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8085sooner

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I think a lot of LB, DB's and safeties don't believe their position coach will be here next year. With the coaching carousel, this year. I'm not sure who all is left for Riley to poach.

Bob stepped down, when recruits started wondering about his retirement. Why couldn't Mike Stoops had been as honorable as his brother?


Herman seriously out recruited Riley in the state of Texas#1,2,3,4,6,8 and #9 player. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come. Clemson with a small but star studied, UGA riding the playoff and Bama coming on strong. All the playoff teams cleaned up but OU. We need to flip some guys that didn't sign.
We did well last year defensively but we are pencil thin at LB and safeties and Herman cleaned house with Safeties
 
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At the risk of being accused of "sleeping with the enemy" with an objective view:
Texas is doing something new in its recruiting and that is signing highly regarded quarterbacks under Herman's new regime.
Cameron Rising from California was flipped from OU and Casey Thompson (son of Charlie Thompson) was signed to join Ehlinger and Buechele.
I think Ehlinger is a very good player....as good a QB as Texas has had since Colt McCoy. Now he needs a supporting cast.
Herman also has to change the culture of mediocrity in Austin which won't happen right away, but I think he has the program going in the right direction. Getting high level quarterbacks is a big piece to the puzzle.
It is my hope that whatever direction Texas goes, that OU can win the majority of its RRR games. I dislike Texas and have since 1958 when I saw OU lose 15-14 on a two point conversion early in the game. I don't like UT fans or the burnt orange color which looks like the color of a baby's first diaper load.
 
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With all the talk of OU's lack of linebackers....one so far in the 2018 class...I noticed that Oklahoma State has only one as well.
Then I noticed that Alabama has one, Georgia has one, Miami has none....and these three teams are ranked in the top ten recruiting classes.
Ohio State and Penn State have three each.
 
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There is one underlying truth to the "new" Texas football program. The university and the athletic department has sold out to big donors. The power brokers such as McCombs have far too much leverage in the program. We have seen, firsthand, the instability that can result when the money men are not satisfied with the direction the program is going. Texas football is in that unfavorable position of high expectations and instant results. If not then the ground starts moving. I hope McCombs lives forever and keeps things off-balance and unstable. Chaos for Christmas in Austin.
 
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CTOkie said:
At the risk of being accused of "sleeping with the enemy" with an objective view:
Texas is doing something new in its recruiting and that is signing highly regarded quarterbacks under Herman's new regime.
Cameron Rising from California was flipped from OU and Casey Thompson (son of Charlie Thompson) was signed to join Ehlinger and Buechele.
I think Ehlinger is a very good player....as good a QB as Texas has had since Colt McCoy. Now he needs a supporting cast.
Herman also has to change the culture of mediocrity in Austin which won't happen right away, but I think he has the program going in the right direction. Getting high level quarterbacks is a big piece to the puzzle.
It is my hope that whatever direction Texas goes, that OU can win the majority of its RRR games. I dislike Texas and have since 1958 when I saw OU lose 15-14 on a two point conversion early in the game. I don't like UT fans or the burnt orange color which looks like the color of a baby's first diaper load.
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I would add that he has to change the culture of entitlement. Changing that culture will likely change the types of signees. Over time it would be successful. But, as others have intimated, the Big Cigars may not allow him that time.
 
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humblesooner said:
I would add that he has to change the culture of entitlement. Changing that culture will likely change the types of signees. Over time it would be successful. But, as others have intimated, the Big Cigars may not allow him that time.
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Every successful program like OU, Alabama, Ohio State....and even those programs who have had storied histories but currently find themselves in a rut (like Texas, LSU, Tennessee, Florida)....have a sense of entitlement. Entitlement is spawned from historical greatness.
In Herman's case at Texas, he has to work through it because it won't go away. It comes with the territory.
 
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CTOkie said:
With all the talk of OU's lack of linebackers....one so far in the 2018 class...I noticed that Oklahoma State has only one as well.
Then I noticed that Alabama has one, Georgia has one, Miami has none....and these three teams are ranked in the top ten recruiting classes.
Ohio State and Penn State have three each.
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Is Jalen Redmond going to be a DE or a LB?
 
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The UT class is overrated. At the very last 2 of their 3 O-line recruits got an
extra * added to their ratings but it still doesn't get them out of a big hole they
have in their Offensive line. They've overloaded on skill position players at
WR and DB. But it still doesn't change the fact that they didn't fill their needs.
Where's the game breaking RB another big time need that didn't get covered.
 
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Everyone is griping about linebackers. How many linebackers do we need? I count one senior among the linebacker roster and two seniors among the DE/LBs. That leaves 13 total coming back, plus whoever joins this year.

14 Emmanuel Beal LB 6-0 218 Sr. Columbus, Ohio (Lackawanna College) (Everest HS)
18 Curtis Bolton LB 6-1 220 RJr. Murrieta, Calif. (Vista Murrieta HS)
22 Ricky DeBerry LB 6-1 235 RSo. Mechanicsville, Va. (Atlee HS)
49 Travis DeGrate LB 6-3 240 Fr. Warr Acres, Okla. (East Central University) (Putnam City High School)
6 Levi Draper LB 6-2 222 Fr. Collinsville, Okla. (Collinsville HS)
19 Caleb Kelly LB 6-3 229 So. Fresno, Calif. (Clovis West HS)
38 Bryan Mead LB 6-1 233 RFr. Owasso, Okla. (Rejoice Christian HS)
9 Kenneth Murray LB 6-2 242 Fr. Missouri City, Texas (Elkins HS)
36 Josh Schenck LB 5-11 200 RFr. Knightdale, N.C. (Knightdale HS)
40 Jon-Michael Terry LB 6-2 240 RFr. Tulsa, Okla. (Victory Christian School)
52 Beau Trousdale LB 6-1 215 Fr. Edmond, Okla. (Deer Creek HS)


87 D.J. Ward DE 6-2 260 RSr. Moore, Okla. (Southmoore HS)
16 K'Jakyre Daley DE/LB 6-2 218 Fr. Riviera Beach, Fla. (Suncoast HS)
15 Addison Gumbs DE/LB 6-3 230 Fr. Hayward, Calif. (Stellar Preparatory HS)
42 Mark Jackson, Jr. DE/LB 6-1 235 So. Cibolo, Texas (Byron P. Steele HS)
31 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo DE/LB 6-1 240 RSr. Houston, Texas (Alief Taylor HS)
 
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veritas59 said:
Everyone is griping about linebackers. How many linebackers do we need? I count one senior among the linebacker roster and two seniors among the DE/LBs. That leaves 13 total coming back, plus whoever joins this year.

14 Emmanuel Beal LB 6-0 218 Sr. Columbus, Ohio (Lackawanna College) (Everest HS)
18 Curtis Bolton LB 6-1 220 RJr. Murrieta, Calif. (Vista Murrieta HS)
22 Ricky DeBerry LB 6-1 235 RSo. Mechanicsville, Va. (Atlee HS)
49 Travis DeGrate LB 6-3 240 Fr. Warr Acres, Okla. (East Central University) (Putnam City High School)
6 Levi Draper LB 6-2 222 Fr. Collinsville, Okla. (Collinsville HS)
19 Caleb Kelly LB 6-3 229 So. Fresno, Calif. (Clovis West HS)
38 Bryan Mead LB 6-1 233 RFr. Owasso, Okla. (Rejoice Christian HS)
9 Kenneth Murray LB 6-2 242 Fr. Missouri City, Texas (Elkins HS)
36 Josh Schenck LB 5-11 200 RFr. Knightdale, N.C. (Knightdale HS)
40 Jon-Michael Terry LB 6-2 240 RFr. Tulsa, Okla. (Victory Christian School)
52 Beau Trousdale LB 6-1 215 Fr. Edmond, Okla. (Deer Creek HS)


87 D.J. Ward DE 6-2 260 RSr. Moore, Okla. (Southmoore HS)
16 K'Jakyre Daley DE/LB 6-2 218 Fr. Riviera Beach, Fla. (Suncoast HS)
15 Addison Gumbs DE/LB 6-3 230 Fr. Hayward, Calif. (Stellar Preparatory HS)
42 Mark Jackson, Jr. DE/LB 6-1 235 So. Cibolo, Texas (Byron P. Steele HS)
31 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo DE/LB 6-1 240 RSr. Houston, Texas (Alief Taylor HS)
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Good 'Linebacker List'...and a Surprising One, V...I prefer Quality, over Quantity, and it looks as though some of those may surely be able to step up...
 
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veritas59 said:
Everyone is griping about linebackers. How many linebackers do we need? I count one senior among the linebacker roster and two seniors among the DE/LBs. That leaves 13 total coming back, plus whoever joins this year.

14 Emmanuel Beal LB 6-0 218 Sr. Columbus, Ohio (Lackawanna College) (Everest HS)
18 Curtis Bolton LB 6-1 220 RJr. Murrieta, Calif. (Vista Murrieta HS)
22 Ricky DeBerry LB 6-1 235 RSo. Mechanicsville, Va. (Atlee HS)
49 Travis DeGrate LB 6-3 240 Fr. Warr Acres, Okla. (East Central University) (Putnam City High School)
6 Levi Draper LB 6-2 222 Fr. Collinsville, Okla. (Collinsville HS)
19 Caleb Kelly LB 6-3 229 So. Fresno, Calif. (Clovis West HS)
38 Bryan Mead LB 6-1 233 RFr. Owasso, Okla. (Rejoice Christian HS)
9 Kenneth Murray LB 6-2 242 Fr. Missouri City, Texas (Elkins HS)
36 Josh Schenck LB 5-11 200 RFr. Knightdale, N.C. (Knightdale HS)
40 Jon-Michael Terry LB 6-2 240 RFr. Tulsa, Okla. (Victory Christian School)
52 Beau Trousdale LB 6-1 215 Fr. Edmond, Okla. (Deer Creek HS)


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DeBerry moved to FB
Bolton not bad
DeGrate raw
Draper might be a stud but injured, could have seen a lot of playtime this year as a true freshman
Mead ??
Murray, could end up great
Schenk, small, maybe a safety but doesn't have the speed or hips
Terry, the game is still to fast
Trousdale another safety trying to play LB. Not fast enough and doesn't cover.

Draper, Murray and Kelley are the only ones ready to play D1. One injury and we are in trouble. Bolton can sub but the drop off is noticeable.
 
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8085sooner said:
DeBerry moved to FB
Bolton not bad
DeGrate raw
Draper might be a stud but injured, could have seen a lot of playtime this year as a true freshman
Mead ??
Murray, could end up great
Schenk, small, maybe a safety but doesn't have the speed or hips
Terry, the game is still to fast
Trousdale another safety trying to play LB. Not fast enough and doesn't cover.

Draper, Murray and Kelley are the only ones ready to play D1. One injury and we are in trouble. Bolton can sub but the drop off is noticeable.
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There are still the JuCo ranks available.

Solomon Tuliaupupu #3 ILB
Merlin Robertson #10 OLB
 
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Jeremiahxyz said:
The UT class is overrated. At the very last 2 of their 3 O-line recruits got an
extra * added to their ratings but it still doesn't get them out of a big hole they
have in their Offensive line. They've overloaded on skill position players at
WR and DB. But it still doesn't change the fact that they didn't fill their needs.
Where's the game breaking RB another big time need that didn't get covered.
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No doubt you should contact Scout, Rivals and ESPN and set them straight on Texas being ranked 3rd in recruiting and signing the top 5 and 7 of the top 12 recruits in Texas. And Keaontay Ingram, the top back in Texas, is a Horn commitment.
Unlike Stoops in 1999, who inherited a strong group of hungry, motivated and talented players who still clung to the idea of what it meant to be a Sooner, Herman has a lot of damage control ahead in erasing the so-called culture of enlightenment at Texas.....a problem Stoops did not have his first year.

So we have 13 linebackers and of that number only 3 are proven commodities (Kelly, Murray and Bolton....if he's healed) and so far there's only one newcomer in the 2018 class in Asamoah. While Draper (if healthy) and Gumbs (who's listed now as a LB/DE) are likely to be good players, one more in the 2018 class would really be big.
 
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CTOkie said:
No doubt you should contact Scout, Rivals and ESPN and set them straight on Texas being ranked 3rd in recruiting and signing the top 5 and 7 of the top 12 recruits in Texas. And Keaontay Ingram, the top back in Texas, is a Horn commitment.
Unlike Stoops in 1999, who inherited a strong group of hungry, motivated and talented players who still clung to the idea of what it meant to be a Sooner, Herman has a lot of damage control ahead in erasing the so-called culture of enlightenment at Texas.....a problem Stoops did not have his first year.

So we have 13 linebackers and of that number only 3 are proven commodities (Kelly, Murray and Bolton....if he's healed) and so far there's only one newcomer in the 2018 class in Asamoah. While Draper (if healthy) and Gumbs (who's listed now as a LB/DE) are likely to be good players, one more in the 2018 class would really be big.
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I agree one more good one would be nice. Just think the cupboard isn't as bare as some think. And it's too early to give up on JM Terry, IMO. He was a 4* coming in, as was Gumbs. I read the DE/LB as a standup OLB.

As we all know, any newcomer is an unproven commodity... well, almost any.
 
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One other thing to remember for those of you giving up on some of the young pups; sometimes it takes a while for the light to come on. Obo is a perfect example. I've heard many coaches make the comment that the biggest improvements are generally seen between the first and 2nd year, and we've got a few of those in that position.
 
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Saw Redmond play against Lawton and was the best player I've seen this year. Whether that translates to the college level remains to be seen. OTOH Tatum's impact in his game against the Wolverines was unremarkable so I certainly hope he shows more at the next level than was displayed in that one particular HS game.
 
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HS guys have their bad games so I would not worry about Tatum. If he had bad trends, he would not have earned the offer. Hope we can land a few more defensive players by the traditional final signing day.
 
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They needed 3 Keaontay Ingrams not just one and it's not like he's a top 10 RB,
and he ain't. UT doesn't have one RB that could rate a scholarship to OU.
 
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It's become cool again to be Horn player. Herman has turned the image around and is gathering the players. It's my thoughts that negativie recruiting has taken place in that some have been told that Stoops is on his way out. I think it's worked. I also think it's most likely true.

Riley's strength is offense and as a result he's gathering some top flight recruits. He's going to have to hire a big name DC to flip the switch of future recruits. OU has become an offensive power. If he doesn't do this, it will catch up to him & the program.
 
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