Nyang’oro and Deborah Crowder excluded from an infractions hearing. Attorneys for UNC say those interviews conducted by Kenneth Wainstein and his team of lawyers didn’t follow NCAA standards. “

(T)he information considered by the hearing panel should be limited to materials in the record that comply with procedural requirements adopted by member institutions to protect the integrity of the NCAA’s investigative process,” attorneys Rick Evrard and Bob Kirchner wrote in their 70-page response to the NCAA’s notice of allegations.

That would mean an eight-month investigation that cost UNC $3.1 million would play a diminished role in the NCAA’s case. Wainstein’s investigation, which included the disclosure of hundreds of pages of revealing correspondence, is the most detailed investigation into the fake classes.


Worth remembering the next time unx uses the "The classes were available to all students" argument...


Half of the 3,100 students enrolled were athletes, who make up 4 percent of the student body. Athletes also represented a majority of the students who took several or more of the fake classes. Football and men’s basketball, which generate the revenue for the athletic department, had the largest presence in the classes by sport.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article94256562.html

 

[skysdad]

The biggest farce in college sports history. Forget scandal. It's a joke . OFC

 

[DevilDJ]

UNC Scandal Strategy: Delay, Obfuscate And Lawyer Up

But that’s what’s happening. At every stage in UNC’s epic scandal, the university has made it clear that the primary goal is not to deal with a massive fraud honestly and directly but rather to minimize damage to its athletic program? To protect the brand?

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com...candal-strategy-delay-obfuscate-and-lawyer-up

 

[KellenPatrick]

"Half of the 3,100 students enrolled were athletes, who make up 4 percent of the student body. Athletes also represented a majority of the students who took several or more of the fake classes. Football and men’s basketball, which generate the revenue for the athletic department, had the largest presence in the classes by sport."

Based on this alone makes what sky said so true, it is an absolute joke. Simply amazing.

 

[Anon1728003274]

Let's not forget Roy has 3 ACC Titles post-2009. And despite all the hype, K has no ACC Regular Season Championships in the last 6 years. #McGrathMath

The infamous CB RANT!!!! Yeah he dropped that little REACH bomb the day Bolden announced.....
#RoyKnew

OFC

 

[DevilDJ]

Wrong gunslingerdickiebaddour- we think YOU take it much "too seriously" coming over to our board to "poast." However you are entertaining.....

Very entertaining. He stalks a Duke fan on a Duke board but the Duke fan is the "wack-job?" Like he told another Duke fan earlier..."This heckling thing-you're doing it wrong." Lulz. Anyway...

Ed Hardin: UNC v NCAA is just getting started

If Carolina gets away with this...

Carolina and every college in the country could be free to enroll and educate any students they want to in any manner they want to without any interference at all from the NCAA. That’s at the core of the Carolina response.

Carolina is saying it has the right to clean up its own sordid mess. And it’s saying the NCAA has no right to investigate or rule on such cases, even schools caught red-handed offering fake classes designed solely to keep unqualified athletes eligible.

This has dragged on since 2010, since Carolina was caught trying to buy a national title in football...

The long process revealed a university in denial about how it had allowed athletics to become more important than academic integrity, falling so clumsily that the accrediting body for colleges and universities stepped in and put UNC-CH on probation

http://www.greensboro.com/gnr/ed-ha...5-ae1c-1a729f34d478.html#.V6kWRG-r39E.twitter


Honestly , if this were Duke caught cheating AND putting 20+ MILLION dollars into , as the article says , "getting away with it" , I'd seriously reconsider my fandom. It's bad enough to do it but making a legit effort to bare your soul , clean house , self-sanction then serve whatever penalties are handed down would go a long way towards showing some sorta contrition. It would be an ugly chapter but an opportunity to right wrongs. unx , obviously , has zero-dadgum-interest in ANY of that. Corrupt to the bone. Of course , I'm just the "wack-job" for posting about it so what do I know? lol "Shooting the messenger." #carolinaway

 

[DevilDJ]

North Carolina's tough D in infractions case another hint NCAA penalties may be soft

In his press conference, Cunningham also said, “Three individuals over a long period of time doesn’t constitute a lack of institutional control.”

Of course, it actually does. Three individuals over a short period of time might not. But the university allows these anomalous courses contined for "at least six years — past reports suggested a much longer time frame — and were not ceased until 2011. It’s difficult to imagine anyone could look at that and contend the institution had been properly controlled.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...es-ruling-decision/17azslgjswnls1dwrkox1fc0iv

 

[skysdad]

May we never , ever forget. OFC