UNL has now gone through Frank Solich, Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini, Mike Riley, Scott Frost and....

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

....now want Matt Ruhle fired. This is what many of the bozos on this board are calling for PSU (similarly long list for USC since Pete Carroll.... Free shoes since Jimbo Fischer...... Florida since Urban Meyer......... Miami.......... etc., etc., etc.....).

PSU would be stupid to not at least try Terry Smith - they can always go the other way and blow hundreds of millions of dollars with no better results whenever they want.

People are also ignoring big indications that Smith is likely headed to VaTech with the players if PSU hires outside the program.

 

[psuslu]

....now want Matt Ruhle fired. This is what many of the bozos on this board are calling for PSU (similarly long list for USC since Pete Carroll.... Free shoes since Jimbo Fischer...... Florida since Urban Meyer......... Miami.......... etc., etc., etc.....).

PSU would be stupid to not at least try Terry Smith - they can always go the other way and blow hundreds of millions of dollars with no better results whenever they want.

People are also ignoring big indications that Smith is likely headed to VaTech with the players if PSU hires outside the program.

One thing that worries me is all the de commits. The other coaching changes so far have lost very little and Terry is said to be a great recruiter yet has not been able to stem the loss of any recruits so far. Coach Smith has been a great representative of PSU for a long time and while his taking over would not upset me at all, it is time for a change and would like someone with head coaching experience.

 

[Nitt1300]

Terry appears to be a great guy. But he has never been a college HC or even a coordinator. Giving him the keys is risky, but may wind up being the only option.

 

[MrTailgate]

Mr Marshmallow in the white puff jacket has a tough decision. I don’t think that he ever considered that Terry would present so formidably. He should have been advised up front to not under estimate Terry.

Not that I have much confidence in Mr Marshmallow but now he has the inevitable and serious blowback that will come along by not hiring Terry if that is the path he chooses.

If he doesn’t hit the home run, then many will regret not hiring the guy who was here and was right under your nose.

Im hoping Mr Marshmallow doesn’t melt.

 

[Bvillebaron]

....now want Matt Ruhle fired. This is what many of the bozos on this board are calling for PSU (similarly long list for USC since Pete Carroll.... Free shoes since Jimbo Fischer...... Florida since Urban Meyer......... Miami.......... etc., etc., etc.....).

PSU would be stupid to not at least try Terry Smith - they can always go the other way and blow hundreds of millions of dollars with no better results whenever they want.

People are also ignoring big indications that Smith is likely headed to VaTech with the players if PSU hires outside the program.

When did Terry tell you that?

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

One thing that worries me is all the de commits. The other coaching changes so far have lost very little and Terry is said to be a great recruiter yet has not been able to stem the loss of any recruits so far. Coach Smith has been a great representative of PSU for a long time and while his taking over would not upset me at all, it is time for a change and would like someone with head coaching experience.

 

[PSU8990]

Terry appears to be a great guy. But he has never been a college HC or even a coordinator. Giving him the keys is risky, but may wind up being the only option.

Andy Reid was never a coordinator or head coach before he became the Eagles head coach in 1999. How did that turn out?

 

[KingLando]

Terry appears to be a great guy. But he has never been a college HC or even a coordinator. Giving him the keys is risky, but may wind up being the only option.

There's 100s of other options...literally 100s

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

One thing that worries me is all the de commits. The other coaching changes so far have lost very little and Terry is said to be a great recruiter yet has not been able to stem the loss of any recruits so far. Coach Smith has been a great representative of PSU for a long time and while his taking over would not upset me at all, it is time for a change and would like someone with head coaching experience.

Huh? What? Terry has not been named the new HC - he is not authorized to attempt to retain 2026 Recruits (which very likely also includes NIL payments). What are you talking about that he has retained any of the 2026 Class - he is not allowed to act on PSU's behalf regarding the 2026 Recruits (regardless of whether they are HS Recruits or potential Portal X-fers) unless, and until, Krafty The Clown names him PSU's new HC and gives him a contract.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Terry appears to be a great guy. But he has never been a college HC or even a coordinator. Giving him the keys is risky, but may wind up being the only option.

Brent Key, Ryan Day, Sherrone Moore and many other top assistants made HC after the prior HC is gone had ZERO Collegiate Head Coaching experience at any level prior to being named HC of their current programs - again ZERO COLLEGIATE HC EXPERIENCE at any level prior to being named the HC of their respective P4 Programs.

 

[Nitt1300]

Brent Key, Ryan Day, Sherrone Moore and many other top assistants made HC after the prior HC is gone had ZERO Collegiate Head Coaching experience at any level prior to being named HC of their current programs - again ZERO COLLEGIATE HC EXPERIENCE at any level prior to being named the HC of their respective P4 Programs.

But all had been coordinators. You don't make the junior weapons officer the Captain of the ship.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Mr Marshmallow in the white puff jacket has a tough decision. I don’t think that he ever considered that Terry would present so formidably. He should have been advised up front to not under estimate Terry.

Not that I have much confidence in Mr Marshmallow but now he has the inevitable and serious blowback that will come along by not hiring Terry if that is the path he chooses.

If he doesn’t hit the home run, then many will regret not hiring the guy who was here and was right under your nose.

Im hoping Mr Marshmallow doesn’t melt.

He faces more than that - Terry has already come out and stated publicly that he will be doing what he loves next year, Coaching CFB, whether it is PSU or somewhere else. He explicitly stated that he will be on the sideline coaching CFB next year at PSU or somewhere else. Anyone with half a brain can figure out the most likely implications of what this means - if Terry is not the HC of PSU next year, he and his players will likely be in Blacksburg, VA next year (Franklin hired Terry Smith if to PSU!).

Krafty The Clown has painted himself into a corner - PSU's roster is going to be utterly obliterated if Krafty brings in a new $12 million dollar man. The new guy will be making a crapload of $$$ with a long-term guarantee that anchors PSU to them with no 2026 roster..... yeah, that should just work out wonderful for PSU.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

But all had been coordinators. You don't make the junior weapons officer the Captain of the ship.

Move the goalposts much? The OP's big knock on Smith was that he'd never been a Collegiate Coach at any level before. In addition, Smith has been a HC as he is the current INTERIM HEAD COACH and has a 5 game trackrecord as a HC - the team has really responded since he became HC and is playing better-&-better week-over-week..... most on here claimed that Smith had no shot of taking PSU to a post-season bowl.... now their busy demeaning his blowout of a team that came in 7-3 which is going to make a post-season bowl game a real possibility if not a probable outcome.

 

[Nitt1300]

Move the goalposts much? The OP's big knock on Smith was that he'd never been a Collegiate Coach at any level before. In addition, Smith has been a HC as he is the current INTERIM HEAD COACH and has a 5 game trackrecord as a HC - the team has really responded since he became HC and is playing better-&-better week-over-week..... most on here claimed that Smith had no shot of taking PSU to a post-season bowl.... now their busy demeaning his blowout of a team that came in 7-3 which is going to make a post-season bowl game a real possibility if not a probable outcome.

I'm not arguing the OP's position.

I'm not even saying not to consider Smith.

I'm simply saying that it's a high-risk move and that pretending that it's not is a mistake.

 

[psuslu]

Huh? What? Terry has not been named the new HC - he is not authorized to attempt to retain 2026 Recruits (which very likely also includes NIL payments). What are you talking about that he has retained any of the 2026 Class - he is not allowed to act on PSU's behalf regarding the 2026 Recruits (regardless of whether they are HS Recruits or potential Portal X-fers) unless, and until, Krafty The Clown names him PSU's new HC and gives him a contract.

ohh. you mean like all the other teams and the changes made and they are not losing recruits. Of course he has "say". I am not blaming him for the loss of recruits; however, he has done nothing to stop them from leaving. Now I get it only all the other interim coaches have say just no Coach Terry.

 

[psuslu]

ohh. you mean like all the other teams and the changes made and they are not losing recruits. Of course he has "say". I am not blaming him for the loss of recruits; however, he has done nothing to stop them from leaving. Now I get it only all the other interim coaches have say just no Coach Terry.

not to mention he recruited most of these players.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

I'm not arguing the OP's position.

I'm not even saying not to consider Smith.

I'm simply saying that it's a high-risk move and that pretending that it's not is a mistake.

It's not a risk relative to the alternative -- that's utter nonsense. How is Terry Smith a bigger risk than hiring someone for 4X the compensation and entering into a massive guarantee that will make it difficult to walk away from the decision 2 years from now. Terry Smith's optionality is 100% to the upside. If he doesn't work out over the 2026 and 2027, you can do a lot more planning & due diligence as to who you want in terms of short-listing and how you want to handle the transition after 2027 season. There are no strings-attached with Smith. If you change regimes right now, the new guy is not going to have a team to coach - and if you really believe he can do better than Smith over the next 2 years given the massive hurdles he's going to face you're nuts. There's no guarantee he's ever going to be able to recruit anyone to PSU (regardless of whether its HS or the Portal) if he's multiple years into his tenure and posting losing records. You aren't watching closely or paying attention if you don't see what happens to name coaches that go to blue-blood programs on turn-around projects..... their careers end and the blue-blood program continues to post bad records and ruin more up-&-coming coaches careers (take a look at UNL, FSU, Miami, etc., etc., etc.....). There is no downside to making Terry Smith HC relative to bringing in someone with a long-terms guaranteed contract at $10 - $12 million/year. You're utterly out of you mind (and know nothing about risk-reward management) if you really believe that bringing in a new coach with no 2026 roster and guaranteeing them $10 mil a year for 10 years is the "low risk" route to go - just laughable ********. You must have gone to the Krafty The Clown school of business decisions and management.

 

[Nitt1300]

It's not a risk relative to the alternative -- that's utter nonsense. How is Terry Smith a bigger risk than hiring someone for 4X the compensation and entering into a massive guarantee that will make it difficult to walk away from the decision 2 years from now. Terry Smith's optionality is 100% to the upside. If he doesn't work out over the 2026 and 2027, you can do a lot more planning & due diligence as to who you want in terms of short-listing and how you want to handle the transition after 2027 season. There are no strings-attached with Smith. If you change regimes right now, the new guy is not going to have a team to coach - and if you really believe he can do better than Smith over the next 2 years given the massive hurdles he's going to face you're nuts. There's no guarantee he's ever going to be able to recruit anyone to PSU (regardless of whether its HS or the Portal) if he's multiple years into his tenure and posting losing records. You aren't watching closely or paying attention if you don't see what happens to name coaches that go to blue-blood programs on turn-around projects..... their careers end and the blue-blood program continues to post bad records and ruin more up-&-coming coaches careers (take a look at UNL, FSU, Miami, etc., etc., etc.....). There is no downside to making Terry Smith HC relative to bringing in someone with a long-terms guaranteed contract at $10 - $12 million/year. You're utterly out of you mind (and know nothing about risk-reward management) if you really believe that bringing in a new coach with no 2026 roster and guaranteeing them $10 mil a year for 10 years is the "low risk" route to go - just laughable ********. You must have gone to the Krafty The Clown school of business decisions and management.

You simply aren't listening, and I'm done talking with you about this.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I’m learning today that we only have two options…

Hire Terry Smith

or

Hire another coach for $10 million a year over 10 years, and potentially not even field a team next year since he has no way to fill a roster

No middle ground at all.

 

[razpsu]

You know I heard about an internal promote in the 60’s with no head coaching experience.

he did pretty well.

409

 

[PSU87]

You simply aren't listening, and I'm done talking with you about this.

Your problem is you're arguing with someone that won't take yes or no for an answer.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

You know I heard about an internal promote in the 60’s with no head coaching experience.

he did pretty well.

409

Brent Key, Ryan Day and Sherrone Moore among many others have done pretty well promoted from within with ZERO collegiate head coaching experience AT ANY LEVEL! And Terry Smith does have "coordinator" level seniority as he had been the Associate Head Coach (i.e., Head Coach in waiting) at PSU since Franklin promoted him to the position in 2016!

 

[PSUSignore]

He faces more than that - Terry has already come out and stated publicly that he will be doing what he loves next year, Coaching CFB, whether it is PSU or somewhere else. He explicitly stated that he will be on the sideline coaching CFB next year at PSU or somewhere else. Anyone with half a brain can figure out the most likely implications of what this means - if Terry is not the HC of PSU next year, he and his players will likely be in Blacksburg, VA next year (Franklin hired Terry Smith if to PSU!).

Krafty The Clown has painted himself into a corner - PSU's roster is going to be utterly obliterated if Krafty brings in a new $12 million dollar man. The new guy will be making a crapload of $$$ with a long-term guarantee that anchors PSU to them with no 2026 roster..... yeah, that should just work out wonderful for PSU.

You're just making things up at this point. Terry had emphatically stated that he wants to be at PSU going forward and hasn't implied he's leaving if he doesn't get the head coach job.

 

[PSUSignore]

It's not a risk relative to the alternative -- that's utter nonsense. How is Terry Smith a bigger risk than hiring someone for 4X the compensation and entering into a massive guarantee that will make it difficult to walk away from the decision 2 years from now. Terry Smith's optionality is 100% to the upside. If he doesn't work out over the 2026 and 2027, you can do a lot more planning & due diligence as to who you want in terms of short-listing and how you want to handle the transition after 2027 season. There are no strings-attached with Smith. If you change regimes right now, the new guy is not going to have a team to coach - and if you really believe he can do better than Smith over the next 2 years given the massive hurdles he's going to face you're nuts. There's no guarantee he's ever going to be able to recruit anyone to PSU (regardless of whether its HS or the Portal) if he's multiple years into his tenure and posting losing records. You aren't watching closely or paying attention if you don't see what happens to name coaches that go to blue-blood programs on turn-around projects..... their careers end and the blue-blood program continues to post bad records and ruin more up-&-coming coaches careers (take a look at UNL, FSU, Miami, etc., etc., etc.....). There is no downside to making Terry Smith HC relative to bringing in someone with a long-terms guaranteed contract at $10 - $12 million/year. You're utterly out of you mind (and know nothing about risk-reward management) if you really believe that bringing in a new coach with no 2026 roster and guaranteeing them $10 mil a year for 10 years is the "low risk" route to go - just laughable ********. You must have gone to the Krafty The Clown school of business decisions and management.

Why do you think we'd have an easier time hiring an existing coach in 26 or 27? We'd have the exact same issue that we have this year, having to wait until the season is over before another coach will leave their current job. Waiting doesn't buy you anything, unless there's a specific guy you know you want that isn't going to be available this year and you know for certain you'll have a shot to get him in a future year.

Your repeated comments about pay show that you are stuck in the past. The "do more with less" era of CFB is over. Stop looking for a coach that you think can win a championship on a budget and start thinking about figuring out how to secure enough funding to hire the best guy available while still being a good fit for your program. Even if you found that unicorn guy on a budget what do you think happens once he wins? He either gets a raise to make 13M a year, or he leaves for another program that pays him 13M a year. There's no point in delaying the inevitable, just go hire the guy that is right for the job.

 

[PSU87]

I appreciate you pointing this out. The Nebraska coaching carousel has only been invoked 1232 times as to why we should not fire Franklin.

I missed the first 1231, so appreciate the update.

 

[BostonNit]

You know I heard about an internal promote in the 60’s with no head coaching experience.

he did pretty well.

409

He also had no NIL experience.

 

[DaytonRickster]

....now want Matt Ruhle fired. This is what many of the bozos on this board are calling for PSU (similarly long list for USC since Pete Carroll.... Free shoes since Jimbo Fischer...... Florida since Urban Meyer......... Miami.......... etc., etc., etc.....).

PSU would be stupid to not at least try Terry Smith - they can always go the other way and blow hundreds of millions of dollars with no better results whenever they want.

People are also ignoring big indications that Smith is likely headed to VaTech with the players if PSU hires outside the program.

My #1 choice remains Chesney
If he says no then chase no one else and give Terry a 3 yr contract

Terry Smith is a bigger gamble than Chesney.

 

[DaytonRickster]

Huh? What? Terry has not been named the new HC - he is not authorized to attempt to retain 2026 Recruits (which very likely also includes NIL payments). What are you talking about that he has retained any of the 2026 Class - he is not allowed to act on PSU's behalf regarding the 2026 Recruits (regardless of whether they are HS Recruits or potential Portal X-fers) unless, and until, Krafty The Clown names him PSU's new HC and gives him a contract.

The concern voiced is PSU has 19 decommits and the other teams many less. Why? Each of these teams have the same uncertainty (except VT now), interim coach and no new coach named.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

You're just making things up at this point. Terry had emphatically stated that he wants to be at PSU going forward and hasn't implied he's leaving if he doesn't get the head coach job.

Not making stuff up - Terry Smith absolutely said in his PC that he will be coaching football on the sideline next year even if not at PSU because it is what he loves to do, and wants to do (i.e., be a "leader of men" is how he put it). He also said, "This is my locker room" - quote unquote. Anyone with a couple functioning brain cells can figure out the implications of these statements should PSU decide to go outside PSU.

For those saying that PSU should hire a new $10 million a year coach and force them to take Terry Smith as his top assistant are out of your minds - this is about the worst thing PSU could do to a new coach and I doubt Terry Smith would go for that bs either.

 

[DaytonRickster]

He faces more than that - Terry has already come out and stated publicly that he will be doing what he loves next year, Coaching CFB, whether it is PSU or somewhere else. He explicitly stated that he will be on the sideline coaching CFB next year at PSU or somewhere else. Anyone with half a brain can figure out the most likely implications of what this means - if Terry is not the HC of PSU next year, he and his players will likely be in Blacksburg, VA next year (Franklin hired Terry Smith if to PSU!).

Krafty The Clown has painted himself into a corner - PSU's roster is going to be utterly obliterated if Krafty brings in a new $12 million dollar man. The new guy will be making a crapload of $$$ with a long-term guarantee that anchors PSU to them with no 2026 roster..... yeah, that should just work out wonderful for PSU.

Perhaps Kraft is asking the next HC to retain Terry Smith in a position of importance to the PSU football team (GM)?

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

I appreciate you pointing this out. The Nebraska coaching carousel has only been invoked 1232 times as to why we should not fire Franklin.

I missed the first 1231, so appreciate the update.

What about the FSU, USC, Miami, LSU, Florida..... etc., etc. etc.... carousels? Do they count as good reference points

 

[razpsu]

He also had no NIL experience.

Neither does anyone else.

 

[razpsu]

Not making stuff up - Terry Smith absolutely said in his PC that he will be coaching football on the sideline next year even if not at PSU because it is what he loves to do, and wants to do (i.e., be a "leader of men" is how he put it). He also said, "This is my locker room" - quote unquote. Anyone with a couple functioning brain cells can figure out the implications of these statements should PSU decide to go outside PSU.

For those saying that PSU should hire a new $10 million a year coach and force them to take Terry Smith as his top assistant are out of your minds - this is about the worst thing PSU could do to a new coach and I doubt Terry Smith would go for that bs either.

I thought that statement of locker room was a slight to Franklin. Same with 409 pin, just sayin. Can’t see him ever going to va tech

 

[DaytonRickster]

not to mention he recruited most of these players.

He was involved with their recruitment, some more closely than others.

 

[DaytonRickster]

It's not a risk relative to the alternative -- that's utter nonsense. How is Terry Smith a bigger risk than hiring someone for 4X the compensation and entering into a massive guarantee that will make it difficult to walk away from the decision 2 years from now. Terry Smith's optionality is 100% to the upside. If he doesn't work out over the 2026 and 2027, you can do a lot more planning & due diligence as to who you want in terms of short-listing and how you want to handle the transition after 2027 season. There are no strings-attached with Smith. If you change regimes right now, the new guy is not going to have a team to coach - and if you really believe he can do better than Smith over the next 2 years given the massive hurdles he's going to face you're nuts. There's no guarantee he's ever going to be able to recruit anyone to PSU (regardless of whether its HS or the Portal) if he's multiple years into his tenure and posting losing records. You aren't watching closely or paying attention if you don't see what happens to name coaches that go to blue-blood programs on turn-around projects..... their careers end and the blue-blood program continues to post bad records and ruin more up-&-coming coaches careers (take a look at UNL, FSU, Miami, etc., etc., etc.....). There is no downside to making Terry Smith HC relative to bringing in someone with a long-terms guaranteed contract at $10 - $12 million/year. You're utterly out of you mind (and know nothing about risk-reward management) if you really believe that bringing in a new coach with no 2026 roster and guaranteeing them $10 mil a year for 10 years is the "low risk" route to go - just laughable ********. You must have gone to the Krafty The Clown school of business decisions and management.

So has Chesney asked for $10-12 million and a long term contract? Are you on the interviewing team?

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

So has Chesney asked for $10-12 million and a long term contract? Are you on the interviewing team?

Well, given that UCLA has already publicly stated that he is their #1 Choice ad they're just waiting for him to make his decision - yeah, I'd say we'd probably have to make a market offer to be in the running for his services.

 

[PSUSignore]

Not making stuff up - Terry Smith absolutely said in his PC that he will be coaching football on the sideline next year even if not at PSU because it is what he loves to do, and wants to do (i.e., be a "leader of men" is how he put it). He also said, "This is my locker room" - quote unquote. Anyone with a couple functioning brain cells can figure out the implications of these statements should PSU decide to go outside PSU.

For those saying that PSU should hire a new $10 million a year coach and force them to take Terry Smith as his top assistant are out of your minds - this is about the worst thing PSU could do to a new coach and I doubt Terry Smith would go for that bs either.

In what PC? Show your work.

 

[PSUSignore]

Well, given that UCLA has already publicly stated that he is their #1 Choice ad they're just waiting for him to make his decision - yeah, I'd say we'd probably have to make a market offer to be in the running for his services.

The market rate for Chesney isn't 10-12M though. Maybe he'd get half of that, even that might be high for someone with his experience and level of demand.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

In what PC? Show your work.

I don't have to show anything to you - he said it genius and it doesn't matter whether you want to believe it, or not. Absolutely stated unequivocally that he was focused on the here and now which is beating Rutgers and qualifying for a bowl.... and that he would be coaching football on the sidelines next year whether he is named the PSU HC, or not, because it is what he loves and what he wants to do with his life...... "be a leader of young men".

 

[Erial_Lion]

Well, given that UCLA has already publicly stated that he is their #1 Choice ad they're just waiting for him to make his decision - yeah, I'd say we'd probably have to make a market offer to be in the running for his services.

UCLA "publicly stated" it? Link?